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Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Dave Kelsen wrote: > On 11/28/2007 10:35 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge: > snip > > The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a > cow) was Ford's response to Chevy's Vega, which they boldly thought was > the worst POS they could make. Ford showed them otherwise. Chevy > responded with the Chevette, correctly surmising that even Ford couldn't > make a crappier car that anyone at all would buy. > > > RFT!!! > Dave Kelsen Oh yeah....... The Pinto, Ford's infamous firebomb. <G> JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in > news:474e0735$0$4978$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: > > > >>The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a >>cow) > > > > Damn. > > For thirty-seven years now I thought the Maverick name had to do with > horses (I'm a slow learner). > > Suddenly the "horns" in the Maverick logo make perfect sense. > > Boy do I feel stupid. > > No need to feel so... UNLESS you believe everything claimed in them thar' car ads.. <G> JT (Whose splel chekkah wants to turn "tegger" into "egger") |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:8Ng3j.166479$kj1.147669@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > >> >>Yep, and you can chuckle all the way to the bank regarding the money >>you got to spend on other things. And you have to be commended for >>keeping it up in the rust/snow belt. I would never dream of it. > > > > > It's an uphill struggle. And ultimately a losing one. The 'Teg will have a > finite life. I just don't know when will be "enough". Might be another ten > years, maybe less. > > There is no rust at all where you can easily see (including in all the > usual Honda trouble spots), so the car still looks good. > > > > >>Maybe if your body finally rusts beyond repair, you can import a Texas >>beater and revitalize it for another seventeen years... >> >><G> >> > > > > The body's fine, but I'm now developing a tranny whine. I believe it to be > the bearings. The noise is only between 45 and 50mph, on acceleration in > any gear. It's only really noticeable once the tranny oil warms up, like > when I come off the highway. > > However, I think 296,000 miles is a pretty good lifespan for a > transmission, don't you? It'll be over 300,000 when I replace it in the > spring... > Sounds like pinion noise. I'd ignore it until the radio can no longer drown it out... JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Dave Garrett wrote: > In article <474e0735$0$4978$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > invalid@invalid.invalid says... > > >>The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a >>cow) was Ford's response to Chevy's Vega, which they boldly thought was >>the worst POS they could make. Ford showed them otherwise. Chevy >>responded with the Chevette, correctly surmising that even Ford couldn't >>make a crappier car that anyone at all would buy. > > > The three worst cars I've ever driven were a Vega, a Chevette, and a > Pontiac Sunturd, er, Sunbird. The latter gem was the car I learned to > drive in after an initial preference for motorcycles during my formative > years. It featured Pontiac's infamous, asthmatic "Iron Duke" four > coupled to a seriously agricultural 4-speed manual. After driving it > halfway across Texas one particularly hot summer, without the benefit of > a working air conditioner and with a cracked exhaust manifold that made > any conversation quieter than a shout practically impossible, the AMC > Gremlin that temporarily replaced it felt like a Bentley. > > Dave > In the mid 1980's, my '76 Honda Civic rusted out from under me and I wanted another winter beater. I found a '76 Gremlin with the 258 cid (2bbl) for $300 and drove it nearly trouble free for four years until I took an overseas job. It was practical, dependable but not so economical as the best I could do was about 18 mpg. Even though it was an automatic, it didn't wait for anyone! That was back when I lived in salty RI and drove my Studebakers during the summer. Now that I'm in TX, rust (thankfully) is no longer an issue but gas mileage is, hence the gen2 Honda Civics for most tasks. JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Robert A. Cunningham wrote: > "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > news:Xns99F6CAAD41E03tegger@207.14.116.130... > >>Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in >>news:474e0735$0$4978$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: >> >> >> >>>The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a >>>cow) >> >> >>Damn. >> >>For thirty-seven years now I thought the Maverick name had to do with >>horses (I'm a slow learner). >> >>Suddenly the "horns" in the Maverick logo make perfect sense. >> >>Boy do I feel stupid. >> >> >> >>-- >>Tegger >> > > Don't feel so bad Tegger, I thought it was a horse also, and my 84 year old > mom owns a '74 Maverick. I feel even more stupid ;) > > Robert A. Cunningham > > ....and I always thought that it meant a "wayward" cowboy... <G> JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: > > I'm now developing a tranny whine. I believe it >> to be the bearings. The noise is only between 45 and 50mph, on >> acceleration in any gear. It's only really noticeable once the tranny >> oil warms up, like when I come off the highway. >> >> However, I think 296,000 miles is a pretty good lifespan for a >> transmission, don't you? It'll be over 300,000 when I replace it in >> the spring... >> > > Sounds like pinion noise. > That's encouraging... but how can you tell? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
On 11/29/2007 10:39 AM Grumpy AuContraire spake these words of knowledge:
> > Robert A. Cunningham wrote: > >> "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >> news:Xns99F6CAAD41E03tegger@207.14.116.130... >> >>>Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in >>>news:474e0735$0$4978$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: >>> >>> >>> >>>>The Pinto (which does refer to a horse, whereas maverick refers to a >>>>cow) >>> >>> >>>Damn. >>> >>>For thirty-seven years now I thought the Maverick name had to do with >>>horses (I'm a slow learner). >>> >>>Suddenly the "horns" in the Maverick logo make perfect sense. >>> >>>Boy do I feel stupid. >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>>Tegger >>> >> >> Don't feel so bad Tegger, I thought it was a horse also, and my 84 year old >> mom owns a '74 Maverick. I feel even more stupid ;) >> >> Robert A. Cunningham >> >> > > > ...and I always thought that it meant a "wayward" cowboy... > > <G> > > JT Well, it is a wayward cow. Boy. RFT!!! Dave Kelsen -- You can't drink all day long if you don't start first thing in the morning! |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:474f60a0$0$15327$4c368faf@roadrunner.com: <snip> > You can't drink all day long if you don't start first thing in the > morning! > Ever notice how when they say, "It's 5:00 somewhere in the world", they never specify AM or PM? :^) -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >> >>Tegger wrote: > > >>I'm now developing a tranny whine. I believe it >> >>>to be the bearings. The noise is only between 45 and 50mph, on >>>acceleration in any gear. It's only really noticeable once the tranny >>>oil warms up, like when I come off the highway. >>> >>>However, I think 296,000 miles is a pretty good lifespan for a >>>transmission, don't you? It'll be over 300,000 when I replace it in >>>the spring... >>> >> >>Sounds like pinion noise. >> > > > > That's encouraging... but how can you tell? > > Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until threatens to fail which may never happen.. JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:ZMK3j.906
$MJ6.551@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: >> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in >> news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: .. >>>> >>> >>>Sounds like pinion noise. >>> >> >> >> >> That's encouraging... but how can you tell? >> >> > > > Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until > threatens to fail which may never happen.. > Fair enough. A used tranny will run me about $600, so if I can avoid that, great. What I don't know is how to tell the difference between worn bearings and a worn diff. Based on my experiences with worn wheel bearings, I'm guessing a worn bearing in the tranny would be noisy pretty much any time I accelerate in any gear at any speed. The tranny's shafts are quite short, so I'd think any side-load would be transmitted to all the bearings fairly equally. I once had an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 that developed two worn 5th gear bearings. In those cases, the bearing was noisy any time I was in that gear. So long as I was out of 5th, the bearing was not under side-load and was quiet. The shafts of that RWD tranny were fairly long, leading me to believe bearing loads were more likely than in my 'Teg to be localized to a single bearing. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:ZMK3j.906 > $MJ6.551@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >> >>Tegger wrote: >> >>>Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in >>>news:aRB3j.172162$kj1.68700@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > . > >>>>Sounds like pinion noise. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>That's encouraging... but how can you tell? >>> >>> >> >> >>Just a gut feeling based on experience. Don't worry about it until >>threatens to fail which may never happen.. >> > > > > > Fair enough. A used tranny will run me about $600, so if I can avoid that, > great. > > What I don't know is how to tell the difference between worn bearings and a > worn diff. > > Based on my experiences with worn wheel bearings, I'm guessing a worn > bearing in the tranny would be noisy pretty much any time I accelerate in > any gear at any speed. The tranny's shafts are quite short, so I'd think > any side-load would be transmitted to all the bearings fairly equally. > > I once had an '82 Toyota Corolla SR5 that developed two worn 5th gear > bearings. In those cases, the bearing was noisy any time I was in that > gear. So long as I was out of 5th, the bearing was not under side-load and > was quiet. The shafts of that RWD tranny were fairly long, leading me to > believe bearing loads were more likely than in my 'Teg to be localized to a > single bearing. > > If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at a better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out of a JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are approaching that point as well. You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as this car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did not receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as a mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner but unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with four speed. No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an active payment book... <G> JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:SRW3j.177877$kj1.108684@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at > a better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out > of a JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are > approaching that point as well. Drop-in JDM is getting extreemely difficult to find for my car; it's too old. > > You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as > this car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did > not receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as > a mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner > but unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with > four speed. > > No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your > money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an > active payment book... > Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds plausible. I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in order to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:SRW3j.177877$kj1.108684@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >> >>If you're concerned.. You can just be on the look out for a tranny at >>a better price. Your car's age is probably just beginning to slip out >>of a JDM replacement which might include an engine since you are >>approaching that point as well. > > > > > Drop-in JDM is getting extreemely difficult to find for my car; it's too > old. > > > >>You oughta hear the tranny in my '83... I shoulda got suspicious as >>this car sported a "Duke" sticker on the back glass. That puppy did >>not receive tender treatment.. The tranny on the '82 OTOH is quiet as >>a mouse but then again, this car was purchased from the original owner >>but unfortunately is a "bare bones," (not even a DX), vehicle with >>four speed. >> >>No one can fault achieving 300K miles as a lousy deal. You got your >>money's worth plus some. OTOH, sheeple just trade in and keep an >>active payment book... >> > > > > Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds > plausible. > Most likely pinion.. > I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in order > to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible. > Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you! JT |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:_l%4j.197105$kj1.144050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > > Tegger wrote: .. >>> >> >> >> >> Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds >> plausible. >> > > Most likely pinion.. You mean the pinion itself, not the bearings which hold the pinion in place...? > > >> I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in >> order to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible. >> > > Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you! > If it's in fact the pinion itself. I'm kind of interested in the experience you have that tells you it's the pinion and not the bearings. -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 2nd Generation Hond Fit
Tegger wrote: > Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in > news:_l%4j.197105$kj1.144050@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > > >> >>Tegger wrote: > > . > >>> >>> >>>Somebody in rec.autos.tech suggested the diff bearings, which sounds >>>plausible. >>> >> >>Most likely pinion.. > > > > > You mean the pinion itself, not the bearings which hold the pinion in > place...? > > > >> >>>I'm just going to live with it and be gentle with my acceleration in >>>order to put as little side-load on the bearings as possible. >>> >> >>Don't lose a lot of sleep over it... They'll probably out last you! >> > > > > If it's in fact the pinion itself. > > I'm kind of interested in the experience you have that tells you it's the > pinion and not the bearings. > > Bearings, which eventully will lead to pinion gear noise. Not a big concern at this point.. JT |
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