Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

Tegger wrote:

> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in news:JP3Ui.21899
> $kj1.9496@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>>
>>Tegger wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Jeff <kidsdoc2000@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:hETTi.8077$0l4.4947@trnddc08:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>This is an issue facing a lot of owners of older cars and is yet
>>>>>another guv'ment mandate. (I can't speak for youse Canadians though).
>>>>
>>>>Prove that this is a guv'ment mandate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>ZDDP was drastically lowered in gasoline motor oils in order to meet
>>>government-imposed warranty requirements on catalytic converter life.
>>>It happened around 1995, with the introduction of
>>>government-imposed OBD-II.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Thanks Tegger... Don'tcha just luv every twerp that comes along and
>>demands, "cite, cite, cite."
>
>
>
>
> He'd rather pick a fight than look it up himself.
>
>


Yup and I'm 6'1'' and have massive 24" arms, 30" waste, weight a
fightin' 200 lbs and hide regularly behind my widescreen monitor...

<G>

JT

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

On Oct 23, 2:27 pm, highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
> > @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
> > > Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
> > > certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
> > > 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
> > > Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
> > > tolerances.
>
> > <snip gibberish>
>
> > You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>
> > Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
> > lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>
> > 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
> > Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>
> > 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
> > Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>
> > All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
> > identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>
> > And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
> > .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>
> > --
> > Tegger
>
> > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
> exclusively.
>
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I talked to at least a dozen oil experts, some who have Ferrary
vehicles for a long time and don't follow factory suggestions. Most
have convinced me that 0w30 synthetic is the best motor oil for my
application. The best advice I got was from a man who owns a late 80s
non-diesel mercedes with almost 1 million kilometers without any
repairs. His suggestion is to not rev the engine beyond 4000RPM any
more. Try to accelerate as slowly as possible without interfeering
with the traffic behind. Use high quality 0w30 or 5w30 synthetic.
Change it at 10,000 mile (16,000Km) intervals including the oil
filter. Before filling with fresh synthetic oil, clean the engine with
cheapest fresh oil (doesn't need to be synthetic) for approximately 15
minutes or longer if in winter. NEVER use petroleum based engine
flushes. Flush the transmission on every change interval that I follow
(for me it's every 50,000KM) i.e. drain, fill, drive 3 times. Make
sure the tires are always properly inflated i.e. check every week. The
idea of the latter suggestions is to reduce the load on the engine as
much as possible. Lastly, take a sample of the oil during the drain
and send to lab for analysis. He did this every 50,000km. I've never
done it, but I will do this at my next oil change. I am kind of
curious as to what the report will show. Some people I talked were
truckers. Alot of them use Amsoil. Some are obsessed with oil. They
have onboard oil centrifuge-like gadgets that act as oil refineries
that allow for driving up to 100,000Km before replacing the oil.

Thank you all for your suggestions.

Dan

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

On Oct 23, 2:27 pm, highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
> > @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
> > > Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
> > > certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
> > > 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
> > > Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
> > > tolerances.
>
> > <snip gibberish>
>
> > You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>
> > Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
> > lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>
> > 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
> > Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>
> > 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
> > Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>
> > All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
> > identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>
> > And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
> > .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>
> > --
> > Tegger
>
> > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>
> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
> exclusively.
>
> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I talked to at least a dozen oil experts, some who have Ferrary
vehicles for a long time and don't follow factory suggestions. Most
have convinced me that 0w30 synthetic is the best motor oil for my
application. The best advice I got was from a man who owns a late 80s
non-diesel mercedes with almost 1 million kilometers without any
repairs. His suggestion is to not rev the engine beyond 4000RPM any
more. Try to accelerate as slowly as possible without interfeering
with the traffic behind. Use high quality 0w30 or 5w30 synthetic.
Change it at 10,000 mile (16,000Km) intervals including the oil
filter. Before filling with fresh synthetic oil, clean the engine with
cheapest fresh oil (doesn't need to be synthetic) for approximately 15
minutes or longer if in winter. NEVER use petroleum based engine
flushes. Flush the transmission on every change interval that I follow
(for me it's every 50,000KM) i.e. drain, fill, drive 3 times. Make
sure the tires are always properly inflated i.e. check every week. The
idea of the latter suggestions is to reduce the load on the engine as
much as possible. Lastly, take a sample of the oil during the drain
and send to lab for analysis. He did this every 50,000km. I've never
done it, but I will do this at my next oil change. I am kind of
curious as to what the report will show. Some people I talked were
truckers. Alot of them use Amsoil. Some are obsessed with oil. They
have onboard oil centrifuge-like gadgets that act as oil refineries
that allow for driving up to 100,000Km before replacing the oil.

Thank you all for your suggestions.

Dan

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

Nonsense. That same engine family is sold in other parts of the world
with much thicker oil specified. Somehow I also don't think that the
Acura TSX high output version of the Accord 4 cylinder is built to
"looser tolerances" than the Honda version, yet the Acura calls for 5W-30.

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

Nonsense. That same engine family is sold in other parts of the world
with much thicker oil specified. Somehow I also don't think that the
Acura TSX high output version of the Accord 4 cylinder is built to
"looser tolerances" than the Honda version, yet the Acura calls for 5W-30.

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

On 10/23/2007 8:48 PM Dave Kelsen spake these words of knowledge:

> On 10/23/2007 1:27 PM highkm spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>> highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
>>> @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
>>> > Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
>>> > certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
>>> > 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
>>> > Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
>>> > tolerances.
>>>
>>> <snip gibberish>
>>>
>>> You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>>>
>>> Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
>>> lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>>>
>>> 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>>>
>>> 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>>>
>>> All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
>>> identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>>>
>>> And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
>>> .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
>> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
>> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
>> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
>> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
>> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
>> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> 2003 Accord LX v4, 134,000 miles, Mobil-1 5-20, changed every 10,000
> miles. Haven't noted any engine problems with power, mileage, problem
> codes or noises.
>

I inadvertently lied. My Accord only has 111,000 miles. It's my
Odyssey (2001 EX) that has 134,000. Both use the same oil, and are
changed at the same interval though.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
It really bothers me when people cut me o...

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

On 10/23/2007 8:48 PM Dave Kelsen spake these words of knowledge:

> On 10/23/2007 1:27 PM highkm spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>> highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
>>> @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>> > Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
>>> > Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
>>> > certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
>>> > 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
>>> > Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
>>> > tolerances.
>>>
>>> <snip gibberish>
>>>
>>> You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>>>
>>> Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
>>> lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>>>
>>> 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>>>
>>> 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>>>
>>> All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
>>> identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>>>
>>> And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
>>> .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>>
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>>
>> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
>> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
>> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
>> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
>> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
>> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
>> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
> 2003 Accord LX v4, 134,000 miles, Mobil-1 5-20, changed every 10,000
> miles. Haven't noted any engine problems with power, mileage, problem
> codes or noises.
>

I inadvertently lied. My Accord only has 111,000 miles. It's my
Odyssey (2001 EX) that has 134,000. Both use the same oil, and are
changed at the same interval though.

RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
It really bothers me when people cut me o...

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

highkm wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2:27 pm, highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
>>> @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>>> Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
>>>> Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
>>>> certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
>>>> 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
>>>> Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
>>>> tolerances.
>>> <snip gibberish>
>>> You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>>> Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
>>> lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>>> 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>>> 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>>> All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
>>> identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>>> And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
>>> .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
>> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
>> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
>> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
>> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
>> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
>> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I talked to at least a dozen oil experts, some who have Ferrary
> vehicles for a long time and don't follow factory suggestions. Most
> have convinced me that 0w30 synthetic is the best motor oil for my
> application. The best advice I got was from a man who owns a late 80s
> non-diesel mercedes with almost 1 million kilometers without any
> repairs. His suggestion is to not rev the engine beyond 4000RPM any
> more. Try to accelerate as slowly as possible without interfeering
> with the traffic behind. Use high quality 0w30 or 5w30 synthetic.
> Change it at 10,000 mile (16,000Km) intervals including the oil
> filter. Before filling with fresh synthetic oil, clean the engine with
> cheapest fresh oil (doesn't need to be synthetic) for approximately 15
> minutes or longer if in winter. NEVER use petroleum based engine
> flushes. Flush the transmission on every change interval that I follow
> (for me it's every 50,000KM) i.e. drain, fill, drive 3 times. Make
> sure the tires are always properly inflated i.e. check every week. The
> idea of the latter suggestions is to reduce the load on the engine as
> much as possible. Lastly, take a sample of the oil during the drain
> and send to lab for analysis. He did this every 50,000km. I've never
> done it, but I will do this at my next oil change. I am kind of
> curious as to what the report will show. Some people I talked were
> truckers. Alot of them use Amsoil. Some are obsessed with oil. They
> have onboard oil centrifuge-like gadgets that act as oil refineries
> that allow for driving up to 100,000Km before replacing the oil.
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions.
>
> Dan
>

eh? what a bunch of underinformed crap.

Re: 340,000 KM 2003 Accord Ex Oil Viscosity Issue
 

highkm wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2:27 pm, highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote:
>> On Oct 23, 11:31 am, Tegger <teg...@tegger.c0m> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> highkm <ic...@mac.com> wrote in news:1193149570.334306.98020
>>> @v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>>>> Here's the latest word on 5w20 vs 0w30 viscosity in a 2003 Honda
>>>> Accord EX. i am sure that many of you have wondered and read about why
>>>> certain companies like Honda and Ford are using 5w20 insead of say
>>>> 5w30 or 5w40 as in European cars. Contrary to the popular belief that
>>>> Honda used 5w20 to meet CAFE requirements it is mostly due to engine
>>>> tolerances.
>>> <snip gibberish>
>>> You're talking through your hat, Mr. Metric Slave.
>>> Below is one of the most critical clearances in any engine, one that has a
>>> lot to do with oil pressure and consumption.
>>> 1991 Integra, 5W-30 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0017", max .0020"
>>> 2003 RSX, 5W-20 oil specified.
>>> Crank bearing clearance: .0007"-.0016", max .0020".
>>> All the other relevant clearances I can find in my manuals are similarly
>>> identical. 5W-20 is specified for CAFE reasons and no other.
>>> And just for fun I looked up the same clearance on a 1952 Ford OHV six.
>>> .0005"-.0021". Whaddya know. You suppose they were using 5W-20 in 1952?
>>> --
>>> Tegger
>>> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQwww.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>> You might have a point here. I also called Amsoil to discuss the
>> difference between 2 oils in the engine and the situation. They have
>> also firmly suggested not to switch to 5w20 whether it be Amsoil's or
>> Honda's oil as it will accelerate the wear of other components which
>> are currently functioning properly. It appears that a lot of people
>> don't like the 5w20 oil. It would be interesting to find out if there
>> are other higher milage vehicles out there that have used 5w20
>> exclusively.
>>
>> Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I talked to at least a dozen oil experts, some who have Ferrary
> vehicles for a long time and don't follow factory suggestions. Most
> have convinced me that 0w30 synthetic is the best motor oil for my
> application. The best advice I got was from a man who owns a late 80s
> non-diesel mercedes with almost 1 million kilometers without any
> repairs. His suggestion is to not rev the engine beyond 4000RPM any
> more. Try to accelerate as slowly as possible without interfeering
> with the traffic behind. Use high quality 0w30 or 5w30 synthetic.
> Change it at 10,000 mile (16,000Km) intervals including the oil
> filter. Before filling with fresh synthetic oil, clean the engine with
> cheapest fresh oil (doesn't need to be synthetic) for approximately 15
> minutes or longer if in winter. NEVER use petroleum based engine
> flushes. Flush the transmission on every change interval that I follow
> (for me it's every 50,000KM) i.e. drain, fill, drive 3 times. Make
> sure the tires are always properly inflated i.e. check every week. The
> idea of the latter suggestions is to reduce the load on the engine as
> much as possible. Lastly, take a sample of the oil during the drain
> and send to lab for analysis. He did this every 50,000km. I've never
> done it, but I will do this at my next oil change. I am kind of
> curious as to what the report will show. Some people I talked were
> truckers. Alot of them use Amsoil. Some are obsessed with oil. They
> have onboard oil centrifuge-like gadgets that act as oil refineries
> that allow for driving up to 100,000Km before replacing the oil.
>
> Thank you all for your suggestions.
>
> Dan
>

eh? what a bunch of underinformed crap.