1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

The oil leakage was indeed caused by the PS pump. It was leaking through the
seal of the cover plate of the pump. I had all seals (4) replaced by the
dealer. Now I should be able to rev the engine without bubling the PS fluid
over the top of the PS reservoir.
Also the ratle the car had at 1800 rpms turned out to be a loose heatshield.
I had them both (top and bottom) replaced, 36 Euros each.
And finally the middle section of the exhaust had to be replaced. The
original (220.000 kms) had a leak,and started to produce more and more
noise. Euro 229 before tax.
So the total job set me back Euro 490 (including tax (=19%)).....
The thing is: I want to run this car for another 4 to5 years until the
Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).

Jan N
1991 Accord Aerodeck 2.2i EX

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).

Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
Acura badge.
So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
Euros.
There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
for Acura.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).

Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
Acura badge.
So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
Euros.
There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
for Acura.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).

Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
Acura badge.
So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
Euros.
There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
for Acura.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).

Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
Acura badge.
So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
Euros.
There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
for Acura.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:

>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
>> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>
>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
>Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
>Acura badge.
>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
>Euros.

The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the genteel
class.:-)

>There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
>for Acura.

There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
Accord Type S.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:

>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
>> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>
>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
>Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
>Acura badge.
>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
>Euros.

The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the genteel
class.:-)

>There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
>for Acura.

There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
Accord Type S.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:

>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
>> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>
>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
>Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
>Acura badge.
>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
>Euros.

The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the genteel
class.:-)

>There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
>for Acura.

There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
Accord Type S.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:

>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable). The new
>> price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>
>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most expensive
>Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with an
>Acura badge.
>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for 15000
>Euros.

The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the genteel
class.:-)

>There is no Type S for Accord (or any other Honda), it used to be reserved
>for Acura.

There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
Accord Type S.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
> Accord Type S.

Yup, they even had the Honda Legend since they don't have Acura in Europe.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
> Accord Type S.

Yup, they even had the Honda Legend since they don't have Acura in Europe.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
> Accord Type S.

Yup, they even had the Honda Legend since they don't have Acura in Europe.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

> There is a Type S in Europe - that's what the Acura TSX is in Europe, an
> Accord Type S.

Yup, they even had the Honda Legend since they don't have Acura in Europe.

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>
>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>
>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>an Acura badge.
>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>15000 Euros.
>
> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
> genteel class.:-)


What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
to the current classic car world.

Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

--
TeGGeR®

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??

Re: 1991 Accord oil leakage and more....
 

On 31 Jan 2004 01:03:14 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

>George Macdonald <fammacd=!SPAM^nothanks@tellurian.com> spake unto the
>masses in news:60fl10lo59o11hr4t72n7f92h3mnsks92i@4ax.com:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500, "Paul Bielec" <me@no.spam> wrote:
>>
>>>> Accord Tourer becomes available second hand (and more afordable).
>>>> The new price is a little steep 36.000 Euros (Tourer 2.4 Type S).
>>>
>>>Damn, there are expensive in Europe. Here in Canada, the most
>>>expensive Accord is around 35000$. That's the north american Accord.
>>>And the Acura TSX is 35000$ as well. That's the european Accord with
>>>an Acura badge.
>>>So both are around 21000 Euros, while the entry level Accord sells for
>>>15000 Euros.
>>
>> The Tourer is the wagon... or shooting brake if you're from the
>> genteel class.:-)
>
>
>What I've read is slightly different: A "shooting brake" is properly a
>wooden-bodied commercial, based on an otherwise steel-framed passenger car.

That may have been the original form.

>An "estate car" is what is known in North America as a "station wagon". An
>estate may have been known generically among the genteel class as a
>shooting brake, but this is not the definition that is "correct" according
>to the current classic car world.

If you're dealing with classic shooting brakes they will have wooden or
wood trimmed rear bodywork. There are several current full metal bodied
cars in production - TVR, Bentley etc. - which are sold as Shooting Brakes
and a few custom builders who will do a "factory" conversion on just about
anything.

>Just after WW2, purchase tax in Britain on new passenger cars was up to
>30%, part of the "export-or-die" philosophy of Clement Attlee's Labour
>government. Commercials were exempt from the tax, which gave rise to the
>wooden-bodied vehicle that became associated with the name "shooting
>brake". After the purchase tax was reduced in the '50s, "shooting brakes"
>declined in popularity and eventually disappeared.

Check out http://www.gspovey.demon.co.uk/garag...ery/cersbr.htm a
very much alive "shooting brake" - room for the dogs and hunting gear.:-)
The real wooden bodied factory 'brakes date back to '20s, '30s models and
many of those ~1950 were aftermarket conversions. AFAIK the "commercial"
usage was nominally for hunting lodges, hotels etc. and then also, the rich
were not called "idle" for nothing.

Rgds, George Macdonald

"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??