1994 Honda Civic won't start
Hi,
My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to try to fix this without going into a shop. Related info: It's very humid, rainy. This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o repair. Thanks. |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
hutchtoo wrote:
> Hi, > > My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery > juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to > try to fix this without going into a shop. > > Related info: > It's very humid, rainy. > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o > repair. > Are you getting spark? Usually ignition problems that show up when it is humid or raining are related to your cap, rotor and wires. If it has been a while since they've been replaced, replace them. Use original Honda components - they are a little more expensive, but do tend to be better and last longer than aftermarket. You if you are not getting any kind of spark, it could also be your ignitor. This is an electronic component inside your distributor and commonly fails on Hondas. Here's some really good info on it: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#badigniter Hope you'll fix it soon. Remco |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
"hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> wrote in message news:6J-dndYBbPb2aY_eRVn-hg@rcn.net...
> My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery > juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to > try to fix this without going into a shop. > Related info: > It's very humid, rainy. > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o > repair. Looks like you are located in Waltham, Massachusetts. If it rainy and freezing I'd make sure the distributor seal is in perfect condition to keep the moisture out. Use dielectric grease to seal the ends of the plug wires. In this image distributor seal is part #10 http://www.slhondaparts.com/images/PCI/13SR40/017/6.jpg |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
"Remco" <whybcuz@yahoo.com> wrote
> hutchtoo wrote: > > Hi, > > > > My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery > > juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to > > try to fix this without going into a shop. > > > > Related info: > > It's very humid, rainy. > > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o > > repair. > > > > Are you getting spark? > Usually ignition problems that show up when it is humid or raining are > related to your cap, rotor and wires. I agree about the moisture, particularly affecting the distributor cap. I'd start with replacing the cap (the part costs about $20). Still no start, then change the plugs ($10-$20). Then the wires ($50-$75). Then the rotor ($15?). If you have a voltmeter, you should be able to check the resistance of the wires. Alternatively, post the age (in years and miles of each of the above), and people can comment further. > If it has been a while since they've been replaced, replace them. Use > original Honda components - they are a little more expensive, but do > tend to be better and last longer than aftermarket. > > You if you are not getting any kind of spark, it could also be your > ignitor. This is an electronic component inside your distributor and > commonly fails on Hondas. Agreed. A new ignitor will run about $100. Buy OEM everything. |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
hutchtoo wrote:
> > Hi, > > My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery > juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to > try to fix this without going into a shop. > > Related info: > It's very humid, rainy. > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o > repair. > > Thanks. ===================================== Hutchtoo, Don't go off pursuing any untamed ornithoids. (wild goose chase). Electronic components don't fail overnight. Spark plugs don't get fouled overnight. We had the same problem on our Odyssey. One morning it just wouldn't start. Spun good, but no start. If I had realized that one of my injectors had simply dripped a load of fuel into the engine overnight, I would have opened the Owner's Manual and found the part about how to start a 'flooded engine'. Hold the pedal to the floor crank the starter for up to fifteen seconds. When it starts to run, back off the pedal. It may blow a bit of smoke. Run a tank of Gasohol or a bottle of injector cleaner thru it. 'Curly' |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
"hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:6J-dndYBbPb2aY_eRVn-hg@rcn.net: > Hi, > > My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of > battery juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? > I'd like to try to fix this without going into a shop. > > Related info: > It's very humid, rainy. > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself > w/o repair. > > Thanks. > > It could also be a bad main relay. http://www.marklamond.co.uk/howto/el...main-relay.htm tegger.com is also a great Honda/Acura info database. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
Thanks all, this is great info.
I'll definitely try the 15-second test before replacing the distributor parts. I got this car in Nov 1994 and suspect most of these parts are nearly that old -- other than the plugs. Any recommendations on sources for original Honda parts? I prefer go to local shops like Lappens and NAPA, which mostly sell 3d party parts like Beck Arnley distributor parts. Thanks again. |
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> It could also be a bad main relay.
Good to know. Though both times this happened with a cold start (albeit in warm humid weather). Distributor assy seems to be the top suspect based on most of the feedback.... |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
hutchtoo wrote:
> Thanks all, this is great info. > > I'll definitely try the 15-second test before replacing the distributor > parts. > > I got this car in Nov 1994 and suspect most of these parts are nearly > that old -- other than the plugs. > > Any recommendations on sources for original Honda parts? I prefer go to > local shops like Lappens and NAPA, which mostly sell 3d party parts > like Beck Arnley distributor parts. > > Thanks again. If you end up replacing ignition components, replace them with OEM Honda: using aftermarket is just asking for trouble. |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
Are you in a hurry?
If not, I recommend www.slhonda.com (in California). Great drawings to find your parts. All OEM. Good service, based on my one order from them so far. Your parts should arrive within ten days or even a week. It's been reported here that some dealers (parts dept.) will give you www.slhonda.com's prices if you come to them with a printout of prices from slhonda. Also, Curly's point is a good one, by the way, AFAIC. On the other hand, the distributor, wire, and plug parts mentioned earlier all have to be changed out every few years anyway, so it's not like you're throwing money away. (Some folks are saying OEM Honda wires last a really long time, though... ) "hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> wrote > Any recommendations on sources for original Honda parts? I prefer go to > local shops like Lappens and NAPA, which mostly sell 3d party parts > like Beck Arnley distributor parts. |
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> > If you have a voltmeter, you should be able to check the resistance of the > wires. > <snip> How conclusive is this test? I've heard varying opinions. Greg. |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
In article <6J-dndYBbPb2aY_eRVn-hg@rcn.net>, "hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> writes: > > My 94 Honda Civic EX automatic will not start. It has plenty of battery > juice, and turns over, just no ignition. Any recommendations? I'd like to > try to fix this without going into a shop. > > Related info: > It's very humid, rainy. > This happened a once couple months ago, and seemed to resolv itself w/o > repair. (I don't know how technical you are - please pardon anything here that's blatantly obvious to you.) Have you checked for moisture in the distributor cap? That's the classic rainy-day ignition problem. (It's even been immortalized in song, by Ed's Redeeming Qualities: "And if your car won't start in the rain / New distributor cap".) Easy to check - label the plug wires (so you can be sure to put them back correctly!) and disconnect them from the distributor, remove the cap, and wipe the inside with a tissue or something similar to see if there's moisture inside. Cheap to fix, if it's just the cap - you can get a replacement cap and rotor for many cars from places like Carquest for under $20. (I don't know how much a '94 Civic's is, but it doesn't seem like something that'd be unusually expensive.) My '93 Civic EX (manual) had that problem, and also occasional stalling. Initially thought it was the alternator because when the car would start, alternator output often would be fine initially but then drop. Turned out that the ignition switch was bad, and some of the contacts were failing intermittently. Moisture seemed to aggravate the problem. Unfortunately, I didn't manage to diagnose this one myself - it was my shop that finally tracked it down, after I'd looked at the alternator and various other things - so I'm not sure what the best way to test for it would be. If removing the switch isn't difficult, I'd probably try checking it with an ohm meter for a reliable connection between the appropriate points at the various key positions. -- Michael Wojcik michael.wojcik@microfocus.com Is it any wonder the world's gone insane, with information come to be the only real medium of exchange? -- Thomas Pynchon |
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"Greg" <not_here@nospam.com> wrote
> > If you have a voltmeter, you should be able to check the resistance of the > > wires. > How conclusive is this test? I've heard varying opinions. If you mean that a wire whose resistance is in spec is not necessarily fine, then I agree. But if the resistance is way high, the spark at the plug will be inadequate, and this may be the cause of the no start. (Note: I am going on the assumption people have all-in-one electric meter gadgets that include both a voltmeter and ohmmeter, among other testing features. I just called these gadgets "voltmeters" for short.) Ways to check plug wires are discussed a lot on the web. Google for {plugs wires resistance check}, and see for example: http://www.inct.net/~autotips/plugwire.htm http://www.ehow.com/how_16427_replace-spark-plug.html (see the tips on wire testing at the bottom) http://ca.autos.yahoo.com/maintain/a...n_system2.html |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
"hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125336241.867122.84170@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com: >> It could also be a bad main relay. > > Good to know. Though both times this happened with a cold start (albeit > in warm humid weather). Distributor assy seems to be the top suspect > based on most of the feedback.... > > Actually, distributor cap and wires are both equally likely suspects. Moisture/insulation breakdown/cracks will all leak voltage to ground on wet days. This is the sort of thing regular maintenance prevents 100%. And use OEM. Forget the aftermarket . It's false economy. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 1994 Honda Civic won't start
"hutchtoo" <hutchtoo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1125336241.867122.84170@g49g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com: >> It could also be a bad main relay. > > Good to know. Though both times this happened with a cold start (albeit > in warm humid weather). A symptom of a bad MR.(not humidity,though) even just whacking the MR can temporarily 'fix' it and get your car started.Lose fuel pressure and your car will not start,and you can crank until the battery is dead. > Distributor assy seems to be the top suspect > based on most of the feedback.... > > Yes,but it's very easy to resolder the main relay and *eliminate* it as a source of trouble.Much easier than messing with the distributor. I note the others have you swapping parts right off the start. Parts cost money. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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