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futronic 05-10-2005 12:07 PM

90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
any help greatly appreciated.
It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
overpowering odor. I can see the spark go from the wire to the
block, also there is oil? above the other spark plugs.
is it the fuel injectors?
This car is a 5 speed, I really loved driving it, 2.2 4 cyclinder.


halo2 guy 05-10-2005 01:28 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
If you have spark you then need fuel and air.

I would want to know if your injector is working on that cylinder and I
would want to know what the compression test shows.

That is where I would tend to go first.

One more thing. How do you know which cylinder it is?


"futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net> wrote in message
news:4280DC4B.7040106@qwesty.net...
> any help greatly appreciated.
> It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
> 200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
> full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
> result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
> but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling. overpowering
> odor. I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there
> is oil? above the other spark plugs.
> is it the fuel injectors?
> This car is a 5 speed, I really loved driving it, 2.2 4 cyclinder.
>




halo2 guy 05-10-2005 01:28 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
If you have spark you then need fuel and air.

I would want to know if your injector is working on that cylinder and I
would want to know what the compression test shows.

That is where I would tend to go first.

One more thing. How do you know which cylinder it is?


"futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net> wrote in message
news:4280DC4B.7040106@qwesty.net...
> any help greatly appreciated.
> It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
> 200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
> full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
> result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
> but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling. overpowering
> odor. I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there
> is oil? above the other spark plugs.
> is it the fuel injectors?
> This car is a 5 speed, I really loved driving it, 2.2 4 cyclinder.
>




futronic 05-10-2005 02:05 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 


halo2 guy wrote:

>If you have spark you then need fuel and air.
>
>I would want to know if your injector is working on that cylinder and I
>would want to know what the compression test shows.
>
>That is where I would tend to go first.
>
>One more thing. How do you know which cylinder it is?
>
>
>
>

I can pull the plug wires, one at a time, as I pull each of the other
three, the engine slows and shakes even more, I asssume down to two
cylinders,. As I pull the first one, the engine just shakes the same.
So I guess that I will get it tested. $60 more for a car I might just
junk. I just bought a 92 accord wagon with only 120,000 miles, runs
great and smooth, only it is an automatic, boring and slower.

>
>



futronic 05-10-2005 02:05 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 


halo2 guy wrote:

>If you have spark you then need fuel and air.
>
>I would want to know if your injector is working on that cylinder and I
>would want to know what the compression test shows.
>
>That is where I would tend to go first.
>
>One more thing. How do you know which cylinder it is?
>
>
>
>

I can pull the plug wires, one at a time, as I pull each of the other
three, the engine slows and shakes even more, I asssume down to two
cylinders,. As I pull the first one, the engine just shakes the same.
So I guess that I will get it tested. $60 more for a car I might just
junk. I just bought a 92 accord wagon with only 120,000 miles, runs
great and smooth, only it is an automatic, boring and slower.

>
>



Eric 05-11-2005 09:42 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
futronic wrote:
>
> any help greatly appreciated.
> It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
> 200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
> full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
> result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
> but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
> overpowering odor.


Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
possible until you get this problem sorted out.

> I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
> above the other spark plugs.


The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.

By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.

Eric

Eric 05-11-2005 09:42 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
futronic wrote:
>
> any help greatly appreciated.
> It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
> 200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
> full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
> result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
> but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
> overpowering odor.


Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
possible until you get this problem sorted out.

> I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
> above the other spark plugs.


The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.

By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.

Eric

futronic 05-14-2005 12:18 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 


Eric wrote:

>futronic wrote:
>
>
>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>> overpowering odor.
>>
>>

>
>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>
>
>
>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>above the other spark plugs.
>>
>>

>
>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>
>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
>I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>
>Eric
>
>

the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get the
compression checked.
I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator, new
radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them for my
92 accord wagon.
thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me its
done.
dan


futronic 05-14-2005 12:18 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 


Eric wrote:

>futronic wrote:
>
>
>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>> overpowering odor.
>>
>>

>
>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>
>
>
>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>above the other spark plugs.
>>
>>

>
>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>
>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
>I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>
>Eric
>
>

the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get the
compression checked.
I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator, new
radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them for my
92 accord wagon.
thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me its
done.
dan


hondaman 05-14-2005 06:08 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles if they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure it's nice transportation.


-jeff
"futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net> wrote in message news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...


Eric wrote:

futronic wrote:
any help greatly appreciated.
It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
overpowering odor.

Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
possible until you get this problem sorted out.

I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
above the other spark plugs.

The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.

By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.

Eric
the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get the compression checked.
I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator, new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them for my 92 accord wagon.
thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me its done.
dan


hondaman 05-14-2005 06:08 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles if they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure it's nice transportation.


-jeff
"futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net> wrote in message news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...


Eric wrote:

futronic wrote:
any help greatly appreciated.
It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
overpowering odor.

Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
possible until you get this problem sorted out.

I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
above the other spark plugs.

The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.

By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.

Eric
the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get the compression checked.
I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator, new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them for my 92 accord wagon.
thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me its done.
dan


jim beam 05-14-2005 06:24 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
hondaman wrote:
> i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder
> which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles
> if they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure
> it's nice transportation.
>
>
> -jeff


"your engine is shot" is not helpful advice. diagnose the problem, then
decide on repair economics. if it's compression, and the motor's not
burning oil with the plug looking ok, it's probably a burnt valve -
relatively simple & not too expensive to repair, in parts at any rate.

the o.p. should make sure the valves are adjusted like it says in the
owners manual & keep driving the car. if it's been well maintained,
that motor will have at least another 100k in it.

>
> "futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net
> <mailto:futonconnection@qwesty.net>> wrote in message
> news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>
>>futronic wrote:
>>
>>
>>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>>> overpowering odor.
>>>

>>
>>
>>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
>>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
>>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
>>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>>above the other spark plugs.
>>>

>>
>>
>>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
>>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
>>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
>>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>>
>>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
>>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
>>I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>>
>>Eric
>>

>
> the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get
> the compression checked.
> I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator,
> new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them
> for my 92 accord wagon.
> thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me
> its done.
> dan



jim beam 05-14-2005 06:24 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
hondaman wrote:
> i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder
> which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles
> if they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure
> it's nice transportation.
>
>
> -jeff


"your engine is shot" is not helpful advice. diagnose the problem, then
decide on repair economics. if it's compression, and the motor's not
burning oil with the plug looking ok, it's probably a burnt valve -
relatively simple & not too expensive to repair, in parts at any rate.

the o.p. should make sure the valves are adjusted like it says in the
owners manual & keep driving the car. if it's been well maintained,
that motor will have at least another 100k in it.

>
> "futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net
> <mailto:futonconnection@qwesty.net>> wrote in message
> news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...
>
>
> Eric wrote:
>
>>futronic wrote:
>>
>>
>>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>>> overpowering odor.
>>>

>>
>>
>>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it (this
>>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due to
>>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little as
>>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>>above the other spark plugs.
>>>

>>
>>
>>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem, then
>>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam towers
>>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace so
>>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>>
>>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder? A
>>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K miles.
>>I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>>
>>Eric
>>

>
> the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get
> the compression checked.
> I stopped driving it , Now I may just take out the new alternator,
> new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them
> for my 92 accord wagon.
> thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me
> its done.
> dan



hondaman 05-15-2005 12:46 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
it's helpful advice because why pour money into an old car that probably
isn't worth spending hundreds of dollars on when you have another car that's
better already? loss of compression happens with age on hondas. if the
people who owned it maintained it really well without using cheap parts for
tuneups then it shouldn't happen. have it checked out if you want but most
mechanics will tell you it's going to cost more than the car is worth.


-jeff
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:W4ydnc-LLqkw5xvfRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...
> hondaman wrote:
>> i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder
>> which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles if
>> they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure it's
>> nice transportation.
>> -jeff

>
> "your engine is shot" is not helpful advice. diagnose the problem, then
> decide on repair economics. if it's compression, and the motor's not
> burning oil with the plug looking ok, it's probably a burnt valve -
> relatively simple & not too expensive to repair, in parts at any rate.
>
> the o.p. should make sure the valves are adjusted like it says in the
> owners manual & keep driving the car. if it's been well maintained, that
> motor will have at least another 100k in it.
>
>>
>> "futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net
>> <mailto:futonconnection@qwesty.net>> wrote in message
>> news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...
>>
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>
>>>futronic wrote:
>>>
>>>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>>>> overpowering odor.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>>>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it
>>>(this
>>>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due
>>>to
>>>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little
>>>as
>>>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>>>above the other spark plugs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>>>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem,
>>>then
>>>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam
>>>towers
>>>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace
>>>so
>>>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>>>
>>>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder?
>>>A
>>>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>>>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>>>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K
>>>miles. I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>

>>
>> the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get
>> the compression checked. I stopped driving it , Now I may just take
>> out the new alternator,
>> new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them
>> for my 92 accord wagon.
>> thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me
>> its done. dan

>




hondaman 05-15-2005 12:46 PM

Re: 90 accord 3 cylinder problems
 
it's helpful advice because why pour money into an old car that probably
isn't worth spending hundreds of dollars on when you have another car that's
better already? loss of compression happens with age on hondas. if the
people who owned it maintained it really well without using cheap parts for
tuneups then it shouldn't happen. have it checked out if you want but most
mechanics will tell you it's going to cost more than the car is worth.


-jeff
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:W4ydnc-LLqkw5xvfRVn-pQ@speakeasy.net...
> hondaman wrote:
>> i think your engine is shot. you've lost compression in that cylinder
>> which is pretty much what happens to them with age and that many miles if
>> they weren't well maintained. start switching to the wagon. i'm sure it's
>> nice transportation.
>> -jeff

>
> "your engine is shot" is not helpful advice. diagnose the problem, then
> decide on repair economics. if it's compression, and the motor's not
> burning oil with the plug looking ok, it's probably a burnt valve -
> relatively simple & not too expensive to repair, in parts at any rate.
>
> the o.p. should make sure the valves are adjusted like it says in the
> owners manual & keep driving the car. if it's been well maintained, that
> motor will have at least another 100k in it.
>
>>
>> "futronic" <futonconnection@qwesty.net
>> <mailto:futonconnection@qwesty.net>> wrote in message
>> news:428624CD.7050702@qwesty.net...
>>
>>
>> Eric wrote:
>>
>>>futronic wrote:
>>>
>>>>any help greatly appreciated.
>>>>It costs $60 for a diagonosis, I have lost the first cylinder at
>>>>200,000 miles. oil is brown like it is suppose to be. The coolant is
>>>>full and green. the spark plugs have been switched around with same
>>>>result, #1 (on the left) is not firing. I can still go 70mph plus,
>>>>but it shakes and there is a ton of fumes, gassy smelling.
>>>> overpowering odor.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Driving the car on 3 cylinders will dramatically shorten the life of the
>>>catalytic converter due to all the unburned gas that's getting into it
>>>(this
>>>assumes the fuel injector is still working which it sounds like it is due
>>>to
>>>your description of a bad fume smell). I would drive the car as little
>>>as
>>>possible until you get this problem sorted out.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I can see the spark go from the wire to the block, also there is oil?
>>>>above the other spark plugs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The oil is likely leaking past the spark plug tube seals at the valve
>>>cover. These should be replaced. If this doesn't fix the oil problem,
>>>then
>>>the oil could be coming from the lower seals which go between the cam
>>>towers
>>>and cylinder head. The latter seals are much more difficult to replace
>>>so
>>>try replacing the upper seals first and recheck it in a week or two.
>>>
>>>By the way, have you checked the compression on the misfiring cylinder?
>>>A
>>>burnt valve could be causing the problem. In addition, what is the
>>>condition of the spark plug electrode? Is there oil, soot, etc? By the
>>>way, spark plug wires should typically be replaced about every 100K
>>>miles. I would recommend either Honda or NGK wires.
>>>
>>>Eric
>>>

>>
>> the spark plug looked fine, just like the rest of them, I will get
>> the compression checked. I stopped driving it , Now I may just take
>> out the new alternator,
>> new radiator, nice wheels and tires, new $100 battery and save them
>> for my 92 accord wagon.
>> thanks for the help, I just hate spending money for them to tell me
>> its done. dan

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