Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <1113913686.622771.268980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience or opinions regarding the new hybrids?
> I know they're more expensive, but they have both the v6 and good gas
> mileage.

Not GREAT gas mileage.

You'll get much better out of a 4 cyl Accord. Honda's philosophy on
their hybrid Accord is that you'll get great 6 cyl power with better
than typical 6 cyl gas mileage.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <1113913686.622771.268980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience or opinions regarding the new hybrids?
> I know they're more expensive, but they have both the v6 and good gas
> mileage.

Not GREAT gas mileage.

You'll get much better out of a 4 cyl Accord. Honda's philosophy on
their hybrid Accord is that you'll get great 6 cyl power with better
than typical 6 cyl gas mileage.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <urOdnasAicQk-_nfRVn-1Q@comcast.com>, "L Alpert"
<alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:

> DCDev wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I am looking to buy a 2005 Accord, but would like some advice on a
> > few questions? First, 4 or 6 cylinder? I currently own a '94 6
> > cylinder maxima (160 hp). I live in the lower hudson valley region of
> > new york. I do a great deal of driving, both highway and local roads.
> > I commute 35 miles each way to work, and I frequently drive to long
> > island. This means that I drive in every condition -- flat ground,
> > large hills, high speed, stop-and go traffic, snow, etc. Which engine
> > would you recommend? I know this is a recent model, but what is the
> > difference in maintenance and reliability? Handling? DIY
> > maintenance? Money is an issue because I am a recent college grad
> > without much of it. However, I am willing to finance and spend the
> > extra if there is a big gain in the v6.
> > In addition to the cylinders, does the accord have a timing belt
> > or a timing chain?
> > As for pricing, does anyone have an idea of what the wholesale
> > price for the accord would be in new york? If anyone else has bought
> > a car in this region, would you mind telling me how much I can expect
> > to knock off the sticker?
> > Are there any common problems that have arisen with this model?
> > Are there any alternative cars you would recommend looking at? Thank
> > you for any advice you can offer...
>
> I have a 2004 V6, and my daughter has the 4 cyl. About 7-8 MPG better with
> the 4, pretty peppy for a four. Have to downshift up large incline grades at
> high elevations (we drive some mountain roads going out to Tahoe), but other
> then that, you may want to go with the better mileage.....

Get the 4 cyld--it's much cheaper than the 6 cyld. Hybrid and gets as good
or better gas mileage than the Hybrid. I agree with the poster that said
that the cost of gas will be a problem in the next several years. The 4
cyld. gets much better gas mileage than the 6 cyld. Accord--it also has
lots of power. Also, get the EX model since it has the most features.

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Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <urOdnasAicQk-_nfRVn-1Q@comcast.com>, "L Alpert"
<alpertl@xxgmail.com> wrote:

> DCDev wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > I am looking to buy a 2005 Accord, but would like some advice on a
> > few questions? First, 4 or 6 cylinder? I currently own a '94 6
> > cylinder maxima (160 hp). I live in the lower hudson valley region of
> > new york. I do a great deal of driving, both highway and local roads.
> > I commute 35 miles each way to work, and I frequently drive to long
> > island. This means that I drive in every condition -- flat ground,
> > large hills, high speed, stop-and go traffic, snow, etc. Which engine
> > would you recommend? I know this is a recent model, but what is the
> > difference in maintenance and reliability? Handling? DIY
> > maintenance? Money is an issue because I am a recent college grad
> > without much of it. However, I am willing to finance and spend the
> > extra if there is a big gain in the v6.
> > In addition to the cylinders, does the accord have a timing belt
> > or a timing chain?
> > As for pricing, does anyone have an idea of what the wholesale
> > price for the accord would be in new york? If anyone else has bought
> > a car in this region, would you mind telling me how much I can expect
> > to knock off the sticker?
> > Are there any common problems that have arisen with this model?
> > Are there any alternative cars you would recommend looking at? Thank
> > you for any advice you can offer...
>
> I have a 2004 V6, and my daughter has the 4 cyl. About 7-8 MPG better with
> the 4, pretty peppy for a four. Have to downshift up large incline grades at
> high elevations (we drive some mountain roads going out to Tahoe), but other
> then that, you may want to go with the better mileage.....

Get the 4 cyld--it's much cheaper than the 6 cyld. Hybrid and gets as good
or better gas mileage than the Hybrid. I agree with the poster that said
that the cost of gas will be a problem in the next several years. The 4
cyld. gets much better gas mileage than the 6 cyld. Accord--it also has
lots of power. Also, get the EX model since it has the most features.

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Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113831457.817713.240790@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> Greetings,
> I am looking to buy a 2005 Accord, but would like some advice on a
> few questions? First, 4 or 6 cylinder? I currently own a '94 6
> cylinder maxima (160 hp). I live in the lower hudson valley region of
> new york. I do a great deal of driving, both highway and local roads.
> I commute 35 miles each way to work, and I frequently drive to long
> island. This means that I drive in every condition -- flat ground,
> large hills, high speed, stop-and go traffic, snow, etc. Which engine
> would you recommend? I know this is a recent model, but what is the
> difference in maintenance and reliability? Handling? DIY maintenance?
> Money is an issue because I am a recent college grad without much of
> it. However, I am willing to finance and spend the extra if there is a
> big gain in the v6.
> In addition to the cylinders, does the accord have a timing belt
> or a timing chain?
> As for pricing, does anyone have an idea of what the wholesale
> price for the accord would be in new york? If anyone else has bought a
> car in this region, would you mind telling me how much I can expect to
> knock off the sticker?
> Are there any common problems that have arisen with this model?
> Are there any alternative cars you would recommend looking at? Thank
> you for any advice you can offer...
>

Go for the four cylinder, except if you will be routinely carrying a heavier
load (as in say two adults two teenagers) in which case you will appreciate
the added power of the 6.

Just my opinion, from a 4 cyl owner moving up to the 6.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1113831457.817713.240790@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> Greetings,
> I am looking to buy a 2005 Accord, but would like some advice on a
> few questions? First, 4 or 6 cylinder? I currently own a '94 6
> cylinder maxima (160 hp). I live in the lower hudson valley region of
> new york. I do a great deal of driving, both highway and local roads.
> I commute 35 miles each way to work, and I frequently drive to long
> island. This means that I drive in every condition -- flat ground,
> large hills, high speed, stop-and go traffic, snow, etc. Which engine
> would you recommend? I know this is a recent model, but what is the
> difference in maintenance and reliability? Handling? DIY maintenance?
> Money is an issue because I am a recent college grad without much of
> it. However, I am willing to finance and spend the extra if there is a
> big gain in the v6.
> In addition to the cylinders, does the accord have a timing belt
> or a timing chain?
> As for pricing, does anyone have an idea of what the wholesale
> price for the accord would be in new york? If anyone else has bought a
> car in this region, would you mind telling me how much I can expect to
> knock off the sticker?
> Are there any common problems that have arisen with this model?
> Are there any alternative cars you would recommend looking at? Thank
> you for any advice you can offer...
>

Go for the four cylinder, except if you will be routinely carrying a heavier
load (as in say two adults two teenagers) in which case you will appreciate
the added power of the 6.

Just my opinion, from a 4 cyl owner moving up to the 6.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

Again, thank you for your opinions.

I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
ground.

Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
been surviving on that.

Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.

As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
(6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

Again, thank you for your opinions.

I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
ground.

Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
been surviving on that.

Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.

As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
(6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

I have an 05 Accord EX-V6 sedan and my friend has an 03 Accord EXL (I4)
sedan. We compare gas mileage and there's not that much difference, less
than 10% which can account for difference in driving habits.

I did test drive both and although the I4 had adequate power, the V6
definitely had more power and responded effortlessly. I had similar
concerns (i.e. gas mileage, maintenance, etc.) when deciding between the
V6 and I4. In the end, hearing my friend say "we should have got the V6"
made my decision.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

I have an 05 Accord EX-V6 sedan and my friend has an 03 Accord EXL (I4)
sedan. We compare gas mileage and there's not that much difference, less
than 10% which can account for difference in driving habits.

I did test drive both and although the I4 had adequate power, the V6
definitely had more power and responded effortlessly. I had similar
concerns (i.e. gas mileage, maintenance, etc.) when deciding between the
V6 and I4. In the end, hearing my friend say "we should have got the V6"
made my decision.

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

Go with the V-6 you won't be disappointed. I love it. It's as smooth as
silk and it's get the best gas mileage of anything in it's class.
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114009376.287839.304360@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Again, thank you for your opinions.
>
> I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
> found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
> where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
> engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
> where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
> while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
> work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
> ground.
>
> Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
> the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
> but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
> been surviving on that.
>
> Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
> there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
> my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
> climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
> than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.
>
> As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
> (6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.
>

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

Go with the V-6 you won't be disappointed. I love it. It's as smooth as
silk and it's get the best gas mileage of anything in it's class.
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1114009376.287839.304360@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> Again, thank you for your opinions.
>
> I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
> found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
> where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
> engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
> where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
> while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
> work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
> ground.
>
> Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
> the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
> but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
> been surviving on that.
>
> Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
> there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
> my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
> climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
> than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.
>
> As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
> (6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.
>

Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <1114009376.287839.304360@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Again, thank you for your opinions.
>
> I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
> found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
> where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
> engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
> where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
> while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
> work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
> ground.
>
> Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
> the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
> but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
> been surviving on that.
>
> Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
> there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
> my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
> climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
> than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.
>
> As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
> (6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.

If you prefer the V6--get it. It appears you made the right decision
related to headroom. You may want to make sure you head does not hit the
roof in the LX. There was a post several months ago from a man that was
upset with his Honda that he had already owned for several months. He
complained that his head would hit the roof when he moved various ways. We
told him that he should have figured it out when he did the test drive--he
said, "But my head did not hit the roof during the test drive." If your
head does hit the roof--consider the mini-van or the SUV.

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Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

In article <1114009376.287839.304360@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
"DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Again, thank you for your opinions.
>
> I test drove both the i4 and v6 models yesterday. I have to say, I
> found the i4 power disappointing. Like I said, there are many hills
> where I live, and in order to climb the hill, even at only 30 mph, the
> engine had to drop gears and rev to over 3Krpm. I wasn't in an area
> where I could test hill climbing at 55 or 60, which I routinely do
> while commuting. It seemed like the engine had to do an awful lot of
> work, even revving at 2Krpm just to cruise at 40mph on relatively flat
> ground.
>
> Then, I drove the v6, and there was a major difference. The v6 climbed
> the hills with no problem at all. The gas efficiency is a downfall,
> but my current vehicle has only been getting about 20 mpg, and I've
> been surviving on that.
>
> Several people have mentioned that the i4 may be more reliable, but is
> there really a big difference in reliability? It would seem that, for
> my location at least, the work the engine must perform to constantly
> climb hills and travel at high speeds would put more wear on the i4
> than the v6. Let me know if you think this presumption is incorrect.
>
> As for the LX vs EX, I will probably go with the LX because I am tall
> (6' 6") and the headroom in the EX is a bit tight due to the moonroof.

If you prefer the V6--get it. It appears you made the right decision
related to headroom. You may want to make sure you head does not hit the
roof in the LX. There was a post several months ago from a man that was
upset with his Honda that he had already owned for several months. He
complained that his head would hit the roof when he moved various ways. We
told him that he should have figured it out when he did the test drive--he
said, "But my head did not hit the roof during the test drive." If your
head does hit the roof--consider the mini-van or the SUV.

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Re: 2005 Accord Advice
 

Toyota is doing the same thing. Their make you believe that a hybrid vehicle
is cleaner than a 4 cylinder. However, if you check the smog index of both
cars, either Accord or Camry, the smog index of 4 cylinders (PZEV) is about
the same as Insight and Prius. Consumer Report also indicates that Accord
Hybrid will not save you too much gas, either.


"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1113913686.622771.268980@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups .com>,
> "DCDev" <vballdutchess@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any experience or opinions regarding the new hybrids?
> > I know they're more expensive, but they have both the v6 and good gas
> > mileage.
>
> Not GREAT gas mileage.
>
> You'll get much better out of a 4 cyl Accord. Honda's philosophy on
> their hybrid Accord is that you'll get great 6 cyl power with better
> than typical 6 cyl gas mileage.