4 cylinder better than V6?
 

Dear Honda experts:

I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

"Benjamin Bootstrap" <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>
> Dear Honda experts:
>
> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?

The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6) that has a
questionable history.

That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an auto and
have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled maintenance over
the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

On 6/30/2009 3:59 PM Seth spake these words of knowledge:

> "Benjamin Bootstrap" <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hbsk45p989dpvmmsskro0j4bqv4gglaf0g@4ax.com...
>>
>> Dear Honda experts:
>>
>> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
>> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
>> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?
>
> The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6) that has a
> questionable history.
>
> That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an auto and
> have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled maintenance over
> the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.
>

Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
manual transmission. Like a rock.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
01 Taffeta White Odyssey EX V6 4AT
03 Noble Green Accord LX Sedan I4 5AT
04 San Marino Red Accord EX-Navi Coupe V6 6MT
--
Approximately 75,000 years ago, the supervolcano Toba erupted. In 24
hours, it ejected enough material to fill the area inside the DC Beltway
over a kilometer deep. Good idea, bad timing.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

In article <4a4ad37f$0$5679$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.co m>,
Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
> >> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
> >> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?
> >
> > The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6) that has a
> > questionable history.
> >
> > That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an auto and
> > have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled maintenance over
> > the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.
> >
>
> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
> manual transmission. Like a rock.

The issue is, Honda's 4 cylinder engines are WAY powerful enough--and
the gas savings is substantial over the 6 cylinder engine.

The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want bragging
rights. Nothing more.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

Thus spake "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> :

>In article <4a4ad37f$0$5679$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.co m>,
> Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
>> >> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
>> >> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?
>> >
>> > The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6) that has a
>> > questionable history.
>> >
>> > That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an auto and
>> > have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled maintenance over
>> > the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.
>> >
>>
>> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
>> manual transmission. Like a rock.
>
>The issue is, Honda's 4 cylinder engines are WAY powerful enough--and
>the gas savings is substantial over the 6 cylinder engine.
>
>The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want bragging
>rights. Nothing more.

I'm wondering if this is an issue in other parts of the country.

A couple of years ago, cops (multiple jurisdictions, including state)
busted several "tuners" in the Austin area who were buying Accords
with V6s and popping them in to Civics and then selling the rest of
the car for parts. By "buying" I mean buying from theives. You know
it's a theif if you pay $6000 for a 2005 Accord. And then sell the
engine for $4000 and the parts car for $4000.

--

- dillon I am not invalid

"Jimmy, I'm sorry your girlfriend turned out
to be a cylon."
-Special Agent Tim McGee, "NCIS"

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-280BD4.07070601072009@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <4a4ad37f$0$5679$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.co m>,
> Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder
>> >> and
>> >> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not
>> >> get a
>> >> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?
>> >
>> > The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6)
>> > that has a
>> > questionable history.
>> >
>> > That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an
>> > auto and
>> > have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled
>> > maintenance over
>> > the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.
>> >
>>
>> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one
>> with a
>> manual transmission. Like a rock.
>
> The issue is, Honda's 4 cylinder engines are WAY powerful
> enough--and
> the gas savings is substantial over the 6 cylinder engine.
>
> The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want
> bragging
> rights. Nothing more.

Or more pick up pulling out onto CA freeways with 3 people in the car
and the AC on where everyone is going 75 mph. My 6 gets 29.7 MPG on
the highway regularly, even driving at 75 mph most of the time.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

Dave Kelsen wrote:

> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
> manual transmission. Like a rock.

It doesn't look like Honda offers a stick with the V6. :(

(As mentioned, the I4 makes 180~190HP, more oomph than you'll ever need.)

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

On 7/1/2009 11:38 PM Greg Campbell spake these words of knowledge:

> Dave Kelsen wrote:
>
>> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
>> manual transmission. Like a rock.
>
> It doesn't look like Honda offers a stick with the V6. :(
>
> (As mentioned, the I4 makes 180~190HP, more oomph than you'll ever need.)

I drive one daily.

I don't believe Honda has a stick with the V6 in the sedan. They did
for 2 model years of the 7th gen Accord.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
01 Taffeta White Odyssey EX V6 4AT
03 Noble Green Accord LX Sedan I4 5AT
04 San Marino Red Accord EX-Navi Coupe V6 6MT
--
That young receptionist at the sperm bank was really nice. When I left,
she thanked me for coming.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

On Wed, 01 Jul 2009 07:07:06 -0400, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <4a4ad37f$0$5679$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.co m>,
> Dave Kelsen <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> I read in here that someone says Honda makes the best 4-cylinder and
>> >> stick with that (and manual.) So if I wanted a V6 I should not get a
>> >> Honda because Honda is not an expert building V6s?
>> >
>> > The V6 engine is fine, it's the transmission (mated to the V6) that has a
>> > questionable history.
>> >
>> > That said, I have an '01 Accord EX-V6 with almost 230,000 and an auto and
>> > have had zero problems with the transmission. Unscheduled maintenance over
>> > the life of the vehicle has been under $600 thus far.
>> >
>>
>> Honda makes a very fine V6. To avoid potential problems, get one with a
>> manual transmission. Like a rock.
>
>The issue is, Honda's 4 cylinder engines are WAY powerful enough--and
>the gas savings is substantial over the 6 cylinder engine.
>
>The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want bragging
>rights. Nothing more.

Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and then
the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of acceleration,
going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
along.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:

> >The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want bragging
> >rights. Nothing more.
>
> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and then
> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of acceleration,
> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
> along.

You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas have
plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines AREN'T used to
revving the Honda to where the power is.

And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger NOT
perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's overkill.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-820DF0.07115303072009@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
> Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> >The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want
>> >bragging
>> >rights. Nothing more.
>>
>> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and
>> then
>> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of
>> acceleration,
>> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
>> along.
>
> You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas have
> plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines AREN'T used
> to
> revving the Honda to where the power is.
>
> And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger NOT
> perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's overkill.

I've had many 4 cyl Hondas, but my last one (04 EX), the 6 made the
difference for me. It's not overkill, it's a choice, and the mileage
is not that off from the 4 cyl.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
> Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>> The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want bragging
>>> rights. Nothing more.
>> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and then
>> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of acceleration,
>> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
>> along.
>
> You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas have
> plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines AREN'T used to
> revving the Honda to where the power is.
>
> And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger NOT
> perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's overkill.

i agree with elmo on this. because my friends know me as "one of those
guys that knows about cars", i've test-driven countless cars with them
countless times, and lack of willingness to rev the engine is pretty
much universal. even among many so-called "ricer" kids. "but it's
making a loud noise", etc.

bottom line: honda 4's have /plenty/ of power, but limited low end
grunt. the 6 has that grunt and it keeps the freds happy, but the 4 is
where the fun is if you know how to drive properly.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>> In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
>> Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want
>>>> bragging rights. Nothing more.
>>> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and
>>> then
>>> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of
>>> acceleration,
>>> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
>>> along.
>>
>> You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas have
>> plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines AREN'T used
>> to revving the Honda to where the power is.
>>
>> And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger
>> NOT perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's
>> overkill.
>
> i agree with elmo on this. because my friends know me as "one of
> those guys that knows about cars", i've test-driven countless cars
> with them countless times, and lack of willingness to rev the engine
> is pretty much universal. even among many so-called "ricer" kids.
> "but it's making a loud noise", etc.
>
> bottom line: honda 4's have /plenty/ of power, but limited low end
> grunt. the 6 has that grunt and it keeps the freds happy, but the 4
> is where the fun is if you know how to drive properly.

If you know how to drive properly, the 6 can be fun as well...I have
no problems with pushing mechanical devices that are properly
engineered to their limits.

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

L Alpert wrote:
> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:ouCdnTFPnpCHndPXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>> In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
>>> Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want
>>>>> bragging rights. Nothing more.
>>>> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and
>>>> then
>>>> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of
>>>> acceleration,
>>>> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging it
>>>> along.
>>> You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas have
>>> plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines AREN'T used
>>> to revving the Honda to where the power is.
>>>
>>> And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger
>>> NOT perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's
>>> overkill.
>> i agree with elmo on this. because my friends know me as "one of
>> those guys that knows about cars", i've test-driven countless cars
>> with them countless times, and lack of willingness to rev the engine
>> is pretty much universal. even among many so-called "ricer" kids.
>> "but it's making a loud noise", etc.
>>
>> bottom line: honda 4's have /plenty/ of power, but limited low end
>> grunt. the 6 has that grunt and it keeps the freds happy, but the 4
>> is where the fun is if you know how to drive properly.
>
> If you know how to drive properly, the 6 can be fun as well...I have
> no problems with pushing mechanical devices that are properly
> engineered to their limits.
>
>

how do you know what is "properly engineered"?

Re: 4 cylinder better than V6?
 

"jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>L Alpert wrote:
>> "jim beam" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:ouCdnTFPnpCHndPXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t...
>>> Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
>>>> In article <r53r45991qq167mu4h1nuqom4uvmatrdij@4ax.com>,
>>>> Benjamin Bootstrap <benjamin.bootstrap@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> The 6 is for people who don't understand, and/or who just want
>>>>>> bragging rights. Nothing more.
>>>>> Hmmm... really? I test drove a 4-cylinder 2008 Honda Accord and
>>>>> then
>>>>> the EX-V6, and I can sense a big difference in terms of
>>>>> acceleration,
>>>>> going up the hills, and the 4-cylinder feels like I'm dragging
>>>>> it
>>>>> along.
>>>> You probably just didn't want to rev the four banger. Hondas
>>>> have plenty of power, but people who are used to big engines
>>>> AREN'T used to revving the Honda to where the power is.
>>>>
>>>> And sure there's a difference in power--but does the four banger
>>>> NOT perform perfectly well? There's enough, and then there's
>>>> overkill.
>>> i agree with elmo on this. because my friends know me as "one of
>>> those guys that knows about cars", i've test-driven countless cars
>>> with them countless times, and lack of willingness to rev the
>>> engine is pretty much universal. even among many so-called
>>> "ricer" kids. "but it's making a loud noise", etc.
>>>
>>> bottom line: honda 4's have /plenty/ of power, but limited low end
>>> grunt. the 6 has that grunt and it keeps the freds happy, but the
>>> 4 is where the fun is if you know how to drive properly.
>>
>> If you know how to drive properly, the 6 can be fun as well...I
>> have no problems with pushing mechanical devices that are properly
>> engineered to their limits.
>
> how do you know what is "properly engineered"?

Reputation, as far as Honda goes. With the equipment I work with, it
has to do with reviewing the equipment design specifications and
auditing their quality systems.