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1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a
new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any help would be appreciated. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. I've always found it far more efficient to just replace the whole shaft. Takes about 10 minutes, start to finish, and if the outer joint is going, the inner joint is probably ready to be replaced as well. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. I've always found it far more efficient to just replace the whole shaft. Takes about 10 minutes, start to finish, and if the outer joint is going, the inner joint is probably ready to be replaced as well. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. I've always found it far more efficient to just replace the whole shaft. Takes about 10 minutes, start to finish, and if the outer joint is going, the inner joint is probably ready to be replaced as well. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> > I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. > The outer joint is held on by a clip. However, it's inside the joint and cannot be accessed when the joint is on the shaft. I have removed the joint using two techniques. The first one usually only works if the joint is very worn and is just flopping about on the end of the shaft. You must enlist a brave volunteer. This person will hold the shaft near the inner joint such that the shaft is pointing straight down and the outer joint is level and has had the boot and clips removed. You then take two 32 oz ball peen hammers, one in each hand, and swing them like an ape man such that they strike both sides of the outer joint at precisely the same time. If the joint doesn't come off after two or three blows, then it probably isn't going to come off via this technique. What happens is that the groove that holds the clip ring starts getting flared out preventing the outer joint from coming off and hitting it further will just make the joint more and more less likely to come off and further damages the splines. The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth out the splines with a flat file. A third possible technique, which I have never used, could be to use a special adapter for an air hammer which is designed to apply force equally to all sides of the outer joint's inner race. However, with this method you'll still likely run into the problems with the clip ring I mentioned in the first technique. In either of the above cases, the inner joint should be rebooted. Disassemble the joint, remove as much grease as possible without using solvent, keep it impeccably clean, regrease it and reassemble the unit being careful to keep the inner tripod in it's original orientation. Some techs have problems and get dirt in the joints while they're apart. This will lead to their premature failure so cleanliness is critical. The other important step is to equalize the air inside the boots of both joints such that they can move throughout their normal range of motion without putting tension on the boot. For example, if there isn't enough air in the inner boot then it will likely pop out of the transmission while you're driving down the road. Given the limitations with the above techniques for removing the outer joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured shaft with a warranty and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high quality rebuilt shaft and you can check the price and availability at http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or http://www.slhonda.com. Eric |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> > I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. > The outer joint is held on by a clip. However, it's inside the joint and cannot be accessed when the joint is on the shaft. I have removed the joint using two techniques. The first one usually only works if the joint is very worn and is just flopping about on the end of the shaft. You must enlist a brave volunteer. This person will hold the shaft near the inner joint such that the shaft is pointing straight down and the outer joint is level and has had the boot and clips removed. You then take two 32 oz ball peen hammers, one in each hand, and swing them like an ape man such that they strike both sides of the outer joint at precisely the same time. If the joint doesn't come off after two or three blows, then it probably isn't going to come off via this technique. What happens is that the groove that holds the clip ring starts getting flared out preventing the outer joint from coming off and hitting it further will just make the joint more and more less likely to come off and further damages the splines. The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth out the splines with a flat file. A third possible technique, which I have never used, could be to use a special adapter for an air hammer which is designed to apply force equally to all sides of the outer joint's inner race. However, with this method you'll still likely run into the problems with the clip ring I mentioned in the first technique. In either of the above cases, the inner joint should be rebooted. Disassemble the joint, remove as much grease as possible without using solvent, keep it impeccably clean, regrease it and reassemble the unit being careful to keep the inner tripod in it's original orientation. Some techs have problems and get dirt in the joints while they're apart. This will lead to their premature failure so cleanliness is critical. The other important step is to equalize the air inside the boots of both joints such that they can move throughout their normal range of motion without putting tension on the boot. For example, if there isn't enough air in the inner boot then it will likely pop out of the transmission while you're driving down the road. Given the limitations with the above techniques for removing the outer joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured shaft with a warranty and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high quality rebuilt shaft and you can check the price and availability at http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or http://www.slhonda.com. Eric |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
nospam wrote:
> > I need to replace the right outer CV joint on my 89 Accord DX. I have a > new part. The shop manual on the car states to not disassemble the > outer CV joint from the driveshaft and does not offer any other > details. I have replaced outer CV joints on other cars and they are > usually held in with a cir-clip. The one for this car looks like it is > just pressed in without a clip. Is there anything special that I have > to do? It must come apart because you can buy replacement joints. Any > help would be appreciated. > The outer joint is held on by a clip. However, it's inside the joint and cannot be accessed when the joint is on the shaft. I have removed the joint using two techniques. The first one usually only works if the joint is very worn and is just flopping about on the end of the shaft. You must enlist a brave volunteer. This person will hold the shaft near the inner joint such that the shaft is pointing straight down and the outer joint is level and has had the boot and clips removed. You then take two 32 oz ball peen hammers, one in each hand, and swing them like an ape man such that they strike both sides of the outer joint at precisely the same time. If the joint doesn't come off after two or three blows, then it probably isn't going to come off via this technique. What happens is that the groove that holds the clip ring starts getting flared out preventing the outer joint from coming off and hitting it further will just make the joint more and more less likely to come off and further damages the splines. The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth out the splines with a flat file. A third possible technique, which I have never used, could be to use a special adapter for an air hammer which is designed to apply force equally to all sides of the outer joint's inner race. However, with this method you'll still likely run into the problems with the clip ring I mentioned in the first technique. In either of the above cases, the inner joint should be rebooted. Disassemble the joint, remove as much grease as possible without using solvent, keep it impeccably clean, regrease it and reassemble the unit being careful to keep the inner tripod in it's original orientation. Some techs have problems and get dirt in the joints while they're apart. This will lead to their premature failure so cleanliness is critical. The other important step is to equalize the air inside the boots of both joints such that they can move throughout their normal range of motion without putting tension on the boot. For example, if there isn't enough air in the inner boot then it will likely pop out of the transmission while you're driving down the road. Given the limitations with the above techniques for removing the outer joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured shaft with a warranty and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high quality rebuilt shaft and you can check the price and availability at http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or http://www.slhonda.com. Eric |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> Given the limitations with the above techniques for > removing the outer > joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured > shaft with a warranty > and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high > quality rebuilt shaft > and you can check the price and availability at > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or > http://www.slhonda.com. I happened to check this a few weeks ago for a school assignment. Majestic (site one above) wants about $130 + shipping/handling for the remanned OEM shaft. Not sure what the warranty is. One has to ship Majestic the core to get the price above. Napa and Autozone want about $70, which also already takes into account submission of the core. Both provide a lifetime warranty. Make sure you get the exact same diameter, length and spline count from Napa and Autozone. A literature review on this subject indicates that most shops now just replace the halfshaft. It's way cheaper both parts wise and labor time wise. Hopefully returning the part the OP purchased is still an option. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> Given the limitations with the above techniques for > removing the outer > joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured > shaft with a warranty > and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high > quality rebuilt shaft > and you can check the price and availability at > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or > http://www.slhonda.com. I happened to check this a few weeks ago for a school assignment. Majestic (site one above) wants about $130 + shipping/handling for the remanned OEM shaft. Not sure what the warranty is. One has to ship Majestic the core to get the price above. Napa and Autozone want about $70, which also already takes into account submission of the core. Both provide a lifetime warranty. Make sure you get the exact same diameter, length and spline count from Napa and Autozone. A literature review on this subject indicates that most shops now just replace the halfshaft. It's way cheaper both parts wise and labor time wise. Hopefully returning the part the OP purchased is still an option. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
> Given the limitations with the above techniques for > removing the outer > joint, it's a whole lot easier to buy a remanufactured > shaft with a warranty > and just replace the whole thing. Honda sells a high > quality rebuilt shaft > and you can check the price and availability at > http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com or > http://www.slhonda.com. I happened to check this a few weeks ago for a school assignment. Majestic (site one above) wants about $130 + shipping/handling for the remanned OEM shaft. Not sure what the warranty is. One has to ship Majestic the core to get the price above. Napa and Autozone want about $70, which also already takes into account submission of the core. Both provide a lifetime warranty. Make sure you get the exact same diameter, length and spline count from Napa and Autozone. A literature review on this subject indicates that most shops now just replace the halfshaft. It's way cheaper both parts wise and labor time wise. Hopefully returning the part the OP purchased is still an option. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
<snip> > The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting > torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is > a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the > joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the > splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, > then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable > damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. > Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth > out the splines with a flat file. <snip> Personally, I would go for the Abrasive Cut-Off Saw. This gives better control and minimize overheating, not to mention cost and safety. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
<snip> > The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting > torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is > a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the > joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the > splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, > then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable > damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. > Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth > out the splines with a flat file. <snip> Personally, I would go for the Abrasive Cut-Off Saw. This gives better control and minimize overheating, not to mention cost and safety. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote
<snip> > The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting > torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it is > a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the > joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the > splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly skilled, > then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable > damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. > Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth > out the splines with a flat file. <snip> Personally, I would go for the Abrasive Cut-Off Saw. This gives better control and minimize overheating, not to mention cost and safety. |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Burt" <burtsquareman@none.com> wrote in message
news:ewYEg.14271$o27.5153@newssvr21.news.prodigy.c om... > "Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote > > <snip> >> The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting >> torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it >> is >> a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the >> joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the >> splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly >> skilled, >> then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable >> damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. >> Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth >> out the splines with a flat file. > <snip> > > Personally, I would go for the Abrasive Cut-Off Saw. This gives better > control and minimize overheating, not to mention cost and safety. > > Perhaps a cut-off saw with the application of a cold chisel when the cut gets near the axle? Mike |
Re: 1989 Accord Outer CV Joint
"Burt" <burtsquareman@none.com> wrote in message
news:ewYEg.14271$o27.5153@newssvr21.news.prodigy.c om... > "Eric" <say.no@spam.now> wrote > > <snip> >> The second technique involves judicious use of an oxy-acetylene cutting >> torch. The outer race is fairly straight forward to cut off although it >> is >> a bit messy as the grease will catch on fire as it's dripping out of the >> joint. The inner race is more difficult since it's right next to the >> splined shaft. If the person wielding the cutting torch is highly >> skilled, >> then they can usually cut off the inner race without causing appreciable >> damage to the splines of the shaft directly underneath inner race. >> Sometimes, even with the greatest of care, it's still necessary to smooth >> out the splines with a flat file. > <snip> > > Personally, I would go for the Abrasive Cut-Off Saw. This gives better > control and minimize overheating, not to mention cost and safety. > > Perhaps a cut-off saw with the application of a cold chisel when the cut gets near the axle? Mike |
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