Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Hoover wrote:
> turns out it was the belt pulley - it's fixed.

good.


>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:LpidnVqhGoj7CG3bnZ2dnUVZ_qzinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Longstreet wrote:
>>> i took the car over today - they found a slight leak in the pump, which
>>> supposedly caused the brake fluid to leak too - I did a complete service,
>>> which was overdue, and they told me the belts, everything else were fine.
>>> They said the noise may be there for the next 100,000 miles but said it's
>>> in perfect condition - thoughts?
>> yes, i think they're blowing smoke - hondas don't make noises like that
>> normally, and if they do, they certainly won't last for 100k miles.
>>
>> if the pump seal is leaking, it's not long after that until the bearing
>> goes. then the timing belt goes and you lose valves/pistons in your
>> interference engine.
>>
>> find a different mechanic and get a second opinion.
>>
>>
>>> <2003 Honda owner> wrote in message
>>> news:k6vse3l0h1278b4pb3e8mfjc19u5khbifg@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:45:43 -0700, "Howard Lester"
>>>> <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Brian Smith" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-) Yeah, that was pretty dumb, huh? OK, let me try it a different
>>>>>>> way:
>>>>>>> where *replacing* a timing belt is concerned, the owner's manual
>>>>>>> indicates it's necessary only in the 6 cylinder. How's that?
>>>>>> In the Owners Manuals of all of my 4 cylinder Honda cars ('79, '83,
>>>>>> '85, '88, another '88, '91, '94 and '97) they stated the timing belt
>>>>>> should be replaced around 96,000 kilometres. The '01 V6 required the
>>>>>> timing belt to be changed at 160,000 kilometres.
>>>>> But in '03 apparently things must have changed. My Accord is an '04
>>>>> 4-cylinder. The Service Interval section of the Owner's Manual refers
>>>>> to
>>>>> changing the timing belt at 105,000 miles, or 60,000 miles severe
>>>>> service,
>>>>> and specifies "6-cylinder only." In the 4-cylinder Service Interval
>>>>> section
>>>>> of the manual there is no reference at all to a timing belt, intimating
>>>>> there is no service required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, Your Honor, I conclude....
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, what about this OP's whirring noise? :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Brian's right, you need to read your owner's manual again and think
>>>> about this. I am not sure about the 2004 Accord vs. 2003 Accord tho I
>>>> suspect the same for the 4 cylinder engine. Maybe someone can confirm
>>>> this ????
>>>>
>>>> For the 2003 4cyl Accord, it specifies a drive belt which includes
>>>> timing as part of functions. For this belt is says to inspect it at
>>>> certain intervals and depending on the findings, it may need to be
>>>> replaced.
>>>>
>>>> ref (2003 Accord sedan) :
>>>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/...303O00302B.pdf
>>>> and
>>>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/...303O00248B.pdf
>>>> (see page 250 and 252)
>>>>
>>>> ref (2004 Accord sedan) :
>>>> https://techinfo.honda.com/rjanisis/...404O00234B.pdf
>>>> (pg 235)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps !!
>

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
> news:13erakstcm8ll53@corp.supernews.com...
>> 4 or 6 cyl? How many miles? (Only 6 cyl's have a timing belt per my '04
>> manual.)
>
> You had better read another manual. {;^)
>
>

Modern Honda 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain, not a replaceable
timing belt. The V-6s still use a belt.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in message
> news:13erakstcm8ll53@corp.supernews.com...
>> 4 or 6 cyl? How many miles? (Only 6 cyl's have a timing belt per my '04
>> manual.)
>
> You had better read another manual. {;^)
>
>

Modern Honda 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain, not a replaceable
timing belt. The V-6s still use a belt.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Howard Lester wrote:

>
> But in '03 apparently things must have changed. My Accord is an '04
> 4-cylinder. The Service Interval section of the Owner's Manual refers to
> changing the timing belt at 105,000 miles, or 60,000 miles severe service,
> and specifies "6-cylinder only." In the 4-cylinder Service Interval section
> of the manual there is no reference at all to a timing belt, intimating
> there is no service required.
>

Change they did. Honda's current 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain.
Many customers are really unhappy about having to pay for costly
timing belt replacements and thus many companies are going back to
timing chains.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Howard Lester wrote:

>
> But in '03 apparently things must have changed. My Accord is an '04
> 4-cylinder. The Service Interval section of the Owner's Manual refers to
> changing the timing belt at 105,000 miles, or 60,000 miles severe service,
> and specifies "6-cylinder only." In the 4-cylinder Service Interval section
> of the manual there is no reference at all to a timing belt, intimating
> there is no service required.
>

Change they did. Honda's current 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain.
Many customers are really unhappy about having to pay for costly
timing belt replacements and thus many companies are going back to
timing chains.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Hancock wrote:
> it's a 6 cylinder, 70,000 miles
>

My guess would be that it is either the accessory drive belt or one of
the things it runs such as the alternator or power steering pump.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Hancock wrote:
> it's a 6 cylinder, 70,000 miles
>

My guess would be that it is either the accessory drive belt or one of
the things it runs such as the alternator or power steering pump.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Hancock wrote:
> thanks - I thought it was the belt - any idea of the cost to replace this?
>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:pLSdnWEGr_BBC3DbnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Hancock wrote:
>>> Any ideas? It started just yesterday - it's very noticeable when
>>> accelerating and appears to be coming from the belt area on the driver's
>>> side under the hood.
>> timing belt about to break?
>>
>> inspect asap and quit driving until fixed.
>
>

I doubt it is the timing belt, but it might be the accessory drive belt.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

Hancock wrote:
> thanks - I thought it was the belt - any idea of the cost to replace this?
>
> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
> news:pLSdnWEGr_BBC3DbnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Hancock wrote:
>>> Any ideas? It started just yesterday - it's very noticeable when
>>> accelerating and appears to be coming from the belt area on the driver's
>>> side under the hood.
>> timing belt about to break?
>>
>> inspect asap and quit driving until fixed.
>
>

I doubt it is the timing belt, but it might be the accessory drive belt.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

John Horner wrote:
> Hancock wrote:
>> thanks - I thought it was the belt - any idea of the cost to replace
>> this?
>>
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:pLSdnWEGr_BBC3DbnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Hancock wrote:
>>>> Any ideas? It started just yesterday - it's very noticeable when
>>>> accelerating and appears to be coming from the belt area on the
>>>> driver's side under the hood.
>>> timing belt about to break?
>>>
>>> inspect asap and quit driving until fixed.
>>
>>
>
> I doubt it is the timing belt, but it might be the accessory drive belt.

you'd better hope you're right! when timing belts fray, they /do/ make
a whining noise. ignoring that costs real dollars.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

John Horner wrote:
> Hancock wrote:
>> thanks - I thought it was the belt - any idea of the cost to replace
>> this?
>>
>> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message
>> news:pLSdnWEGr_BBC3DbnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Hancock wrote:
>>>> Any ideas? It started just yesterday - it's very noticeable when
>>>> accelerating and appears to be coming from the belt area on the
>>>> driver's side under the hood.
>>> timing belt about to break?
>>>
>>> inspect asap and quit driving until fixed.
>>
>>
>
> I doubt it is the timing belt, but it might be the accessory drive belt.

you'd better hope you're right! when timing belts fray, they /do/ make
a whining noise. ignoring that costs real dollars.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

John Horner wrote:
> Howard Lester wrote:
>
>>
>> But in '03 apparently things must have changed. My Accord is an '04
>> 4-cylinder. The Service Interval section of the Owner's Manual refers
>> to changing the timing belt at 105,000 miles, or 60,000 miles severe
>> service, and specifies "6-cylinder only." In the 4-cylinder Service
>> Interval section of the manual there is no reference at all to a
>> timing belt, intimating there is no service required.
>>
>
> Change they did. Honda's current 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain.
> Many customers are really unhappy about having to pay for costly
> timing belt replacements and thus many companies are going back to
> timing chains.

it's bizarre that in a time of improving emissions control,
manufacturers would do that. as chains stretch, valve timing drifts and
so consequently, does emissions. belts don't stretch ans remain dead-on
accurate through their whole service life.

and car owners getting ripped off by unscrupulous dealers and repair
shops for over-expensive belt changes if not going to disappear because
of a chain - there will always be something else to hose the customer with.

Re: 2003 Accord Whirring Noise in Engine?
 

John Horner wrote:
> Howard Lester wrote:
>
>>
>> But in '03 apparently things must have changed. My Accord is an '04
>> 4-cylinder. The Service Interval section of the Owner's Manual refers
>> to changing the timing belt at 105,000 miles, or 60,000 miles severe
>> service, and specifies "6-cylinder only." In the 4-cylinder Service
>> Interval section of the manual there is no reference at all to a
>> timing belt, intimating there is no service required.
>>
>
> Change they did. Honda's current 4 cylinder engines use a timing chain.
> Many customers are really unhappy about having to pay for costly
> timing belt replacements and thus many companies are going back to
> timing chains.

it's bizarre that in a time of improving emissions control,
manufacturers would do that. as chains stretch, valve timing drifts and
so consequently, does emissions. belts don't stretch ans remain dead-on
accurate through their whole service life.

and car owners getting ripped off by unscrupulous dealers and repair
shops for over-expensive belt changes if not going to disappear because
of a chain - there will always be something else to hose the customer with.