Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
inferior suspension cludge.

keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
the job's not done right.

Larry B. wrote:
> Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road. This
> can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Larry B.
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>
>>Michelle wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>
>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>pull quickly to the right.
>>>
>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>
>
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
inferior suspension cludge.

keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
the job's not done right.

Larry B. wrote:
> Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road. This
> can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>
> Just a thought
>
> Larry B.
>
> jim beam wrote:
>
>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>
>>Michelle wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>
>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>pull quickly to the right.
>>>
>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>
>
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

Did you bought it new?
It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
might be wrong.
Good luck!
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
> following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
> that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
> inferior suspension cludge.
>
> keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
> problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
> don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
> rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
> run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
> the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
> the job's not done right.
>
> Larry B. wrote:
> > Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> > cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> > middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
This
> > can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
> >
> > Just a thought
> >
> > Larry B.
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >
> >>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
> >>
> >>Michelle wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi there,
> >>>
> >>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
> >>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
> >>>
> >>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
> >>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
> >>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
> >>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
> >>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
> >>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
> >>>pull quickly to the right.
> >>>
> >>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

Did you bought it new?
It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
might be wrong.
Good luck!
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
> following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
> that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
> inferior suspension cludge.
>
> keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
> problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
> don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
> rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
> run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
> the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
> the job's not done right.
>
> Larry B. wrote:
> > Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> > cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> > middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
This
> > can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
> >
> > Just a thought
> >
> > Larry B.
> >
> > jim beam wrote:
> >
> >>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
> >>
> >>Michelle wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hi there,
> >>>
> >>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
> >>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
> >>>
> >>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
> >>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
> >>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
> >>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
> >>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
> >>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
> >>>pull quickly to the right.
> >>>
> >>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...

PT wrote:
> Did you bought it new?
> It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
> I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
> will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
> might be wrong.
> Good luck!
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
>>wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
>>following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
>>that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
>>inferior suspension cludge.
>>
>>keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
>>problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
>>don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
>>rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
>>run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
>>the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
>>the job's not done right.
>>
>>Larry B. wrote:
>>
>>>Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
>>>cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
>>>middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
>
> This
>
>>>can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>>>
>>>Just a thought
>>>
>>>Larry B.
>>>
>>>jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>>>
>>>>Michelle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>>>pull quickly to the right.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...

PT wrote:
> Did you bought it new?
> It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
> I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
> will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
> might be wrong.
> Good luck!
> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>
>>wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
>>following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
>>that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
>>inferior suspension cludge.
>>
>>keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
>>problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
>>don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
>>rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
>>run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
>>the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
>>the job's not done right.
>>
>>Larry B. wrote:
>>
>>>Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
>>>cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
>>>middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
>
> This
>
>>>can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>>>
>>>Just a thought
>>>
>>>Larry B.
>>>
>>>jim beam wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>>>
>>>>Michelle wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>>>
>>>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>>>pull quickly to the right.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

You might want to check the conditions for your state's lemon law...

JT




Michelle wrote:
>
> Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
> had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
> happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...
>
> PT wrote:
> > Did you bought it new?
> > It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
> > I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
> > will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
> > might be wrong.
> > Good luck!
> > "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> >
> >>wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
> >>following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
> >>that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
> >>inferior suspension cludge.
> >>
> >>keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
> >>problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
> >>don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
> >>rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
> >>run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
> >>the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
> >>the job's not done right.
> >>
> >>Larry B. wrote:
> >>
> >>>Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> >>>cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> >>>middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
> >
> > This
> >
> >>>can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
> >>>
> >>>Just a thought
> >>>
> >>>Larry B.
> >>>
> >>>jim beam wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
> >>>>
> >>>>Michelle wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi there,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
> >>>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
> >>>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
> >>>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
> >>>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
> >>>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
> >>>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
> >>>>>pull quickly to the right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

You might want to check the conditions for your state's lemon law...

JT




Michelle wrote:
>
> Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
> had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
> happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...
>
> PT wrote:
> > Did you bought it new?
> > It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
> > I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
> > will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
> > might be wrong.
> > Good luck!
> > "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
> > news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
> >
> >>wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
> >>following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
> >>that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
> >>inferior suspension cludge.
> >>
> >>keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
> >>problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
> >>don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
> >>rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
> >>run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
> >>the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
> >>the job's not done right.
> >>
> >>Larry B. wrote:
> >>
> >>>Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
> >>>cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
> >>>middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
> >
> > This
> >
> >>>can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
> >>>
> >>>Just a thought
> >>>
> >>>Larry B.
> >>>
> >>>jim beam wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
> >>>>
> >>>>Michelle wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi there,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
> >>>>>was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
> >>>>>the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
> >>>>>have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
> >>>>>steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
> >>>>>can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
> >>>>>stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
> >>>>>pull quickly to the right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Can anyone think of a reason for this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >

--
JT

Just tooling through cyberspace in my ancient G4

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

i test drove a brand new one like that. the sales lizard blandly told
me it was a design feature - lying ass.

keep taking it back - to a different dealer if necessary.

and then, as mentioned by grumpy, investigate lemon law. it should not
be happening. if it can't be fixed, the frame is bent, and that's
unacceptible for a brand new vehicle on which you've just paid full price.

Michelle wrote:
> Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
> had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
> happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...
>
> PT wrote:
>
>> Did you bought it new?
>> It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
>> I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
>> will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
>> might be wrong.
>> Good luck!
>> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>
>>> wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
>>> following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
>>> that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
>>> inferior suspension cludge.
>>>
>>> keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
>>> problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
>>> don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
>>> rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
>>> run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
>>> the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
>>> the job's not done right.
>>>
>>> Larry B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
>>>> cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
>>>> middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
>>
>>
>> This
>>
>>>> can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought
>>>>
>>>> Larry B.
>>>>
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michelle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>>>> was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>>>> the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>>>> have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>>>> steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>>>> can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>>>> stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>>>> pull quickly to the right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>

Re: 2003 Civic Veering to the Right - Possible Causes?
 

i test drove a brand new one like that. the sales lizard blandly told
me it was a design feature - lying ass.

keep taking it back - to a different dealer if necessary.

and then, as mentioned by grumpy, investigate lemon law. it should not
be happening. if it can't be fixed, the frame is bent, and that's
unacceptible for a brand new vehicle on which you've just paid full price.

Michelle wrote:
> Nope - I brought it brand new, and it's still under warranty. The just
> had it in the shop, did a wheel alignment and balancing yet it still
> happens. They're saying that can't see what the problem is...
>
> PT wrote:
>
>> Did you bought it new?
>> It sounds like an accidented car...not sure .
>> I've heard stories about that that once a car has actual frame damage it
>> will mostly be impossible to brign it back to factory specs.But again i
>> might be wrong.
>> Good luck!
>> "jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
>> news:OIudndvcOfM3rc3cRVn-hA@comcast.com...
>>
>>> wishbone suspension like the 2000 civic & earlier is well known for
>>> following camber. mcpherson, like the 2001 & later is not. indeed,
>>> that's probably the /only/ excuse for using what is essentially a cheap
>>> inferior suspension cludge.
>>>
>>> keep taking it back until the alignment shop gets it right. a frequent
>>> problem is that when the sensors just get slapped onto the rims, they
>>> don't get positioned quite right. likewise, the wheels should be
>>> rotated with sensors on so the machine can calibrate and allow for any
>>> run-out in the rim. 2mm run-out is within spec. that's greater than
>>> the tolerance on alignment, so you can see how to get false readings if
>>> the job's not done right.
>>>
>>> Larry B. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Perhaps the car needs an alignment but it is probably within specs. One
>>>> cause could be that most roads have some kind of camber (crowned in the
>>>> middle) and your car is following the natural curvature of the road.
>>
>>
>> This
>>
>>>> can be compensated for in the alignment to some degree.
>>>>
>>>> Just a thought
>>>>
>>>> Larry B.
>>>>
>>>> jim beam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you need a new mechanic. your car needs a 4 wheel alignment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michelle wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A mechanic recently looked at my car, and could find what the problem
>>>>>> was, so the following isn't due wheel alignment, balancing, whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I'm driving in a straight line and let go of the steering wheel,
>>>>>> the car starts to veer to the right. To drive in a straight line, I
>>>>>> have to actually use (a tiny, tiny bit of) force to push the
>>>>>> steering wheel to the left. When I'm on a long turn to the right, I
>>>>>> can turn the steering wheel, let go, and the steering wheel will
>>>>>> stay where I left it. If I do the same thing on a left turn, it will
>>>>>> pull quickly to the right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone think of a reason for this?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>