Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

oakparker wrote:

> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?

Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact, there
was a news story recently about some of these places charging for services
that were never even performed.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com...
>
> Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
They are a gamble. It's possible they will do a competent job of changing
the oil, but there is a real risk they will do some nasty damage.
Cross-threaded oil plugs are legion with the Quickie-lube shops and
replacing the oil pan to fix that will set you back a couple hundred
dollars. I don't know if anybody has succeeded in getting the JL places to
pay for that. More rarely they will put the entirely wrong fluids in or fail
to put oil in the crankcase at all. Those cases often show up on the TV news
"consumer advocate" spots. There have also been lots of complaints about
shops that claim to change the filter but clearly don't.

Personally, I do my own work and keep cars long past the point they have any
trade-in value. But if you expect to trade the car in when it is still new
enough to have value, you may find yourself many dollars ahead to have the
dealership or your regular mechanic change the oil and routine maintenance.
Verifiable service records are a crucial part of the difference between a
car that is in "good" condition and one that is in "excellent" condition,
and that can mean a thousand dollars or more in Blue Book value. Beyond
that, establishing a relationship with a shop before major trouble comes
along can pay off in many ways. Also, if they *do* cross-thread the drain
plug you can be sure they will make good on it without being asked. Shops
protect their business a whole lot more than fast lube places do.

Although... a bunch of years ago I heard about a place (in redneckland IIRC)
that offered topless oil changes (yes - women doing the work topless). It
was called "Boob and Lube." Kind of a specialty thing, I guess. Dunno how
that would look in the old service record.

Mike

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com...
>
> Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
They are a gamble. It's possible they will do a competent job of changing
the oil, but there is a real risk they will do some nasty damage.
Cross-threaded oil plugs are legion with the Quickie-lube shops and
replacing the oil pan to fix that will set you back a couple hundred
dollars. I don't know if anybody has succeeded in getting the JL places to
pay for that. More rarely they will put the entirely wrong fluids in or fail
to put oil in the crankcase at all. Those cases often show up on the TV news
"consumer advocate" spots. There have also been lots of complaints about
shops that claim to change the filter but clearly don't.

Personally, I do my own work and keep cars long past the point they have any
trade-in value. But if you expect to trade the car in when it is still new
enough to have value, you may find yourself many dollars ahead to have the
dealership or your regular mechanic change the oil and routine maintenance.
Verifiable service records are a crucial part of the difference between a
car that is in "good" condition and one that is in "excellent" condition,
and that can mean a thousand dollars or more in Blue Book value. Beyond
that, establishing a relationship with a shop before major trouble comes
along can pay off in many ways. Also, if they *do* cross-thread the drain
plug you can be sure they will make good on it without being asked. Shops
protect their business a whole lot more than fast lube places do.

Although... a bunch of years ago I heard about a place (in redneckland IIRC)
that offered topless oil changes (yes - women doing the work topless). It
was called "Boob and Lube." Kind of a specialty thing, I guess. Dunno how
that would look in the old service record.

Mike

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"oakparker" <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com...
>
> Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
They are a gamble. It's possible they will do a competent job of changing
the oil, but there is a real risk they will do some nasty damage.
Cross-threaded oil plugs are legion with the Quickie-lube shops and
replacing the oil pan to fix that will set you back a couple hundred
dollars. I don't know if anybody has succeeded in getting the JL places to
pay for that. More rarely they will put the entirely wrong fluids in or fail
to put oil in the crankcase at all. Those cases often show up on the TV news
"consumer advocate" spots. There have also been lots of complaints about
shops that claim to change the filter but clearly don't.

Personally, I do my own work and keep cars long past the point they have any
trade-in value. But if you expect to trade the car in when it is still new
enough to have value, you may find yourself many dollars ahead to have the
dealership or your regular mechanic change the oil and routine maintenance.
Verifiable service records are a crucial part of the difference between a
car that is in "good" condition and one that is in "excellent" condition,
and that can mean a thousand dollars or more in Blue Book value. Beyond
that, establishing a relationship with a shop before major trouble comes
along can pay off in many ways. Also, if they *do* cross-thread the drain
plug you can be sure they will make good on it without being asked. Shops
protect their business a whole lot more than fast lube places do.

Although... a bunch of years ago I heard about a place (in redneckland IIRC)
that offered topless oil changes (yes - women doing the work topless). It
was called "Boob and Lube." Kind of a specialty thing, I guess. Dunno how
that would look in the old service record.

Mike

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

In article <1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com>,
oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

There isn't one.

There's a maintenance minder instead.

RTFM.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

In article <1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com>,
oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

There isn't one.

There's a maintenance minder instead.

RTFM.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

In article <1k2dh2d7m5c7d5tkkdcem8rh02553gtb43@4ax.com>,
oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2. I have read the manual and cannot figure out what the maintenance
> schedule is. In the old days there was a schedule that had a grid
> indicating what maintenance needed to be performed at various milles.
> Where in the 2006 manual is the new grid?

There isn't one.

There's a maintenance minder instead.

RTFM.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
F4CA0E.18340223092006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> In article <l08bh2d96jhgnpr9jqion4rga10doiclgd@4ax.com>,
> oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We purchased our Honda Civic this past January. We had the dealer do
>> a 1,000 mile check, and we have brought it in to Jiffy Lube for oil
>> and filter changes and fluid checks. I cannot figure out what the
>> regular maintenance schedule should be.
>
> Did you read the fine manual that came with your shiny new $17,000 toy?
>
> If not, you get what you deserve.
>
>

I can be lenient with noobs on almost any subject, except this one. You
don't know to read the manual? The salesman should have gone over the
maintenance stuff at delivery.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
F4CA0E.18340223092006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> In article <l08bh2d96jhgnpr9jqion4rga10doiclgd@4ax.com>,
> oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We purchased our Honda Civic this past January. We had the dealer do
>> a 1,000 mile check, and we have brought it in to Jiffy Lube for oil
>> and filter changes and fluid checks. I cannot figure out what the
>> regular maintenance schedule should be.
>
> Did you read the fine manual that came with your shiny new $17,000 toy?
>
> If not, you get what you deserve.
>
>

I can be lenient with noobs on almost any subject, except this one. You
don't know to read the manual? The salesman should have gone over the
maintenance stuff at delivery.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in news:elmop-
F4CA0E.18340223092006@nntp1.usenetserver.com:

> In article <l08bh2d96jhgnpr9jqion4rga10doiclgd@4ax.com>,
> oakparker <sholomg@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We purchased our Honda Civic this past January. We had the dealer do
>> a 1,000 mile check, and we have brought it in to Jiffy Lube for oil
>> and filter changes and fluid checks. I cannot figure out what the
>> regular maintenance schedule should be.
>
> Did you read the fine manual that came with your shiny new $17,000 toy?
>
> If not, you get what you deserve.
>
>

I can be lenient with noobs on almost any subject, except this one. You
don't know to read the manual? The salesman should have gone over the
maintenance stuff at delivery.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:

> oakparker wrote:
>
>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
> for services that were never even performed.
>

"Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?

Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:

> oakparker wrote:
>
>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
> for services that were never even performed.
>

"Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?

Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

High Tech Misfit <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:1hd2k9ld2xsch$.dlg@hightech.misfit:

> oakparker wrote:
>
>> 1. Why are people so upset with Jiffy Lube and the other lube places?
>
> Those places tend to use the wrong fluids (e.g. generic instead of
> manufacturer-specific) and overcharge for their services. In fact,
> there was a news story recently about some of these places charging
> for services that were never even performed.
>

"Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?

Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

In article <Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2.167> ,
Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
happens.

Re: 2006 Civic Upkeep
 

In article <Xns9848A1F23750CIDTOKENnobodyIDTOKEN@24.24.2.167> ,
Nobody <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

> "Manufacturer-specific fluids"...what are those again?
>
> Gee, an auto service business overcharging/ripping off the customer?

Go ahead. Put non-Honda transmission fluid or antifreeze in, see what
happens.