89 civic
 

Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on the back end
of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked away with
no injuries.

10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.

So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance settlement on
a car.

Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for $375. Body is
a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k miles.

Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6 months to a
year out of er.

Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?

t

Re: 89 civic
 

loewent wrote:
> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on the back end
> of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked away with
> no injuries.
>
> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance settlement on
> a car.
>
> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for $375. Body is
> a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k miles.
>
> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6 months to a
> year out of er.
>
> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>
> t
=====================

Keep the coolant reservoir up to the =MAX= mark, change the oil and
drain-n-fill the tranny at least once with Honda Z1 ATF. Who knows
what's actually in there / how old it is?
Glad you're OK.

'Curly'

Re: 89 civic
 

"loewent" <loewent@gmail.com> wrote
> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> the back end
> of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked
> away with
> no injuries.
>
> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> settlement on
> a car.
>
> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> $375. Body is
> a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k
> miles.

Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.

Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?

One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
this era are failed head gaskets.

> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> months to a
> year out of er.
>
> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?

Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
six months, maybe you can forego this job.

When was the timing belt replaced?

Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
worried about.

Re: 89 civic
 

On Apr 29, 9:38 pm, loewent <loew...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on the back end
> of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked away with
> no injuries.
>
> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance settlement on
> a car.
>
> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for $375. Body is
> a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k miles.
>

i would do the same, you don't own anything as long as you have to
make payments

> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6 months to a
> year out of er.
>
> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>
> t

a complete tune-up: NGK V-power plugs one heat range colder (to deal
with E10 gasohol) , NGK magnetic core plug wires (the best), OEM or
Standard brand distributor cap & rotor (with brass terminals)
modifications: high voltage ignition coil (must have the same primary
resistance as stock), short ram intake (or simply run the stock setup
without the intake resonator), gutted catalytic converter (Hondas
don't need this Detroit's piece of sh*t)
fluids: Castrol Syntec 0W-30 or 5W-20 motor oil, PEAK 50/50 lifetime
antifreeze , Dexron II ATF with Lubegard ATF Protectant
filters: WIX oil filter and fuel filter

Note: DO NOT use Honda Z1 in your 89 civic's transmission. As a matter
of fact, all pre-1994 Hondas left the factories with Dexron II in the
transmission

Re: 89 civic
 

Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.

I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
longer.

Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
my 98.

Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
a head gasket issue.

Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.

t


On Apr 30, 10:12 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> > the back end
> > of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked
> > away with
> > no injuries.
>
> > 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> > So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> > settlement on
> > a car.
>
> > Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> > $375. Body is
> > a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k
> > miles.
>
> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>
> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>
> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
> this era are failed head gaskets.
>
> > Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> > months to a
> > year out of er.
>
> > Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>
> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>
> When was the timing belt replaced?
>
> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: 89 civic
 

loewent wrote:
> Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
> that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
> repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
>
> I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
> be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
> longer.
>
> Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
> May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
> my 98.
>
> Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
> a head gasket issue.
>
> Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
> been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.
>
> t
>
>
> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
>>> the back end
>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
>>> away with
>>> no injuries.
>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
>>> settlement on
>>> a car.
>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
>>> $375. �Body is
>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
>>> miles.
>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>>
>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>>
>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
>> this era are failed head gaskets.
>>
>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
>>> months to a
>>> year out of er.
>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>>
>> When was the timing belt replaced?
>>
>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was good,
the brakes good, and leave it at that.

there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were going to
thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.

Re: 89 civic
 

bi241@scn.org wrote:
> On Apr 29, 9:38 pm, loewent <loew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on the back end
>> of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked away with
>> no injuries.
>>
>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>
>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance settlement on
>> a car.
>>
>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for $375. Body is
>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k miles.
>>
>
> i would do the same, you don't own anything as long as you have to
> make payments
>
>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6 months to a
>> year out of er.
>>
>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>>
>> t
>
> a complete tune-up: NGK V-power plugs one heat range colder (to deal
> with E10 gasohol) ,

that's an ok plug, but a bullshit reason.


> NGK magnetic core plug wires (the best),

ok, they're good.

> OEM or
> Standard brand distributor cap & rotor (with brass terminals)

oem only. brass is bad because the zinc it contains vaporizes, then
condenses again weakening the spark with a conductive layer inside the cap.


> modifications: high voltage ignition coil (must have the same primary
> resistance as stock),

no. oem quality is better.


> short ram intake (or simply run the stock setup
> without the intake resonator),

absolutely not. all you do is suck hot air and make more noise. and
you reduce engine life with reduced filter efficiency. google this
group for filtration data that's been posted countless times.


> gutted catalytic converter (Hondas
> don't need this Detroit's piece of sh*t)

idiot.


> fluids: Castrol Syntec 0W-30 or 5W-20 motor oil, PEAK 50/50 lifetime
> antifreeze , Dexron II ATF with Lubegard ATF Protectant

so where are you going to buy dexron II??? at the honda dealer! it's
called "honda z1 transmission fluid".



> filters: WIX oil filter and fuel filter
>
> Note: DO NOT use Honda Z1 in your 89 civic's transmission.

utter bullshit.

> As a matter
> of fact, all pre-1994 Hondas left the factories with Dexron II in the
> transmission

which you can't easily buy any more. castrol don't make it for
instance. stick to honda z1. transmission works great.

Re: 89 civic
 

Body is not great. Wife hates the car. She says I didn't 'talk to
her enough about it'. oh well... lol

Will be replacing brake rotors, they are warped. If the bleeder bolts
on the calipers aren't too corroded, will do a brake fluid flush as
well. Brakes are mushy, hope its not the master cylinder. if I can't
get the bleeders off, will use the turkey baster method.

Will also do the standard fluid changes, oil and tranny specifically.
Coolant is new, PS fluid looks good. Picked up 4L of Honda Z1
today.... $40!!! geez....

A good sign on this car is the OEM oil filter I found underneath.
Also found an OEM timing belt brand new in the box in the trunk. I
will take this as a hint that the timing belt needs to be done soon.

Hopefully once I replace the fluids, and drive it for a week or 2,
some of the other tune up items will make themselves more apparent. I
am thinking plugs, plug wires and dist cap and rotor.

So far so good, and drives like a champ. Just got the old manitoba
safety inspection done today, it needed some bulbs and a hole in the
muffler welded over. $80 later I have a 'road worthy' vehicle...

t


On May 4, 10:43 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> loewent wrote:
> > Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
> > that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
> > repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
>
> > I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
> > be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
> > longer.
>
> > Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
> > May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
> > my 98.
>
> > Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
> > a head gasket issue.
>
> > Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
> > been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.
>
> > t
>
> > On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
> >> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> >>> the back end
> >>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
> >>> away with
> >>> no injuries.
> >>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
> >>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> >>> settlement on
> >>> a car.
> >>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> >>> $375. �Body is
> >>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
> >>> miles.
> >> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
> >> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>
> >> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>
> >> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
> >> this era are failed head gaskets.
>
> >>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> >>> months to a
> >>> year out of er.
> >>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
> >> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
> >> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
> >> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
> >> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>
> >> When was the timing belt replaced?
>
> >> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
> >> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
> >> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was good,
> the brakes good, and leave it at that.
>
> there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
> t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
> 6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were going to
> thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.- Hide quotedtext -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: 89 civic
 

loewent wrote:
> Body is not great. Wife hates the car. She says I didn't 'talk to
> her enough about it'. oh well... lol

oh well!

>
> Will be replacing brake rotors, they are warped.

before you replace, do this:
scrape off the hub face, and the inside of the wheel so they're both
free of rust. smear a little antiseize on both surfaces, then re-torque
the lug nuts in a 2 or more stage process, in the correct sequence,
correct torque.

every single time i've ever had a honda go in the shop where they fasten
wheels with air tools, the disks "warp". every time i do the above, the
"warp" magically disappears. no disk replacements for me.


> If the bleeder bolts
> on the calipers aren't too corroded, will do a brake fluid flush as
> well. Brakes are mushy, hope its not the master cylinder.

sounds like you need to do the bleeding all the way through. need to
open up those bleed nipples even if you drill and replace.


> if I can't
> get the bleeders off, will use the turkey baster method.

sometimes you can try bleeding at the banjo bolt, but it's not
recommended because it's easy to make things worse, not better.


>
> Will also do the standard fluid changes, oil and tranny specifically.
> Coolant is new, PS fluid looks good. Picked up 4L of Honda Z1
> today.... $40!!! geez....
>
> A good sign on this car is the OEM oil filter I found underneath.
> Also found an OEM timing belt brand new in the box in the trunk. I
> will take this as a hint that the timing belt needs to be done soon.
>
> Hopefully once I replace the fluids, and drive it for a week or 2,
> some of the other tune up items will make themselves more apparent. I
> am thinking plugs, plug wires and dist cap and rotor.
>
> So far so good, and drives like a champ. Just got the old manitoba
> safety inspection done today, it needed some bulbs and a hole in the
> muffler welded over. $80 later I have a 'road worthy' vehicle...
>
> t
>
>
> On May 4, 10:43 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> loewent wrote:
>>> Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
>>> that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
>>> repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
>>> I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
>>> be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
>>> longer.
>>> Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
>>> May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
>>> my 98.
>>> Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
>>> a head gasket issue.
>>> Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
>>> been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.
>>> t
>>> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
>>>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
>>>>> the back end
>>>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
>>>>> away with
>>>>> no injuries.
>>>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
>>>>> settlement on
>>>>> a car.
>>>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
>>>>> $375. �Body is
>>>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
>>>>> miles.
>>>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
>>>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>>>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>>>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
>>>> this era are failed head gaskets.
>>>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
>>>>> months to a
>>>>> year out of er.
>>>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>>>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
>>>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
>>>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
>>>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>>>> When was the timing belt replaced?
>>>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
>>>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
>>>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>> if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was good,
>> the brakes good, and leave it at that.
>>
>> there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
>> t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
>> 6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were going to
>> thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

Re: 89 civic
 

Replaced the sparkplug o-rings today.... they were leaking like
sieves..... Couldn't figure out why the car smelt like it had an oil
leak, but wasn't losing any oil... I guess as the spark plug tubes
filled up, they got to the point when they were in contact with the
plug boots, and made a burnt oil smell.

Also, rummaging around in the trunk of my newly acquired car, I found
a box... had a brand new OEM timing belt in it. SWEET... that belt is
worth like $60 up here! This leads me to beleive the former owner was
thinking about doing the t-belt sometime soon... Can I use a new belt
that has been sitting in the box in the trunk for 2 years?

t


On Apr 30, 10:12 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> > the back end
> > of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and walked
> > away with
> > no injuries.
>
> > 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> > So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> > settlement on
> > a car.
>
> > Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> > $375. Body is
> > a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k
> > miles.
>
> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>
> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>
> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
> this era are failed head gaskets.
>
> > Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> > months to a
> > year out of er.
>
> > Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>
> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>
> When was the timing belt replaced?
>
> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: 89 civic
 

loewent wrote:
> Replaced the sparkplug o-rings today.... they were leaking like
> sieves..... Couldn't figure out why the car smelt like it had an oil
> leak, but wasn't losing any oil... I guess as the spark plug tubes
> filled up, they got to the point when they were in contact with the
> plug boots, and made a burnt oil smell.

do the "b" seals, but don't bother with the ones below that. unless the
cam gets unbolted, they never leak.


>
> Also, rummaging around in the trunk of my newly acquired car, I found
> a box... had a brand new OEM timing belt in it. SWEET... that belt is
> worth like $60 up here! This leads me to beleive the former owner was
> thinking about doing the t-belt sometime soon... Can I use a new belt
> that has been sitting in the box in the trunk for 2 years?

sure.


>
> t
>
>
> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
>>> the back end
>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
>>> away with
>>> no injuries.
>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
>>> settlement on
>>> a car.
>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
>>> $375. �Body is
>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
>>> miles.
>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>>
>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>>
>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
>> this era are failed head gaskets.
>>
>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
>>> months to a
>>> year out of er.
>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>>
>> When was the timing belt replaced?
>>
>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>

Re: 89 civic
 

I personally would not expect a boxed timing belt to degrade
after two years. Coincidentally I had a bagged one in the
closet for about two years. I installed it last summer. No
problems as yet. :-)

"loewent" <loewent@gmail.com> wrote
Replaced the sparkplug o-rings today.... they were leaking
like
sieves..... Couldn't figure out why the car smelt like it
had an oil
leak, but wasn't losing any oil... I guess as the spark
plug tubes
filled up, they got to the point when they were in contact
with the
plug boots, and made a burnt oil smell.

Also, rummaging around in the trunk of my newly acquired
car, I found
a box... had a brand new OEM timing belt in it. SWEET...
that belt is
worth like $60 up here! This leads me to beleive the former
owner was
thinking about doing the t-belt sometime soon... Can I use
a new belt
that has been sitting in the box in the trunk for 2 years?

t


On Apr 30, 10:12 am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net>
wrote:
> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> > the back end
> > of a 93 ranger. I was the only one in the car, and
> > walked
> > away with
> > no injuries.
>
> > 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>
> > So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> > settlement on
> > a car.
>
> > Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> > $375. Body is
> > a little rough, but runs like a charm! 276k kms, 171k
> > miles.
>
> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts
> from
> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>
> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>
> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics
> of
> this era are failed head gaskets.
>
> > Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> > months to a
> > year out of er.
>
> > Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>
> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to
> last
> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>
> When was the timing belt replaced?
>
> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: 89 civic
 

As for the brakes, I am thinking rotor replacement with some
'cheapies'.... my father in law decided to do me a favour while we
were resurrecting this car, he thought the car may not pass safety
inspection with visible rust on the disks... (actually that is pretty
likely, most shops will try to use any leverage they can to get extra $
$ for parts outta you) so on the way from his place to the shop (about
20km highway drive) he spent the whole time speeding up and braking
hard. He said he did this to the point where the brake fluid was so
hot, the brakes wouldn't work anymore... Wish he woulda just left it
alone, I would have rather argued with the shop than have to replace
the rotors.... :(

Finally did the oil change and transmission fluid rotation yesterday.
The 2 year old oil in this car looked great still, I'm glad I ran the
car for a couple weeks before changing it... gave it a chance to clean
the engine out some.

As for the trannie fluid, dropped 2.5 liters out of the trannie, it
looked pretty good, a little particulate in it to make it less than
crystal clear. Also, it looked like regular dexron, especially when I
compared it to the Honda Z1 I added, the colour is very different...
red (dex) vs flourescent pink (z1).

Shifts are much softer now... don't let anyone tell you Honda Z1 is a
waste of money.

I will let the trannie run for a couple weeks now and do another fluid
'rotation'... good ole drain and fill....

Also, this being my first time underneath this car for any extended
period... I was very impressed to see that there is NO corrosion
anywhere on the underside of this vehicle. The outside is rough and
rusty, underneath it might as well be a brand new car... exhaust
system included! Very odd to find a car in this condition at this age
in the Manitoba Rust Belt....

t



On May 6, 10:50 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> loewent wrote:
> > Body is not great. Wife hates the car. She says I didn't 'talk to
> > her enough about it'. oh well... lol
>
> oh well!
>
>
>
> > Will be replacing brake rotors, they are warped.
>
> before you replace, do this:
> scrape off the hub face, and the inside of the wheel so they're both
> free of rust. smear a little antiseize on both surfaces, then re-torque
> the lug nuts in a 2 or more stage process, in the correct sequence,
> correct torque.
>
> every single time i've ever had a honda go in the shop where they fasten
> wheels with air tools, the disks "warp". every time i do the above, the
> "warp" magically disappears. no disk replacements for me.
>
> > If the bleeder bolts
> > on the calipers aren't too corroded, will do a brake fluid flush as
> > well. Brakes are mushy, hope its not the master cylinder.
>
> sounds like you need to do the bleeding all the way through. need to
> open up those bleed nipples even if you drill and replace.
>
> > if I can't
> > get the bleeders off, will use the turkey baster method.
>
> sometimes you can try bleeding at the banjo bolt, but it's not
> recommended because it's easy to make things worse, not better.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Will also do the standard fluid changes, oil and tranny specifically.
> > Coolant is new, PS fluid looks good. Picked up 4L of Honda Z1
> > today.... $40!!! geez....
>
> > A good sign on this car is the OEM oil filter I found underneath.
> > Also found an OEM timing belt brand new in the box in the trunk. I
> > will take this as a hint that the timing belt needs to be done soon.
>
> > Hopefully once I replace the fluids, and drive it for a week or 2,
> > some of the other tune up items will make themselves more apparent. I
> > am thinking plugs, plug wires and dist cap and rotor.
>
> > So far so good, and drives like a champ. Just got the old manitoba
> > safety inspection done today, it needed some bulbs and a hole in the
> > muffler welded over. $80 later I have a 'road worthy' vehicle...
>
> > t
>
> > On May 4, 10:43 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> loewent wrote:
> >>> Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
> >>> that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
> >>> repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
> >>> I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
> >>> be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
> >>> longer.
> >>> Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
> >>> May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
> >>> my 98.
> >>> Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
> >>> a head gasket issue.
> >>> Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
> >>> been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.
> >>> t
> >>> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
> >>>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
> >>>>> the back end
> >>>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
> >>>>> away with
> >>>>> no injuries.
> >>>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
> >>>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
> >>>>> settlement on
> >>>>> a car.
> >>>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
> >>>>> $375. �Body is
> >>>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
> >>>>> miles.
> >>>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
> >>>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
> >>>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
> >>>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
> >>>> this era are failed head gaskets.
> >>>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
> >>>>> months to a
> >>>>> year out of er.
> >>>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
> >>>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
> >>>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
> >>>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
> >>>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
> >>>> When was the timing belt replaced?
> >>>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
> >>>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
> >>>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >> if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was good,
> >> the brakes good, and leave it at that.
>
> >> there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
> >> t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
> >> 6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were going to
> >> thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Re: 89 civic
 

loewent wrote:
> As for the brakes, I am thinking rotor replacement with some
> 'cheapies'.... my father in law decided to do me a favour while we
> were resurrecting this car, he thought the car may not pass safety
> inspection with visible rust on the disks... (actually that is pretty
> likely, most shops will try to use any leverage they can to get extra $
> $ for parts outta you) so on the way from his place to the shop (about
> 20km highway drive) he spent the whole time speeding up and braking
> hard. He said he did this to the point where the brake fluid was so
> hot, the brakes wouldn't work anymore...

that's less likely to be brake fluid, and much more likely to be cheapo
after-market pads. for about five extra bucks, you get honda pads,
shims and anti-squeal grease. oh, and very good fade resistance.



> Wish he woulda just left it
> alone, I would have rather argued with the shop than have to replace
> the rotors.... :(

my experience with aftermarket rotors is ok, so consider those if you're
saving bucks on a car like this. don't go for the cheapest chinese
disks though - i've seen casting errors and cracking. stock replacement
brembos from somewhere like summit are just dandy.


>
> Finally did the oil change and transmission fluid rotation yesterday.
> The 2 year old oil in this car looked great still, I'm glad I ran the
> car for a couple weeks before changing it... gave it a chance to clean
> the engine out some.
>
> As for the trannie fluid, dropped 2.5 liters out of the trannie, it
> looked pretty good, a little particulate in it to make it less than
> crystal clear. Also, it looked like regular dexron, especially when I
> compared it to the Honda Z1 I added, the colour is very different...
> red (dex) vs flourescent pink (z1).
>
> Shifts are much softer now... don't let anyone tell you Honda Z1 is a
> waste of money.

indeed. basically, the only people that tell you otherwise are those
with no experience of this!


>
> I will let the trannie run for a couple weeks now and do another fluid
> 'rotation'... good ole drain and fill....
>
> Also, this being my first time underneath this car for any extended
> period... I was very impressed to see that there is NO corrosion
> anywhere on the underside of this vehicle. The outside is rough and
> rusty, underneath it might as well be a brand new car... exhaust
> system included! Very odd to find a car in this condition at this age
> in the Manitoba Rust Belt....
>
> t
>
>
>
> On May 6, 10:50 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> loewent wrote:
>>> Body is not great. Wife hates the car. She says I didn't 'talk to
>>> her enough about it'. oh well... lol
>> oh well!
>>
>>
>>
>>> Will be replacing brake rotors, they are warped.
>> before you replace, do this:
>> scrape off the hub face, and the inside of the wheel so they're both
>> free of rust. smear a little antiseize on both surfaces, then re-torque
>> the lug nuts in a 2 or more stage process, in the correct sequence,
>> correct torque.
>>
>> every single time i've ever had a honda go in the shop where they fasten
>> wheels with air tools, the disks "warp". every time i do the above, the
>> "warp" magically disappears. no disk replacements for me.
>>
>>> If the bleeder bolts
>>> on the calipers aren't too corroded, will do a brake fluid flush as
>>> well. Brakes are mushy, hope its not the master cylinder.
>> sounds like you need to do the bleeding all the way through. need to
>> open up those bleed nipples even if you drill and replace.
>>
>>> if I can't
>>> get the bleeders off, will use the turkey baster method.
>> sometimes you can try bleeding at the banjo bolt, but it's not
>> recommended because it's easy to make things worse, not better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Will also do the standard fluid changes, oil and tranny specifically.
>>> Coolant is new, PS fluid looks good. Picked up 4L of Honda Z1
>>> today.... $40!!! geez....
>>> A good sign on this car is the OEM oil filter I found underneath.
>>> Also found an OEM timing belt brand new in the box in the trunk. I
>>> will take this as a hint that the timing belt needs to be done soon.
>>> Hopefully once I replace the fluids, and drive it for a week or 2,
>>> some of the other tune up items will make themselves more apparent. I
>>> am thinking plugs, plug wires and dist cap and rotor.
>>> So far so good, and drives like a champ. Just got the old manitoba
>>> safety inspection done today, it needed some bulbs and a hole in the
>>> muffler welded over. $80 later I have a 'road worthy' vehicle...
>>> t
>>> On May 4, 10:43 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>> loewent wrote:
>>>>> Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
>>>>> that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
>>>>> repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
>>>>> I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I would
>>>>> be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
>>>>> longer.
>>>>> Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
>>>>> May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing it on
>>>>> my 98.
>>>>> Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
>>>>> a head gasket issue.
>>>>> Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it had
>>>>> been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2 years.
>>>>> t
>>>>> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
>>>>>>> the back end
>>>>>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
>>>>>>> away with
>>>>>>> no injuries.
>>>>>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>>>>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
>>>>>>> settlement on
>>>>>>> a car.
>>>>>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
>>>>>>> $375. �Body is
>>>>>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
>>>>>>> miles.
>>>>>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
>>>>>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>>>>>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>>>>>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
>>>>>> this era are failed head gaskets.
>>>>>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
>>>>>>> months to a
>>>>>>> year out of er.
>>>>>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>>>>>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
>>>>>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
>>>>>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
>>>>>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>>>>>> When was the timing belt replaced?
>>>>>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
>>>>>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
>>>>>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>> if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was good,
>>>> the brakes good, and leave it at that.
>>>> there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
>>>> t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
>>>> 6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were going to
>>>> thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.- Hide quoted text -
>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>

Re: 89 civic
 

jim beam wrote:
> loewent wrote:
>> As for the brakes, I am thinking rotor replacement with some
>> 'cheapies'.... my father in law decided to do me a favour while we
>> were resurrecting this car, he thought the car may not pass safety
>> inspection with visible rust on the disks... (actually that is pretty
>> likely, most shops will try to use any leverage they can to get extra $
>> $ for parts outta you) so on the way from his place to the shop (about
>> 20km highway drive) he spent the whole time speeding up and braking
>> hard. He said he did this to the point where the brake fluid was so
>> hot, the brakes wouldn't work anymore...
>
> that's less likely to be brake fluid, and much more likely to be cheapo
> after-market pads. for about five extra bucks, you get honda pads,
> shims and anti-squeal grease. oh, and very good fade resistance.
>
>
>
>> Wish he woulda just left it
>> alone, I would have rather argued with the shop than have to replace
>> the rotors.... :(
>
> my experience with aftermarket rotors is ok, so consider those if you're
> saving bucks on a car like this. don't go for the cheapest chinese
> disks though - i've seen casting errors and cracking. stock replacement
> brembos from somewhere like summit are just dandy.

one more thing - if you have the original '89 brake calipers, you need
to make sure the disks are the right ones. most aftermarket, and indeed
honda disks, assume you've changed to a later style caliper that takes a
slightly thicker disk. that thicker disk will just fit inside the older
caliper, but it will rub when you go around corners. shops will just
skim the disks so they fit, which i don't like since so many shops don't
cut disks exactly square.

bottom line, check into this and make sure you either have the right
disks or the right calipers. i shopped around and found the right
disks, but the honda dealer didn't have them. if the car were a keeper,
i'd suggest going for the new calipers too, but hey, maybe you can just
get new pads and use silicon carbide paper to get the rust off the disk
faces if your originals are not too badly grooved or worn.


>
>
>>
>> Finally did the oil change and transmission fluid rotation yesterday.
>> The 2 year old oil in this car looked great still, I'm glad I ran the
>> car for a couple weeks before changing it... gave it a chance to clean
>> the engine out some.
>>
>> As for the trannie fluid, dropped 2.5 liters out of the trannie, it
>> looked pretty good, a little particulate in it to make it less than
>> crystal clear. Also, it looked like regular dexron, especially when I
>> compared it to the Honda Z1 I added, the colour is very different...
>> red (dex) vs flourescent pink (z1).
>>
>> Shifts are much softer now... don't let anyone tell you Honda Z1 is a
>> waste of money.
>
> indeed. basically, the only people that tell you otherwise are those
> with no experience of this!
>
>
>>
>> I will let the trannie run for a couple weeks now and do another fluid
>> 'rotation'... good ole drain and fill....
>>
>> Also, this being my first time underneath this car for any extended
>> period... I was very impressed to see that there is NO corrosion
>> anywhere on the underside of this vehicle. The outside is rough and
>> rusty, underneath it might as well be a brand new car... exhaust
>> system included! Very odd to find a car in this condition at this age
>> in the Manitoba Rust Belt....
>>
>> t
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 6, 10:50 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>> loewent wrote:
>>>> Body is not great. Wife hates the car. She says I didn't 'talk to
>>>> her enough about it'. oh well... lol
>>> oh well!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Will be replacing brake rotors, they are warped.
>>> before you replace, do this:
>>> scrape off the hub face, and the inside of the wheel so they're both
>>> free of rust. smear a little antiseize on both surfaces, then re-torque
>>> the lug nuts in a 2 or more stage process, in the correct sequence,
>>> correct torque.
>>>
>>> every single time i've ever had a honda go in the shop where they fasten
>>> wheels with air tools, the disks "warp". every time i do the above, the
>>> "warp" magically disappears. no disk replacements for me.
>>>
>>>> If the bleeder bolts
>>>> on the calipers aren't too corroded, will do a brake fluid flush as
>>>> well. Brakes are mushy, hope its not the master cylinder.
>>> sounds like you need to do the bleeding all the way through. need to
>>> open up those bleed nipples even if you drill and replace.
>>>
>>>> if I can't
>>>> get the bleeders off, will use the turkey baster method.
>>> sometimes you can try bleeding at the banjo bolt, but it's not
>>> recommended because it's easy to make things worse, not better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Will also do the standard fluid changes, oil and tranny specifically.
>>>> Coolant is new, PS fluid looks good. Picked up 4L of Honda Z1
>>>> today.... $40!!! geez....
>>>> A good sign on this car is the OEM oil filter I found underneath.
>>>> Also found an OEM timing belt brand new in the box in the trunk. I
>>>> will take this as a hint that the timing belt needs to be done soon.
>>>> Hopefully once I replace the fluids, and drive it for a week or 2,
>>>> some of the other tune up items will make themselves more apparent. I
>>>> am thinking plugs, plug wires and dist cap and rotor.
>>>> So far so good, and drives like a champ. Just got the old manitoba
>>>> safety inspection done today, it needed some bulbs and a hole in the
>>>> muffler welded over. $80 later I have a 'road worthy' vehicle...
>>>> t
>>>> On May 4, 10:43 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> loewent wrote:
>>>>>> Body is really rough. Good old winnipeg road salt can be blamed for
>>>>>> that. There is a small hole in one of the rocker panels, we are
>>>>>> repairing it. Rust at the bottom of the doors.
>>>>>> I probably won't spend alot of money on it. I should clarify, I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be happy if it lasted 6 months, though I am sure it will go for much
>>>>>> longer.
>>>>>> Not sure on the t-belt, will inspect to see if it looks fresh or not.
>>>>>> May just swap it out anyways, can't be much different than doing
>>>>>> it on
>>>>>> my 98.
>>>>>> Antifreeze was clean, after sitting 2 yrs, I don't think this one has
>>>>>> a head gasket issue.
>>>>>> Literally put a different battery in and the thing started like it
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> been used every day, but in reality had been sitting for over 2
>>>>>> years.
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> On Apr 30, 10:12�am, "Elle" <honda.lion...@spamnocox.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "loewent" <loew...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Well the legacy is over, my 98 civic has met its fate on
>>>>>>>> the back end
>>>>>>>> of a 93 ranger. �I was the only one in the car, and walked
>>>>>>>> away with
>>>>>>>> no injuries.
>>>>>>>> 10500 in damage, it is beyond repair.
>>>>>>>> So I need a car, don't want to spend the whole insurance
>>>>>>>> settlement on
>>>>>>>> a car.
>>>>>>>> Yesterday I picked up an 89 civic 4 door automatic for
>>>>>>>> $375. �Body is
>>>>>>>> a little rough, but runs like a charm! �276k kms, 171k
>>>>>>>> miles.
>>>>>>> Original owner, 91 Civic, 203k miles here. I get parts from
>>>>>>> 89 Civics at the junkyard all the time for my 91.
>>>>>>> Why's the price so low? Just the rough body?
>>>>>>> One thing I am on the lookout for with low priced Civics of
>>>>>>> this era are failed head gaskets.
>>>>>>>> Taking it for a safety tomorrow, hoping to get about 6
>>>>>>>> months to a
>>>>>>>> year out of er.
>>>>>>>> Any pointers from anyone on this vintage of civic?
>>>>>>> Check for oil in the spark plug tubes. For a car this old
>>>>>>> with this many miles, it's likely the camshaft holder-cyl
>>>>>>> head O-rings are leaking. OTOH, if you only want it to last
>>>>>>> six months, maybe you can forego this job.
>>>>>>> When was the timing belt replaced?
>>>>>>> Suspension could probably stand rebuilding, butagain, for
>>>>>>> only six months, I think the above is all I'd be really
>>>>>>> worried about.- Hide quoted text -
>>>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> if the body's that bad, i'd just make sure the ignition system was
>>>>> good,
>>>>> the brakes good, and leave it at that.
>>>>> there's lots more you can do if you want, main relay, valve lash,
>>>>> t-belt, rear trailing arm bushings, but they're not worth it for a
>>>>> 6-month gig. unless you want to have a bit of fun. if i were
>>>>> going to
>>>>> thrash it, i'd inspect the t-belt and bushings as a priority.- Hide
>>>>> quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>