Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>
>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>> driving alone.
>>
>> Here's the mystery:
>>
>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>
>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>
>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
> was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
> think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
> test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
> hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
> of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
i agree.

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>
>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>> driving alone.
>>
>> Here's the mystery:
>>
>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>
>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>
>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption when it
> was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one cylinder. I
> think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up on a compression
> test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke, but oil additives are
> hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark plugs, looking for evidence
> of oil on one insulator, would be a good way to go.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
i agree.

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

jim beam wrote:

> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>>
>>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>>> driving alone.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>>
>>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one
>>> cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up
>>> on a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke,
>>> but oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark
>>> plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would be a good
>>> way to go.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
>> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.
>
>
> depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
> but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a big
> difference to compression and not so much to oil.
>

My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a lot
of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose fitting to
allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot of smoke
coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes badly but on
occasion, the blowby will return during certain acceleration speeds in
the lower gears.

At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.

I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed as
the current box is only a four speed.

None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
"rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was a
plugged cat converter..

But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...

JT

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

jim beam wrote:

> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>
>>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>
>>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>>
>>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>>> driving alone.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>>
>>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in one
>>> cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show up
>>> on a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the smoke,
>>> but oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at the spark
>>> plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would be a good
>>> way to go.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
>>
>> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
>> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.
>
>
> depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
> but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a big
> difference to compression and not so much to oil.
>

My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a lot
of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose fitting to
allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot of smoke
coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes badly but on
occasion, the blowby will return during certain acceleration speeds in
the lower gears.

At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.

I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed as
the current box is only a four speed.

None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
"rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was a
plugged cat converter..

But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...

JT

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>
>>>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>>>
>>>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>>>> driving alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>>>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in
>>>> one cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show
>>>> up on a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the
>>>> smoke, but oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at
>>>> the spark plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would
>>>> be a good way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
>>> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.
>>
>>
>> depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
>> but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a
>> big difference to compression and not so much to oil.
>>
>
> My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a lot
> of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose fitting to
> allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot of smoke
> coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes badly but on
> occasion, the blowby will return during certain acceleration speeds in
> the lower gears.
>
> At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.
>
> I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
> swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed as
> the current box is only a four speed.

i'd /definitely/ go 5-speed. my civic '90 4-speed revved so high, i'd
have to keep checking to see if i'd left it in 3rd.

>
> None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
> "rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was a
> plugged cat converter..
>
> But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...


hey, i got that '90 civic /free/ because it wouldn't start and the owner
was sick of getting hosed by her local garage on repairs. all it needed
was a set of new plugs.

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Pardee wrote:
>>>
>>>> <bpm4736-honda@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1177356427.900736.109490@b58g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> I need some help on a perplexing issue with our 2000 Odyssey.
>>>>>
>>>>> After many trouble-free miles, it has begun losing oil in dramatic
>>>>> fashion. We've added a 1/2 quart twice in the last 3 days of light
>>>>> driving alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the mystery:
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely no oil on garage floor. Not a drop.
>>>>> The coolant levels are perfect.
>>>>> The engine is not overheating or running warm.
>>>>> Engine acceleration and power are normal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides losing oil, the only other possible symptom is that the oil on
>>>>> the dipstick is very dirty.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions or ideas? Any help is greatly appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The times I've seen reports of sudden increases in oil consumption
>>>> when it was finally resolved, it was a broken compression ring in
>>>> one cylinder. I think it toook teardown to find that; it didn't show
>>>> up on a compression test. The catalytic converter burned up the
>>>> smoke, but oil additives are hard on the catalyst, too. A look at
>>>> the spark plugs, looking for evidence of oil on one insulator, would
>>>> be a good way to go.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> While I can't say for certain, I believe the bad cylinder on the $200
>>> Civic is a broken ring and it surely does show on a compressions test.
>>
>>
>> depends which ring. oil control rings don't add much to compression,
>> but they sure do let the oil in if they're dead. a top ring makes a
>> big difference to compression and not so much to oil.
>>
>
> My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a lot
> of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose fitting to
> allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot of smoke
> coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes badly but on
> occasion, the blowby will return during certain acceleration speeds in
> the lower gears.
>
> At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.
>
> I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
> swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed as
> the current box is only a four speed.

i'd /definitely/ go 5-speed. my civic '90 4-speed revved so high, i'd
have to keep checking to see if i'd left it in 3rd.

>
> None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
> "rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was a
> plugged cat converter..
>
> But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...


hey, i got that '90 civic /free/ because it wouldn't start and the owner
was sick of getting hosed by her local garage on repairs. all it needed
was a set of new plugs.

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

jim beam wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>

snip



>> My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a
>> lot of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose
>> fitting to allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot
>> of smoke coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes
>> badly but on occasion, the blowby will return during certain
>> acceleration speeds in the lower gears.
>>
>> At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.
>>
>> I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
>> swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed
>> as the current box is only a four speed.
>
>
> i'd /definitely/ go 5-speed. my civic '90 4-speed revved so high, i'd
> have to keep checking to see if i'd left it in 3rd.
>

I'm inclined to agree plus the fact I don't really know what I'll find
on a 160K + engine that has already been "tampered" with by the previous
owner..



>>
>> None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
>> "rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was
>> a plugged cat converter..
>>
>> But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...
>
>
>
> hey, i got that '90 civic /free/ because it wouldn't start and the owner
> was sick of getting hosed by her local garage on repairs. all it needed
> was a set of new plugs.


Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some
basic knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory
for abuse by repair shops.

JT

(Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

jim beam wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
>>

snip



>> My car has graduated to the next stage. Previously, it simply was a
>> lot of blowby. So much so, the previous owner use a garden hose
>> fitting to allow the excess to blow out below but there was not a lot
>> of smoke coming out of the tail pipe. Now, it mostly just smokes
>> badly but on occasion, the blowby will return during certain
>> acceleration speeds in the lower gears.
>>
>> At any rate, it will be fixed one way or the other in the next few weeks.
>>
>> I'm torn between an in-car overhaul or just building up an engine and
>> swapping it out. If I do the swap out, I'll also put in a five speed
>> as the current box is only a four speed.
>
>
> i'd /definitely/ go 5-speed. my civic '90 4-speed revved so high, i'd
> have to keep checking to see if i'd left it in 3rd.
>

I'm inclined to agree plus the fact I don't really know what I'll find
on a 160K + engine that has already been "tampered" with by the previous
owner..



>>
>> None of this would have been required if the previous owner did not
>> "rebuild the engine" because it lost power... The problem simply was
>> a plugged cat converter..
>>
>> But then, it would never have sold for a measly $200...
>
>
>
> hey, i got that '90 civic /free/ because it wouldn't start and the owner
> was sick of getting hosed by her local garage on repairs. all it needed
> was a set of new plugs.


Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some
basic knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory
for abuse by repair shops.

JT

(Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:f0uXh.357682$5j1.313277@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some basic
> knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory for
> abuse by repair shops.
>
> JT
>
> (Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)
>
>
So, are you going to let your alternator oil go unchanged forever? You
should really get the muffler bearings serviced at the same time.

Mike <8^P

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

"Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
news:f0uXh.357682$5j1.313277@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>
> Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some basic
> knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory for
> abuse by repair shops.
>
> JT
>
> (Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)
>
>
So, are you going to let your alternator oil go unchanged forever? You
should really get the muffler bearings serviced at the same time.

Mike <8^P

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:f0uXh.357682$5j1.313277@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some basic
>>knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory for
>>abuse by repair shops.
>>
>>JT
>>
>>(Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)
>>
>>
>
> So, are you going to let your alternator oil go unchanged forever? You
> should really get the muffler bearings serviced at the same time.
>
> Mike <8^P
>
>


I sorta got suspicious when they told me the four way slug nuts were
worn out...

JT

Re: '00 Odyssey Losing Oil, Very Dirty
 

Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Grumpy AuContraire" <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in message
> news:f0uXh.357682$5j1.313277@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>
>>Yep, you gotta be in the right place at the right time and have some basic
>>knowledge/insight plus females and old folks are "ripe" territory for
>>abuse by repair shops.
>>
>>JT
>>
>>(Who is old but doesn't stand for much in the way of abuse...)
>>
>>
>
> So, are you going to let your alternator oil go unchanged forever? You
> should really get the muffler bearings serviced at the same time.
>
> Mike <8^P
>
>


I sorta got suspicious when they told me the four way slug nuts were
worn out...

JT