91 Civic Won't Start
I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start
anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Chuck |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06:
> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start > anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle > body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is > intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I > disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but > that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the > throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU > blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake > indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > Do you hear the fuel pump running when the key is first turned to ON but not to START? This will coincide with the Check Engine light being on for two seconds. Have you looked into the throttle body while cranking to see if fuel is actually being sprayed? Have you tried to alleviate a *flooded* condition? Hold pedal to the floor, then try cranking for a while. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06:
> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start > anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle > body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is > intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I > disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but > that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the > throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU > blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake > indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > Do you hear the fuel pump running when the key is first turned to ON but not to START? This will coincide with the Check Engine light being on for two seconds. Have you looked into the throttle body while cranking to see if fuel is actually being sprayed? Have you tried to alleviate a *flooded* condition? Hold pedal to the floor, then try cranking for a while. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06:
> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start > anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle > body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is > intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I > disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but > that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the > throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU > blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake > indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > And what color is the spark you see? Blue? White? deep yellow or orange? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06:
> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start > anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle > body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is > intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I > disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but > that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the > throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU > blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake > indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > And what color is the spark you see? Blue? White? deep yellow or orange? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06: > >> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start >> anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle >> body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is >> intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I >> disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but >> that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the >> throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU >> blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake >> indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> > > > Do you hear the fuel pump running when the key is first turned to ON but > not to START? This will coincide with the Check Engine light being on for > two seconds. > Yes, I hear this. I think it was your webpage that told about feeling the relay for 3 clicks. I have these. > Have you looked into the throttle body while cranking to see if fuel is > actually being sprayed? > I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other direction. I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. > Have you tried to alleviate a *flooded* condition? Hold pedal to the floor, > then try cranking for a while. > |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06: > >> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start >> anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle >> body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is >> intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I >> disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but >> that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the >> throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU >> blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake >> indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> > > > Do you hear the fuel pump running when the key is first turned to ON but > not to START? This will coincide with the Check Engine light being on for > two seconds. > Yes, I hear this. I think it was your webpage that told about feeling the relay for 3 clicks. I have these. > Have you looked into the throttle body while cranking to see if fuel is > actually being sprayed? > I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other direction. I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. > Have you tried to alleviate a *flooded* condition? Hold pedal to the floor, > then try cranking for a while. > |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06: > >> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start >> anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle >> body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is >> intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I >> disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but >> that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the >> throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU >> blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake >> indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> > > > > And what color is the spark you see? Blue? White? deep yellow or orange? > It's a whiteish blue. The coil and cap have about 5000 miles on them. The old coil still worked, but was damaged by a bad cap. |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in news:saeYf.4904$Py4.1879@trnddc06: > >> I have a 91 Civic Wagon that ran great but one day just wouldn't start >> anymore. I have spark at all plugs. I've dumped gas into the throtle >> body while cranking and still not even a sputter. The timing belt is >> intact and I checked that is hasn't jumped time. It uses oil, so I >> disconnected the catalytic converter thinking it could be restricted, but >> that made no difference. I just figure with spark and dumping gas in the >> throttle body I'd at least get it to sputter, but not a thing. The ECU >> blinks once when I turn the key to "on". I notice that the brake >> indicator comes on when cranking. Any help will be greatly appreciated. >> >> > > > > And what color is the spark you see? Blue? White? deep yellow or orange? > It's a whiteish blue. The coil and cap have about 5000 miles on them. The old coil still worked, but was damaged by a bad cap. |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in
news:qKeYf.21678$fQ6.10582@trnddc03: >> > I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past > and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders > though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other > direction. > > I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and the fuel pump all get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you should be getting *some* sort of reponse from the engine. Have you checked ignition timing while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out of time 180 degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in
news:qKeYf.21678$fQ6.10582@trnddc03: >> > I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past > and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders > though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other > direction. > > I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and the fuel pump all get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you should be getting *some* sort of reponse from the engine. Have you checked ignition timing while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out of time 180 degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in > news:qKeYf.21678$fQ6.10582@trnddc03: > > >>> >> I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past >> and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders >> though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other >> direction. >> >> I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. > > > If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and the fuel pump all > get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. > I just checked the solder joints on the relay. They all *looked* fine. > No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you should be getting > *some* sort of reponse from the engine. I just pulled all the plugs and checked for spark an its fine on all of them. In fact, what little gas was on the plugs would ignite. >Have you checked ignition timing > while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out of time 180 > degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? > I looked at the top part of the belt when I adjusted the valves and saw nothing but I didn't really inspect the whole thing. What I saw didn't look bad. It was running fine and all of a sudden wouldn't start or do anything. I hate to think what the odds are of the thing jumping time *exactly* 180 degrees. I did notice that when the ignition is on, the EGR selinoid makes some noise. I also hear a click from the MAP sensor. I'm not sure if either of these are normal. BTW, what I call the EGR is what I think it is. My manual doesn't show much. What I'm calling the EGR is located on the RH side of the intake and has hoses to intake and air cleaner. I don't know if either of these would cause it to fail starting. All I have for a timing light is an old fashioned one that won't work. I need to buy an induction type one. > I've read that a condenser will make it not start, but I can't locate it. I assume it's internal to the ignitor. |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote:
> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in > news:qKeYf.21678$fQ6.10582@trnddc03: > > >>> >> I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and gas in the past >> and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach the cylinders >> though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be draining the other >> direction. >> >> I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've checked fuses. > > > If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and the fuel pump all > get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. > I just checked the solder joints on the relay. They all *looked* fine. > No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you should be getting > *some* sort of reponse from the engine. I just pulled all the plugs and checked for spark an its fine on all of them. In fact, what little gas was on the plugs would ignite. >Have you checked ignition timing > while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out of time 180 > degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? > I looked at the top part of the belt when I adjusted the valves and saw nothing but I didn't really inspect the whole thing. What I saw didn't look bad. It was running fine and all of a sudden wouldn't start or do anything. I hate to think what the odds are of the thing jumping time *exactly* 180 degrees. I did notice that when the ignition is on, the EGR selinoid makes some noise. I also hear a click from the MAP sensor. I'm not sure if either of these are normal. BTW, what I call the EGR is what I think it is. My manual doesn't show much. What I'm calling the EGR is located on the RH side of the intake and has hoses to intake and air cleaner. I don't know if either of these would cause it to fail starting. All I have for a timing light is an old fashioned one that won't work. I need to buy an induction type one. > I've read that a condenser will make it not start, but I can't locate it. I assume it's internal to the ignitor. |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
"Chuck" <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote
> On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote: >> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in >>> I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and >>> gas in the past >>> and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach >>> the cylinders >>> though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be >>> draining the other >>> direction. >>> >>> I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've >>> checked fuses. >> >> >> If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and >> the fuel pump all >> get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. >> > > I just checked the solder joints on the relay. They all > *looked* fine. > >> No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you >> should be getting >> *some* sort of reponse from the engine. > > I just pulled all the plugs and checked for spark an its > fine on all of > them. In fact, what little gas was on the plugs would > ignite. > >>Have you checked ignition timing >> while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out >> of time 180 >> degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? >> > I looked at the top part of the belt when I adjusted the > valves and saw > nothing but I didn't really inspect the whole thing. What > I saw didn't > look bad. It was running fine and all of a sudden wouldn't > start or do > anything. I hate to think what the odds are of the thing > jumping time > *exactly* 180 degrees. I did notice that when the ignition > is on, the > EGR selinoid makes some noise. I also hear a click from > the MAP sensor. > I'm not sure if either of these are normal. BTW, what I > call the EGR is > what I think it is. My manual doesn't show much. What I'm > calling the > EGR is located on the RH side of the intake and has hoses > to intake and > air cleaner. I don't know if either of these would cause > it to fail > starting. The 91 fuel injected Civic does not have an EGR system. > All I have for a timing light is an old fashioned one that > won't work. I > need to buy an induction type one. >> > > I've read that a condenser will make it not start, but I > can't locate > it. I assume it's internal to the ignitor. This condenser (a.k.a. "noise suppressor") is supposed to be external on the 91 Civic. Yet I haven't found the one that's supposed to be on my own 91 Civic LX. Still, it's worth seeking. See http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id5.html for some guidance on the subject. You floored the gas pedal, to see if it was flooding, right, per Tegger's site's directions, right? |
Re: 91 Civic Won't Start
"Chuck" <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote
> On 2006-04-03, TeGGeR® <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote: >> Chuck <chuck@westmichigan.net> wrote in >>> I don't see any fuel spray. I tried starting fluid and >>> gas in the past >>> and get nothing, not even a sputter. They may not reach >>> the cylinders >>> though with the car on jackstands the fuel may be >>> draining the other >>> direction. >>> >>> I guess I need to know what feeds the injectors. I've >>> checked fuses. >> >> >> If you have throttle-body injection, the injectors and >> the fuel pump all >> get their power from termial 7 of the Main Relay. >> > > I just checked the solder joints on the relay. They all > *looked* fine. > >> No sputter at all is odd. With a good strong spark, you >> should be getting >> *some* sort of reponse from the engine. > > I just pulled all the plugs and checked for spark an its > fine on all of > them. In fact, what little gas was on the plugs would > ignite. > >>Have you checked ignition timing >> while cranking? Do you have the distributor somehow out >> of time 180 >> degrees? When was the timing belt changed last? >> > I looked at the top part of the belt when I adjusted the > valves and saw > nothing but I didn't really inspect the whole thing. What > I saw didn't > look bad. It was running fine and all of a sudden wouldn't > start or do > anything. I hate to think what the odds are of the thing > jumping time > *exactly* 180 degrees. I did notice that when the ignition > is on, the > EGR selinoid makes some noise. I also hear a click from > the MAP sensor. > I'm not sure if either of these are normal. BTW, what I > call the EGR is > what I think it is. My manual doesn't show much. What I'm > calling the > EGR is located on the RH side of the intake and has hoses > to intake and > air cleaner. I don't know if either of these would cause > it to fail > starting. The 91 fuel injected Civic does not have an EGR system. > All I have for a timing light is an old fashioned one that > won't work. I > need to buy an induction type one. >> > > I've read that a condenser will make it not start, but I > can't locate > it. I assume it's internal to the ignitor. This condenser (a.k.a. "noise suppressor") is supposed to be external on the 91 Civic. Yet I haven't found the one that's supposed to be on my own 91 Civic LX. Still, it's worth seeking. See http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id5.html for some guidance on the subject. You floored the gas pedal, to see if it was flooding, right, per Tegger's site's directions, right? |
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