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Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-34F146.06443923062007@nntp1.usenetserver.com... > In article <89CdnSy-V9LrFOHbnZ2dnUVZ_v-tnZ2d@sedona.net>, > "Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote: > >> >> I think 3K is awfully short. > > Doesn't change the fact that it's cheap insurance on any car. > > Cheap insurance against what, exactly? This thread is heavily cross-posted, so it offers us the voice of a lot of experience. Everybody, everywhere, when was the last time you saw an engine that actually suffered from 5K mile oil changes? Even 10K mile? (Note the specific exception below.) And how many have you seen fail because of timing belt neglect or head gasket failure? Have you ever heard (in recent times) of an oil analysis at 5K miles saying the oil was no longer usable? Or even at 10K miles? Have you heard of any engine (again, in the last 30 years or so) that suffered damage or sludge from 5K change intervals? My view is well summarized in http://www.nordicgroup.us/oil.htm#Oi...ge%20Intervals - 3K oil changes are from days long gone except as recommended by those entities that wish the instructions could say "drain, fill, repeat." The previously mentioned site noted that engines with hydraulic timing chain snubbers are an exception, and I agree with that. I would also expand it to any engine with internal hydraulics, like variable valve timing engines. However, I think higher detergency oils are a more important factor in those engines than excessively frequent oil changes. Mike |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. > > I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an > engine. > > Jeff DeWitt Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. > > I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an > engine. > > Jeff DeWitt Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... > Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. > > I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an > engine. > > Jeff DeWitt Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and remember how the new fangled things work :) Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. But it takes him all day. Take care. Ken |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and remember how the new fangled things work :) Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. But it takes him all day. Take care. Ken |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and remember how the new fangled things work :) Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light bulb? Just one. But it takes him all day. Take care. Ken |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Ken Weitzel" <kweitzel@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:fDefi.56956$xq1.45003@pd7urf1no... > mack wrote: >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >>> >>> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than >>> an engine. >>> >>> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have >> either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. >> I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten >> minutes. > > Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and > remember how the new fangled things work :) > > Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? > > Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light > bulb? > > Just one. But it takes him all day. > > Take care. > > Ken In the case of this retired guy, it takes me three days - one to decide if the bulb is, in fact, burned out. One to actually decide to change it, and one to actually get it done. As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. I know 3,000 may be a little soon in today's oil world, but it forces me under the car to check it out. Rich |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Ken Weitzel" <kweitzel@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:fDefi.56956$xq1.45003@pd7urf1no... > mack wrote: >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >>> >>> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than >>> an engine. >>> >>> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have >> either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. >> I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten >> minutes. > > Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and > remember how the new fangled things work :) > > Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? > > Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light > bulb? > > Just one. But it takes him all day. > > Take care. > > Ken In the case of this retired guy, it takes me three days - one to decide if the bulb is, in fact, burned out. One to actually decide to change it, and one to actually get it done. As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. I know 3,000 may be a little soon in today's oil world, but it forces me under the car to check it out. Rich |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"Ken Weitzel" <kweitzel@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:fDefi.56956$xq1.45003@pd7urf1no... > mack wrote: >> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >>> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >>> >>> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than >>> an engine. >>> >>> Jeff DeWitt >> >> Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have >> either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. >> I (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten >> minutes. > > Yikes, take me ten minutes to get the durned jack out of the trunk and > remember how the new fangled things work :) > > Course I'm old and long retired anyways, so who cares? > > Reminds me - how many old retired guys does it take to change a light > bulb? > > Just one. But it takes him all day. > > Take care. > > Ken In the case of this retired guy, it takes me three days - one to decide if the bulb is, in fact, burned out. One to actually decide to change it, and one to actually get it done. As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. I know 3,000 may be a little soon in today's oil world, but it forces me under the car to check it out. Rich |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. > > Nope, neither one, I've got a Cherokee and don't have to lift it up to change the oil, same is true of my Studebaker Champ. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. > > Nope, neither one, I've got a Cherokee and don't have to lift it up to change the oil, same is true of my Studebaker Champ. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mack wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message > news:467c94cb$0$24778$4c368faf@roadrunner.com... >> Costs me about $12 and takes maybe 10 min. >> >> I do it myself, about every 3000-3500 miles, oil is a LOT cheaper than an >> engine. >> >> Jeff DeWitt > > Okay, Jeff, but if your oil change takes only ten minutes, you must have > either a hydraulic hoist or a lubrication pit built into your garage. I > (and most people) couldn't get the front wheels onto jacks in ten minutes. > > Nope, neither one, I've got a Cherokee and don't have to lift it up to change the oil, same is true of my Studebaker Champ. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"mookie" <z@tink.net> wrote in message > As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The > Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check > the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole > process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. Yep, I used to do it like that too. Last time though, was my '91 Regal. What PITA to get to the filter without a lift (I have ramps). After that I found it much easier to pay $24.95, especially in the winter. When it is on the lift at Bill's, it take a look underneath while he is changing the filter and checking the tires. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"mookie" <z@tink.net> wrote in message > As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The > Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check > the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole > process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. Yep, I used to do it like that too. Last time though, was my '91 Regal. What PITA to get to the filter without a lift (I have ramps). After that I found it much easier to pay $24.95, especially in the winter. When it is on the lift at Bill's, it take a look underneath while he is changing the filter and checking the tires. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
"mookie" <z@tink.net> wrote in message > As for the ten minutes, I make the oil change a complete check over. The > Optima is the car wife drives, so I want no surprises for her. I check > the tires, lube the door hinges, check the bulbs, etc., etc., etc. Whole > process, including getting the ramps out/put away takes ½ hour. Yep, I used to do it like that too. Last time though, was my '91 Regal. What PITA to get to the filter without a lift (I have ramps). After that I found it much easier to pay $24.95, especially in the winter. When it is on the lift at Bill's, it take a look underneath while he is changing the filter and checking the tires. |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
> my Studebaker Champ.
Now THAT brings back some memories.... |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
> my Studebaker Champ.
Now THAT brings back some memories.... |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
> my Studebaker Champ.
Now THAT brings back some memories.... |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mookie wrote:
>> my Studebaker Champ. > > Now THAT brings back some memories.... Both coming and going :) |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mookie wrote:
>> my Studebaker Champ. > > Now THAT brings back some memories.... Both coming and going :) |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
mookie wrote:
>> my Studebaker Champ. > > Now THAT brings back some memories.... Both coming and going :) |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Ken Weitzel wrote:
> mookie wrote: >>> my Studebaker Champ. >> >> Now THAT brings back some memories.... > > Both coming and going :) > Yep <G> But my Champ is the one from 1960, the pickup truck not the Champion sedan from earlier years. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Ken Weitzel wrote:
> mookie wrote: >>> my Studebaker Champ. >> >> Now THAT brings back some memories.... > > Both coming and going :) > Yep <G> But my Champ is the one from 1960, the pickup truck not the Champion sedan from earlier years. Jeff DeWitt |
Re: 2004 Kia Optima
Ken Weitzel wrote:
> mookie wrote: >>> my Studebaker Champ. >> >> Now THAT brings back some memories.... > > Both coming and going :) > Yep <G> But my Champ is the one from 1960, the pickup truck not the Champion sedan from earlier years. Jeff DeWitt |
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