1991 civic won't start...
 

the car turned back on me on NY's eve :(((
here's the problem, i started it, and it just stopped aftert approx. 15
seconds idling. after that, every attempt of starting it was useless. i
inspected the sparkplugs, and apparently they are not getting fire. i'm not
getting any error codes...

distributor cap and wires are ok.
could it be the ignition coil?

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

i forgot, engine is 1.5i - D15B1

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

After you check it the rotor is still spinning (to make sure your belt
isn't broken), check your ignitor as that is a common Civic problem.
There are many different posts out there on how to check it.

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

After you check it the rotor is still spinning (to make sure your belt
isn't broken), check your ignitor as that is a common Civic problem.
There are many different posts out there on how to check it.

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

djo wrote:
> the car turned back on me on NY's eve :(((
> here's the problem, i started it, and it just stopped aftert approx. 15
> seconds idling. after that, every attempt of starting it was useless. i
> inspected the sparkplugs, and apparently they are not getting fire. i'm not
> getting any error codes...
>
> distributor cap and wires are ok.
> could it be the ignition coil?
>

---------------

Does the rotor actually spin when the engine is cranked ?(it's driven by
the timing belt) You won't get spark if the camshaft isn't rotating.

'Curly'

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

djo wrote:
> the car turned back on me on NY's eve :(((
> here's the problem, i started it, and it just stopped aftert approx. 15
> seconds idling. after that, every attempt of starting it was useless. i
> inspected the sparkplugs, and apparently they are not getting fire. i'm not
> getting any error codes...
>
> distributor cap and wires are ok.
> could it be the ignition coil?
>

---------------

Does the rotor actually spin when the engine is cranked ?(it's driven by
the timing belt) You won't get spark if the camshaft isn't rotating.

'Curly'

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _ wrote:
> Does the rotor actually spin when the engine is cranked ?(it's driven
> by the timing belt) You won't get spark if the camshaft isn't
> rotating.

yes, the rotor spins. i'm sure of that, 'cause i've seen it in one position
when i disassembled distributor for the first time, and in different
position after cranking and another distributor disassembly...

i hope you'll understand what i was trying to say :)))

my english is not all that well...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _ wrote:
> Does the rotor actually spin when the engine is cranked ?(it's driven
> by the timing belt) You won't get spark if the camshaft isn't
> rotating.

yes, the rotor spins. i'm sure of that, 'cause i've seen it in one position
when i disassembled distributor for the first time, and in different
position after cranking and another distributor disassembly...

i hope you'll understand what i was trying to say :)))

my english is not all that well...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Open up the distributor and first check to see if you have 12V coming
to the coil.

If so, check the primary and secondary of the coil. They are harder to
check out of circuit because of the lower resistance on the primary
(3-4 ohms) and higher resistance on the secondary (10K or so). The
reading is also affected by temperature. Just make sure you don't see
an open or infinite restance. Visually inspect your coil for 'arc
throughs' - this is where the plastic has broken down and the coil is
arcing to the distributor case - you'll note some discoloration on the
plastic, if that is the case.

You can check the ignitor by putting a small bulb (or an LED with a 470
ohms in series, noting the polarity) across the coil's primary and
starting the car. If your bulb flashes, your ignitor is good and the
problem is within your coil, rotor, cap, wires, etc.
If it doesn't flash, very often the ignitor is bad but it could also be
whatever drives the ignitor.

My money is on the ignitor, though, as that is a very common problem in
Hondas. They are expensive but if you shop around, you can probably get
them at a much lower price than at your dealership.
Hope this helps.
Remco

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Open up the distributor and first check to see if you have 12V coming
to the coil.

If so, check the primary and secondary of the coil. They are harder to
check out of circuit because of the lower resistance on the primary
(3-4 ohms) and higher resistance on the secondary (10K or so). The
reading is also affected by temperature. Just make sure you don't see
an open or infinite restance. Visually inspect your coil for 'arc
throughs' - this is where the plastic has broken down and the coil is
arcing to the distributor case - you'll note some discoloration on the
plastic, if that is the case.

You can check the ignitor by putting a small bulb (or an LED with a 470
ohms in series, noting the polarity) across the coil's primary and
starting the car. If your bulb flashes, your ignitor is good and the
problem is within your coil, rotor, cap, wires, etc.
If it doesn't flash, very often the ignitor is bad but it could also be
whatever drives the ignitor.

My money is on the ignitor, though, as that is a very common problem in
Hondas. They are expensive but if you shop around, you can probably get
them at a much lower price than at your dealership.
Hope this helps.
Remco

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1104870729.861264.107280@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com:

> Open up the distributor and first check to see if you have 12V coming
> to the coil.
>
> If so, check the primary and secondary of the coil. They are harder to
> check out of circuit because of the lower resistance on the primary
> (3-4 ohms) and higher resistance on the secondary (10K or so). The
> reading is also affected by temperature. Just make sure you don't see
> an open or infinite restance. Visually inspect your coil for 'arc
> throughs' - this is where the plastic has broken down and the coil is
> arcing to the distributor case - you'll note some discoloration on the
> plastic, if that is the case.
>
> You can check the ignitor by putting a small bulb (or an LED with a 470
> ohms in series, noting the polarity) across the coil's primary and
> starting the car. If your bulb flashes, your ignitor is good and the
> problem is within your coil, rotor, cap, wires, etc.
> If it doesn't flash, very often the ignitor is bad but it could also be
> whatever drives the ignitor.
>
> My money is on the ignitor, though, as that is a very common problem in
> Hondas. They are expensive but if you shop around, you can probably get
> them at a much lower price than at your dealership.
> Hope this helps.
> Remco
>
>

this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm


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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1104870729.861264.107280@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com:

> Open up the distributor and first check to see if you have 12V coming
> to the coil.
>
> If so, check the primary and secondary of the coil. They are harder to
> check out of circuit because of the lower resistance on the primary
> (3-4 ohms) and higher resistance on the secondary (10K or so). The
> reading is also affected by temperature. Just make sure you don't see
> an open or infinite restance. Visually inspect your coil for 'arc
> throughs' - this is where the plastic has broken down and the coil is
> arcing to the distributor case - you'll note some discoloration on the
> plastic, if that is the case.
>
> You can check the ignitor by putting a small bulb (or an LED with a 470
> ohms in series, noting the polarity) across the coil's primary and
> starting the car. If your bulb flashes, your ignitor is good and the
> problem is within your coil, rotor, cap, wires, etc.
> If it doesn't flash, very often the ignitor is bad but it could also be
> whatever drives the ignitor.
>
> My money is on the ignitor, though, as that is a very common problem in
> Hondas. They are expensive but if you shop around, you can probably get
> them at a much lower price than at your dealership.
> Hope this helps.
> Remco
>
>

this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm


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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm

thanx...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
> http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm

thanx...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

If it is not the main relay, it could be the solenoid inside the
distributor, not the coil, but the other pack.

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in message
news:crfe82$chn$1@bagan.srce.hr...
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
> > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm
>
> thanx...
>
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>
>

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

If it is not the main relay, it could be the solenoid inside the
distributor, not the coil, but the other pack.

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in message
news:crfe82$chn$1@bagan.srce.hr...
> Jim Yanik wrote:
> > this site also has data and pix on the ignitor;
> > http://www.markl.f9.co.uk/howto/elec...main-relay.htm
>
> thanx...
>
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>
>

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Is there a solenoid inside the distributor? There isn't on our integra
but that's a 95 so maybe things are different on older cars.
Or do you mean that assembly with four wires mounted on a plate? If so,
that is the ignitor.
Or do you mean that black unit sitting next to what looks like a cam?
If so, that is a hall sensor pick up.
Just making sure we don't confuse djo.

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Is there a solenoid inside the distributor? There isn't on our integra
but that's a 95 so maybe things are different on older cars.
Or do you mean that assembly with four wires mounted on a plate? If so,
that is the ignitor.
Or do you mean that black unit sitting next to what looks like a cam?
If so, that is a hall sensor pick up.
Just making sure we don't confuse djo.

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Remco wrote:
> Just making sure we don't confuse djo.

thanx :)

here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems with
the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with german
aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this original ignitor
was not completely "dead", but it had some problems every now and then.
today i tried to put it back in, instead of this HUCO, but nothing changed,
so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when the engine is cranked, the rotor
spins, so it's not that either. i can smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this
US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must
be in order too.

the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried to
dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition coil, but i
messed up the head on one bolt :(((

btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on the
distributor?
i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...


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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Remco wrote:
> Just making sure we don't confuse djo.

thanx :)

here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems with
the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with german
aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this original ignitor
was not completely "dead", but it had some problems every now and then.
today i tried to put it back in, instead of this HUCO, but nothing changed,
so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when the engine is cranked, the rotor
spins, so it's not that either. i can smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this
US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must
be in order too.

the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried to
dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition coil, but i
messed up the head on one bolt :(((

btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on the
distributor?
i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...


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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in
news:crhpee$ifc$1@bagan.srce.hr:

> Remco wrote:
>> Just making sure we don't confuse djo.
>
> thanx :)
>
> here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems
> with the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with
> german aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this
> original ignitor was not completely "dead", but it had some problems
> every now and then. today i tried to put it back in, instead of this
> HUCO, but nothing changed, so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when
> the engine is cranked, the rotor spins, so it's not that either. i can
> smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the
> exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must be in order too.
>
> the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried
> to dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition
> coil, but i messed up the head on one bolt :(((
>
> btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on
> the distributor?
> i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...
>
>

Is the coil separate from the distributor cap? Some Honda/Acura products
are integrated coil/cap,IIRC.

Ever think about buying a Haynes manual?

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at
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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in
news:crhpee$ifc$1@bagan.srce.hr:

> Remco wrote:
>> Just making sure we don't confuse djo.
>
> thanx :)
>
> here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems
> with the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with
> german aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this
> original ignitor was not completely "dead", but it had some problems
> every now and then. today i tried to put it back in, instead of this
> HUCO, but nothing changed, so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when
> the engine is cranked, the rotor spins, so it's not that either. i can
> smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the
> exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must be in order too.
>
> the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried
> to dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition
> coil, but i messed up the head on one bolt :(((
>
> btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on
> the distributor?
> i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...
>
>

Is the coil separate from the distributor cap? Some Honda/Acura products
are integrated coil/cap,IIRC.

Ever think about buying a Haynes manual?

--
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jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

djo wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>>Just making sure we don't confuse djo.
>
>
> thanx :)
>
> here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems with
> the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with german
> aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this original ignitor
> was not completely "dead", but it had some problems every now and then.
> today i tried to put it back in, instead of this HUCO, but nothing changed,
> so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when the engine is cranked, the rotor
> spins, so it's not that either. i can smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this
> US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must
> be in order too.
>
> the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried to
> dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition coil, but i
> messed up the head on one bolt :(((
>
> btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on the
> distributor?
> i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...
>
--------------------


If you can smell gas, you're flooded. Your Owner's manual says that a
flooded Honda has to be cranked with the pedal all the way to the floor
for up to 15 seconds, and then it will start.

Have you tried that one yet?

'Curly'

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

djo wrote:
> Remco wrote:
>
>>Just making sure we don't confuse djo.
>
>
> thanx :)
>
> here's the deal... it's definitely not the ignitor. i had sam problems with
> the ignitor last year, and had changed original NEC ignitor with german
> aftermarket HUCO ignitor, or something like that... this original ignitor
> was not completely "dead", but it had some problems every now and then.
> today i tried to put it back in, instead of this HUCO, but nothing changed,
> so i'm guessing it's not the ignitor. when the engine is cranked, the rotor
> spins, so it's not that either. i can smell gas/petrol (by the way, is this
> US or UK newsgroup? :) ) in the exhaust, so the fuel pump&accessories must
> be in order too.
>
> the only thing left that could be wrong is the ignition coil. i tried to
> dissassemble the distributor, in order to pull out the ignition coil, but i
> messed up the head on one bolt :(((
>
> btw. can someone please explain how to disconnect those two jacks on the
> distributor?
> i managed to pull one out, but the other one just wont go...
>
--------------------


If you can smell gas, you're flooded. Your Owner's manual says that a
flooded Honda has to be cranked with the pedal all the way to the floor
for up to 15 seconds, and then it will start.

Have you tried that one yet?

'Curly'

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _ wrote:
> If you can smell gas, you're flooded. Your Owner's manual says that a
> flooded Honda has to be cranked with the pedal all the way to the
> floor for up to 15 seconds, and then it will start.
>
> Have you tried that one yet?

no, will try. but still, i don't think that's the problem. i pulled out one
of the spark-plugs, and tried cranking the engine (with body of the
spark-plug grounded, of course), but there was no spark at the top of the
spark-plug...

so it's gotta be something with the ignition then...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

motsco_ _" <"motsco_ _ wrote:
> If you can smell gas, you're flooded. Your Owner's manual says that a
> flooded Honda has to be cranked with the pedal all the way to the
> floor for up to 15 seconds, and then it will start.
>
> Have you tried that one yet?

no, will try. but still, i don't think that's the problem. i pulled out one
of the spark-plugs, and tried cranking the engine (with body of the
spark-plug grounded, of course), but there was no spark at the top of the
spark-plug...

so it's gotta be something with the ignition then...

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Is the coil separate from the distributor cap? Some Honda/Acura
> products are integrated coil/cap,IIRC.

unfortunately not :(
the coil is right under the distibutor-cap. but i will have to dismantle the
whole distibutor, if
i want to take the coil out...

> Ever think about buying a Haynes manual?

couldn't find reasonable price for shipping to croatia :(

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

Jim Yanik wrote:
> Is the coil separate from the distributor cap? Some Honda/Acura
> products are integrated coil/cap,IIRC.

unfortunately not :(
the coil is right under the distibutor-cap. but i will have to dismantle the
whole distibutor, if
i want to take the coil out...

> Ever think about buying a Haynes manual?

couldn't find reasonable price for shipping to croatia :(

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Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

i had the same problemon a 1990 civic at christmas. i changed the main
relay, the distributor and the cap and rotor and that didnt fix it. as it
turned out it was the injectors. they were not getting enough fuel. i
changed trottle body and it now runs like a new car

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in message
news:cref41$cbo$1@bagan.srce.hr...
> the car turned back on me on NY's eve :(((
> here's the problem, i started it, and it just stopped aftert approx. 15
> seconds idling. after that, every attempt of starting it was useless. i
> inspected the sparkplugs, and apparently they are not getting fire. i'm
not
> getting any error codes...
>
> distributor cap and wires are ok.
> could it be the ignition coil?
>
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>
>

Re: 1991 civic won't start...
 

i had the same problemon a 1990 civic at christmas. i changed the main
relay, the distributor and the cap and rotor and that didnt fix it. as it
turned out it was the injectors. they were not getting enough fuel. i
changed trottle body and it now runs like a new car

"djo" <vebmejl@makniovoakosaljesmejlnet.hr> wrote in message
news:cref41$cbo$1@bagan.srce.hr...
> the car turned back on me on NY's eve :(((
> here's the problem, i started it, and it just stopped aftert approx. 15
> seconds idling. after that, every attempt of starting it was useless. i
> inspected the sparkplugs, and apparently they are not getting fire. i'm
not
> getting any error codes...
>
> distributor cap and wires are ok.
> could it be the ignition coil?
>
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>
>