Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

On 9/27/03 4:24 PM, in article
billbjohnson555-2709031424430001@pm1...dialup.fix.net, "Bill B.
Johnson" <billbjohnson555@nospamhotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <vn9s77h28mg81c@corp.supernews.com>, "Lori"
> <ldalton@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>> While driving on the highway, I lost my power steering , alternator,
>> etc. Pulled over in a safe place, popped the hood and the belts are off to
>> the side NOT BROKEN - I checkout the alternator, looking for a seized pulley
>> etc then finally discovered my bottom pulley very loose and wobbley - looks
>> like the belts had come off because the waterpump bearing crapped out! Looks
>> like I'll be having fun fixing this one tomorrow!
>>
>> John
>> 1999 Honda Accord LX 2.3 VTEC
>
> I agree with other intelligent posters that told you that this was not a
> problem caused by Honda or the people on the assembly line that put
> together the Honda. The problem you mentioned appears to me to be a
> problem that has taken a long time to develop. The blame should be placed
> on whoever conducted the last tune-up. You should take the car to that
> person and demand that they repair it. If the mechanic refuses to repair
> it for free, take the car to a Honda dealership and have them repair it.
> Take the mechanic that failed to find the problem to small claims court
> and ask the judge to order him to pay the exact amount listed on the
> repair bill.

Last tune up? Isn't that pretty far fetched? Who checks the torque on the
crank bolt at a tune up, or at any other time for that matter? The only way
that bolt would be loose is if somebody has removed it for some reason.
Maybe a timing belt or water pump job? If either of those things has been
done, whoever did it is the one who should be called to answer.

If neither of those things have been done, did you have the recall done to
the balancer shaft seals? If so, they could have mis-torqued the bolt then.

That bolt does not come loose by itself if it has been properly torqued.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
bolt loose.

"E. Meyer" wrote:
> Last tune up? Isn't that pretty far fetched? Who checks the torque
> on the crank bolt at a tune up, or at any other time for that matter?
> The only way that bolt would be loose is if somebody has removed it
> for some reason. Maybe a timing belt or water pump job? If either
> of those things has been done, whoever did it is the one who should
> be called to answer.
>
> If neither of those things have been done, did you have the recall
> done to the balancer shaft seals? If so, they could have mis-torqued
> the bolt then.
>
> That bolt does not come loose by itself if it has been properly
> torqued.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
bolt loose.

"E. Meyer" wrote:
> Last tune up? Isn't that pretty far fetched? Who checks the torque
> on the crank bolt at a tune up, or at any other time for that matter?
> The only way that bolt would be loose is if somebody has removed it
> for some reason. Maybe a timing belt or water pump job? If either
> of those things has been done, whoever did it is the one who should
> be called to answer.
>
> If neither of those things have been done, did you have the recall
> done to the balancer shaft seals? If so, they could have mis-torqued
> the bolt then.
>
> That bolt does not come loose by itself if it has been properly
> torqued.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
bolt loose.

"E. Meyer" wrote:
> Last tune up? Isn't that pretty far fetched? Who checks the torque
> on the crank bolt at a tune up, or at any other time for that matter?
> The only way that bolt would be loose is if somebody has removed it
> for some reason. Maybe a timing belt or water pump job? If either
> of those things has been done, whoever did it is the one who should
> be called to answer.
>
> If neither of those things have been done, did you have the recall
> done to the balancer shaft seals? If so, they could have mis-torqued
> the bolt then.
>
> That bolt does not come loose by itself if it has been properly
> torqued.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

w_tom wrote:
>
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

Not exactly. When looking at the front of the motor, the crank normally turns
counter clockwise. Turning the engine in this direction is the correct
direction even though it's in the direction that could loosen the bolt. One
should note here that turning the engine over with hand tools during a valve
adjustment should never loosen a properly torqued crank pulley bolt.

However, there's another problem that can occur if the tech left their socket
and ratchet on the crank pulley bolt and tried to crank the engine over using
the starter motor. This action would typically cause the ratchet to tighten the
bolt as it swung around and locked up on the suspension. It's easy to break the
crank pulley bolt if this mistake is made especially if 1/2" drive hand tools
are used.

Eric

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

w_tom wrote:
>
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

Not exactly. When looking at the front of the motor, the crank normally turns
counter clockwise. Turning the engine in this direction is the correct
direction even though it's in the direction that could loosen the bolt. One
should note here that turning the engine over with hand tools during a valve
adjustment should never loosen a properly torqued crank pulley bolt.

However, there's another problem that can occur if the tech left their socket
and ratchet on the crank pulley bolt and tried to crank the engine over using
the starter motor. This action would typically cause the ratchet to tighten the
bolt as it swung around and locked up on the suspension. It's easy to break the
crank pulley bolt if this mistake is made especially if 1/2" drive hand tools
are used.

Eric

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

w_tom wrote:
>
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

Not exactly. When looking at the front of the motor, the crank normally turns
counter clockwise. Turning the engine in this direction is the correct
direction even though it's in the direction that could loosen the bolt. One
should note here that turning the engine over with hand tools during a valve
adjustment should never loosen a properly torqued crank pulley bolt.

However, there's another problem that can occur if the tech left their socket
and ratchet on the crank pulley bolt and tried to crank the engine over using
the starter motor. This action would typically cause the ratchet to tighten the
bolt as it swung around and locked up on the suspension. It's easy to break the
crank pulley bolt if this mistake is made especially if 1/2" drive hand tools
are used.

Eric

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F7629E2.F71A895B@hotmail.com...
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty stuck on
with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and there's no way
turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F7629E2.F71A895B@hotmail.com...
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty stuck on
with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and there's no way
turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

"w_tom" <w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3F7629E2.F71A895B@hotmail.com...
> Crank bolt is used to rotate engine when performing valve
> adjustments. If mechanic rotated crankshaft in wrong
> direction, then that bolt could have been loosened. But
> 'excessive' torque would have been necessary to break that
> bolt loose.

I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty stuck on
with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and there's no way
turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crankshaft bolt is normally torqued to something like 70
foot pounds. Yes, it takes quite a sharp force to break this
bolt loose. However it can be broken loose if, for example,
the mechanic gave the shaft a good quick jerk to move valves
into next position. We don't know why that bolt is loose, but
we do know that it takes a strong rotation with a torque
wrench to loosen it AND that mechanics rotate the crankshaft
by attaching a torque wrench to that bolt. From those facts we
can only speculate.

redeyedevil wrote:
> I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty
> stuck on with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and
> there's no way turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crankshaft bolt is normally torqued to something like 70
foot pounds. Yes, it takes quite a sharp force to break this
bolt loose. However it can be broken loose if, for example,
the mechanic gave the shaft a good quick jerk to move valves
into next position. We don't know why that bolt is loose, but
we do know that it takes a strong rotation with a torque
wrench to loosen it AND that mechanics rotate the crankshaft
by attaching a torque wrench to that bolt. From those facts we
can only speculate.

redeyedevil wrote:
> I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty
> stuck on with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and
> there's no way turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

Crankshaft bolt is normally torqued to something like 70
foot pounds. Yes, it takes quite a sharp force to break this
bolt loose. However it can be broken loose if, for example,
the mechanic gave the shaft a good quick jerk to move valves
into next position. We don't know why that bolt is loose, but
we do know that it takes a strong rotation with a torque
wrench to loosen it AND that mechanics rotate the crankshaft
by attaching a torque wrench to that bolt. From those facts we
can only speculate.

redeyedevil wrote:
> I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty
> stuck on with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and
> there's no way turning the engine would loose the bolt.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

On 9/28/03 11:27 PM, in article 3F77B4BC.D1EF2FF@hotmail.com, "w_tom"
<w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Crankshaft bolt is normally torqued to something like 70
> foot pounds. Yes, it takes quite a sharp force to break this
> bolt loose. However it can be broken loose if, for example,
> the mechanic gave the shaft a good quick jerk to move valves
> into next position. We don't know why that bolt is loose, but
> we do know that it takes a strong rotation with a torque
> wrench to loosen it AND that mechanics rotate the crankshaft
> by attaching a torque wrench to that bolt. From those facts we
> can only speculate.
>
> redeyedevil wrote:
>> I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty
>> stuck on with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and
>> there's no way turning the engine would loose the bolt.


70? No. Try somewhere in the neighborhood of twice that much. There is no
way it is coming loose by giving it a "quick jerk". Loosening this bolt
normally involves air wrenches or 4 foot long breaker bar extensions and
lots of cursing.

The only scenarios that have been put forth here that would have it loosened
are 1) recently removed by someone for access to the timing belt/water pump,
or 2) some clown left a wrench on it and tried to crank the engine.

Re: 1999 Honda Accord Died Today
 

On 9/28/03 11:27 PM, in article 3F77B4BC.D1EF2FF@hotmail.com, "w_tom"
<w_tom1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Crankshaft bolt is normally torqued to something like 70
> foot pounds. Yes, it takes quite a sharp force to break this
> bolt loose. However it can be broken loose if, for example,
> the mechanic gave the shaft a good quick jerk to move valves
> into next position. We don't know why that bolt is loose, but
> we do know that it takes a strong rotation with a torque
> wrench to loosen it AND that mechanics rotate the crankshaft
> by attaching a torque wrench to that bolt. From those facts we
> can only speculate.
>
> redeyedevil wrote:
>> I do not know about the Accord, but on the Civic the bolt is pretty
>> stuck on with a couple (maybe even few) hundred foot-pound, and
>> there's no way turning the engine would loose the bolt.


70? No. Try somewhere in the neighborhood of twice that much. There is no
way it is coming loose by giving it a "quick jerk". Loosening this bolt
normally involves air wrenches or 4 foot long breaker bar extensions and
lots of cursing.

The only scenarios that have been put forth here that would have it loosened
are 1) recently removed by someone for access to the timing belt/water pump,
or 2) some clown left a wrench on it and tried to crank the engine.