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meissen 04-28-2005 02:56 PM

Camaro pushed back to 2009?
 
http://www.autofieldguide.com/articles/0405exc06.html


The dust is beginning to settle from recent events at GM: cancellation of the Zeta rear-drive architecture, restatement of the company’s profit outlook, and Bob Lutz’s comments before Morgan Stanley’s Global Automotive Conference regarding the potential elimination of the Buick and Pontiac brands. Though profits are still scarce and Buick and Pontiac have been given a reprieve, many of the Zeta vehicles have been shifted to derivatives of either Cadillac’s Sigma architecture or a revised version of the Holden VT platform. However, those vehicles won’t break cover before 2009. Zeta cars and trucks were scheduled to appear starting in late 2006.

Altering the designs for their new homes is only part of the reason for the delay. GM has publicly stated resources dedicated to Zeta are being redirected to GM’s full-size truck program (GMT900) in an attempt to bring production forward six months. Insiders, however, claim this program will move forward only about nine weeks, and that the real benefit will be gained by mid-size SUVs like the Trailblazer and Envoy. “We’ll push them forward at least six months,” says a product development insider, “which will help cut our incentive exposure and slow their sales slide.” According to another GM insider, Ford’s revised 2006 Explorer is expected to exacerbate the sales erosion begun by the latest editions of the Dodge Durango, Nissan Pathfinder and Toyota 4Runner. “We can’t afford to keep increasing the money on the hood to move them,” he says. “We need fresh products with fewer incentives.”

If gasoline prices fail to decline, or rise even more, the wisdom of this move may be questioned, especially when the Zeta program included crossovers – vehicles more in line with consumers in times of high energy prices – for most of GM’s divisions. To help cut development time, GM will split the what were to be Zeta-based vehicles into two camps. Buick’s and Pontiac’s more expensive entries will use a decontented version of Cadillac’s Sigma platform known internally as “Sigma lite.” Less expensixe others that would have been Zetas (not all of the planned 15 Zeta vehicles will live) will be shuffled to a revised version of Holden’s VT platform that underpins the current Pontiac GTO. Unlike their Sigma-based brothers, these vehicle will not offer Zeta’s AWD capability, but may include short- and long-wheelbase sedans for Chevrolet (Impala and Caprice, respectively), and a pair of V6- and V8-powered coupes (Monte Carlo and Camaro).
This is assuming that they continue to use the Camaro on the Zeta platform. A lot of people have been saying that the Zeta is not the right shape for the Camaro, with a high body etc, which could mean there's a variation of the Zeta platform, maybe even Sigma, that the Camaro is planned on... if this is the case, that side platform might not have anything to do with the Zeta being postponed in North America, meaning that they might (big might) be on target for the 2007/2008 release.

RFF 04-28-2005 03:20 PM

I don't care anymore, GM can go screw itself with an iron stick.

NoRiceInside 04-28-2005 04:17 PM

yeah GM sucks lately. that seatbelt recall isnt cool.

MeenZ28 04-28-2005 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Rockford Fosgate Fan
I don't care anymore, GM can go screw itself with an iron stick.

x2 but instead of an iron stick how about a copper wire?

meissen 04-28-2005 05:42 PM

Werd, regardless of how much GM sucks, I still am excited for the new Camaro to come out.

97z2801ss 04-28-2005 06:43 PM

yea i could care less ill see it when it comes up, too much talk by gm

NCamaro94 04-28-2005 10:46 PM

yup agreeing with the rest...GM is ruining itself.

Bernotas05 04-28-2005 10:50 PM


Originally Posted by NCamaro94
yup agreeing with the rest...GM is ruining itself.

werd

meissen 04-28-2005 10:51 PM

coupled with the UAW ruining GM...

archemedes 04-28-2005 11:13 PM


Originally Posted by NoRiceInside
yeah GM sucks lately. that seatbelt recall isnt cool.

every car gm has built in the last 10 years had a seatbelt issue seems the 1 supplier of them for all the manufacturers changes plastic and doesn't tell anyone

no_eye_candy 04-28-2005 11:44 PM

*note: didnt read everything*

at least that'll give me some time to save =)

camaro94 04-29-2005 12:22 AM

I won't get excited until I see an official concept drawing, actual concept car, and a set date that its coming out. Until then, I don't even get my hopes up.

SOMBirdV6 04-29-2005 12:24 AM

stop reading and beliving all these rumors. its gona be crazy till GM says something. But ive lost faith GM has been dumb and im just not happy with them anymore. I have my Camaro a legendary car now so I kinda dont wana see it come back.

Mike Jones 04-29-2005 12:41 AM

I have to agree with the rest of you, I have no faith in GM whatsoever. The ONLY think I would even considering buying from them is the Corvette but since they've screwed us over and over again I'll probably look elsewhere and only buy one if it's my only choice.

JesasaurusRex 04-29-2005 01:00 AM


Originally Posted by camaro94
I won't get excited until I see an official concept drawing, actual concept car, and a set date that its coming out. Until then, I don't even get my hopes up.

x2

I donno if im making this up or not but i coulda sworn i heard somewhere that GM was losing a billion dollars a month :eek: , i wonder why :rolleyes:


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