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Old Jun 3, 2006 | 05:49 PM
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Furious at fast crash assumptions
No proof yet that nitrous mods were involved in 2 deaths
Making car a safer, swifter performer shouldn't be a crime
Jun. 3, 2006. 01:00 AM
JIM KENZIE

Russell Soares is semi-fast, but he's plenty furious.

The car enthusiast with a (slightly) modified car is furious that an Oak Ridges couple died last Saturday night when their Hyundai was, to quote reporter San Grewal's story in Wednesday's Star, "shredded'' by a Honda Civic that allegedly was going some 140 km/h on Yonge St. in Richmond Hill.

But Soares, who is in his 30s, is also furious that the article implied the Honda was modified and that police allege it was participating in street racing.

And he is furious that politicians like Frank Klees, MPP for Oak Ridges and a former Ontario transportation minister, are jumping on this tragedy.

They're calling for the banning of modifications such as nitrous oxide systems, which can increase the power of a car many times over.

A court-imposed publication ban on the case makes Soares wonder how anyone can automatically assume nitrous, indeed, any modification — or even street racing — was involved.

Soares notes that even a 12-year-old diesel Volkswagen can do 140 km/h — it's the idiot who chooses to drive it at that speed in an urban environment that is at fault here.

But some authorities seem all too ready to blame the car.

This attitude has led some insurance companies to cancel coverage if modifications have been done to a car that might even suggest it was ever driven on a track.

(Never mind if that ever actually happened.)

Metaphor time:

Prostitutes wear short skirts. That woman is wearing a short skirt.

Therefore, she's a prostitute.

Let me get this straight: Mercedes-Benz invents an automatic roll bar that pops up to protect you in a crash.

You can't get this technology in a Civic, so at considerable personal expense you install a roll bar in your car, thereby making it safer — and they cancel your insurance?

Also, if some 18-year-old — more likely, Mommy and Daddy — buys a Porsche 911 Turbo, that's okay?

But if said 18-year-old buys a Civic and makes it as fast as a 911 Turbo, that isn't okay?

Maybe it isn't okay.

But, either way, it isn't the fault of the machinery.

There was even a fatal crash some time ago that involved a kid street-racing a Mercedes-Benz M-Class SUV.

Hello?

The worst crash involving a Wheels reporter occurred some years ago when two drunk/high young men in a stolen Dodge Caravan, with police in hot pursuit, failed to make the modest left-hand bend in Lake Shore Blvd., at Yonge.

The old van T-boned the Jaguar XK8 coupe that our man was in, waiting at a stop light.

Fortunately, the van hit the press fleet Jag around the left-front door post, where the structure is the strongest.

Had the impact occurred even a half-metre farther back, he would have been much more seriously injured.

I don't recall the Honourable Mr. Klees calling for a ban on killer Caravans.

Another example of the hypocrisy surrounding this issue occurs whenever enthusiasts organize track days so fellow car nuts can test their cars' performance to the limit, in safety.

You can almost guarantee that local cops will be stationed at every entrance and exit to the track, hassling the competitors for having blue windshield washer nozzles.

The Star story did point out one person in authority who seems to have a grip on this issue.

York Regional police Sgt. Dave Mitchell, co-founder of the task force Project ERASE (Eliminate Racing Activity on Streets Everywhere), said that high-performance cars, whether factory-built or subsequently modified, are like alcohol.

"People can buy it, but they know they can't drink more than a certain amount and then get behind the wheel of a car,'' he said.

Exactly.

The story also noted that street racing has been associated with at least 33 deaths in the GTA since 1999. Let's do the math: that's about four deaths a year.

Is street racing the biggest traffic safety problem we have?

Hardly.

Almost 3,000 people are killed every year in this country on our roads. Every one of them is a tragedy.

Because traffic deaths tend to occur to younger people — car crashes are the Number 1 killer of people under age 44 — the loss in person-years is even greater.

What a waste.

I know: before I was born, a 5-year old who would have been my sister was run over by a truck in front of our house. I never knew her, but her death still resonates in our family.

Virtually every one of these road deaths is preventable.

But we have to attack the largest problem areas first, not the mosquito bites.

Klees, and Ontario's new transportation minister, Donna Cansfield, should get on with tougher driving tests, higher standards for driver education and stronger enforcement of truly dangerous driving behaviour.

And I don't mean speed traps on open highways.

If you need some ideas about where to start, my email address is below.
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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hes got a theoretical point, but its the riced civics you see weaving through traffic. and most real sport cars dont drive chaoticaly on the streets (from what i have seen). so i say ban the rice
Old Jun 4, 2006 | 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 3aXap
hes got a theoretical point, but its the riced civics you see weaving through traffic. and most real sport cars dont drive chaoticaly on the streets (from what i have seen). so i say ban the rice
to the cops.. rice or nice.. its all the same to them... if it looks modified... then they'll find something to charge you against

i'd say bring out stricter driving test... dont just give the license to those who have the money to pay for it.... and perhaps mandatory updates every few years so that people wont be catching on bad habits...

and for the love of god! bring the race track closer to toronto!
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Originally Posted by kyriian
to the cops.. rice or nice.. its all the same to them... if it looks modified... then they'll find something to charge you against

i'd say bring out stricter driving test... dont just give the license to those who have the money to pay for it.... and perhaps mandatory updates every few years so that people wont be catching on bad habits...

and for the love of god! bring the race track closer to toronto!
When I got pulled over last summer, they didn't give me a ticket or anything for my cage or race seats, or 5 point belts. Didn't even give me hard time about having my son, who was 2 at the time with me. And they even came right out and said they pulled me over because the car "looked like a streetracing car". Stricter driving testing would make no difference. I'm one who beleives that EVERYONE should have to be retested say every couple of years.
As for the track coming to TO, I've signed the petition, and forwarded it to a few of my friends, so hopefully everyone here can and will, and well, maybe they'll listen THIS TIME. Then again, it's been tried before.
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Originally Posted by rabbitman
As for the track coming to TO, I've signed the petition, and forwarded it to a few of my friends, so hopefully everyone here can and will, and well, maybe they'll listen THIS TIME. Then again, it's been tried before.
A track will never happen. EVER.

The same people who ***** that street racing is a problem that is justifiable to spend millions of dollars on a task force to combat it, are the same people who will ***** if there is a proposal to set up a track within the city because they don't want the noise/traffic/etc.

This city is FILLED with hypocrites.
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Originally Posted by 3aXap
hes got a theoretical point, but its the riced civics you see weaving through traffic. and most real sport cars dont drive chaoticaly on the streets (from what i have seen). so i say ban the rice
Because 16-17 year olds usually don't drive any "real sports cars"... Didn't you get the meaning of that article? It's about the driver behind the car, and not the car itself. The same irresponsible idiot could end up behind a Caravan and do the same type of damage and potentially kill someone on the road.
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Originally Posted by un4givn
A track will never happen. EVER.

The same people who ***** that street racing is a problem that is justifiable to spend millions of dollars on a task force to combat it, are the same people who will ***** if there is a proposal to set up a track within the city because they don't want the noise/traffic/etc.

This city is FILLED with hypocrites.
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I dunno why they don't just have a track down by the beaches or something. It sure would be a cash grab for a lot of people.
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finely a newspaper willing to print some truth...about ****ing time...the only track toronto is ever gonna getis when they shut down the streets for the CART race
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I dont think any developer could afford to buy the land in the beaches and hope to make any money from a race track. Do you have any idea of how much a home goes for in the beaches? A "fixer upper" semi detached in that area go for 300K on a 12 x 100 ft lot. Alot of the ncer homes are in the half million dolalr mark. Its a hot area.

Originally Posted by Capt. Canada
I dunno why they don't just have a track down by the beaches or something. It sure would be a cash grab for a lot of people.
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I dont think any developer could afford to buy the land in the beaches and hope to make any money from a race track. Do you have any idea of how much a home goes for in the beaches? A "fixer upper" semi detached in that area go for 300K on a 12 x 100 ft lot. Alot of the ncer homes are in the half million dolalr mark. Its a hot area.
your right they are costy....
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There was actually a guy a couple years ago that had all kinds of money that was trying to put a track at bloomington and 48. The track was going to be inside of some old gravel pit so the noise would only travel up, not out and he was going to put forest all around too. He had all kinds of signatures supporting it and he would pay for it all, but the old fogies on Stouffville council just weren't having it. Too much noise and BS already with the salesbarn they said. WHAT A CROCK OF SH*T. Did they ever stop to think about the revenue that something like this would create for surrounding business', and to think these are the same assclowns that would love to see harsher punishment for street racing.
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Again, the issue is red-hot housing demand in the GTA and surrounding areas. 15 years ago, anything north of McCowan and steeles was farmland. 10 years ago, north of 16th ave was the boonies. Great open space for a race track to keep those scarborough racers off the streets, right? Those farmers cashed out for millions to the housing developers. I totally understand where you guys are coming from about wanting a race track within 30 min of the city (I would love one too), but dont blame the ppl doing the petitions etc. its the math that doesnt make sense. The land is worth 10's, if not 100's of millions in housing development. Look at the typical business model for a track and their revenue streams: a few thousand a day for rentals? $30 a car for test and tune? some advertising dollars? Surely not enough to cover the enormous costs involved.


Originally Posted by Turbo Jer
There was actually a guy a couple years ago that had all kinds of money that was trying to put a track at bloomington and 48. The track was going to be inside of some old gravel pit so the noise would only travel up, not out and he was going to put forest all around too. He had all kinds of signatures supporting it and he would pay for it all, but the old fogies on Stouffville council just weren't having it. Too much noise and BS already with the salesbarn they said. WHAT A CROCK OF SH*T. Did they ever stop to think about the revenue that something like this would create for surrounding business', and to think these are the same assclowns that would love to see harsher punishment for street racing.



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