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91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was
able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I can finish the R & R of the timing belt. Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by one of more teeth. I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is installed] The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this point, please let me know. Thanks Jay C. Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Jay C. wrote:
> > Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > > I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > > Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > one of more teeth. > > I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > installed] > > The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > > If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > point, please let me know. Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note the timing marks are different. http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Jay C. wrote:
> > Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > > I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > > Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > one of more teeth. > > I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > installed] > > The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > > If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > point, please let me know. Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note the timing marks are different. http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual!
People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel "lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? Get a manual and be done with it! John D. Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. > Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > > I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > > Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > one of more teeth. > > I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > installed] > > The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > > If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > point, please let me know. > > Thanks > > Jay C. > Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual!
People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel "lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? Get a manual and be done with it! John D. Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. > Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > > I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > > Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > one of more teeth. > > I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > installed] > > The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > > If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > point, please let me know. > > Thanks > > Jay C. > Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Thanks,
That's the manual I have (Haynes 84-91). I asked the questions below because I'm curious if I'll run into some other difficulties like the one I just resolved (crank bolt). Yeah, the water pump is a good call. It was replaced by a shop a year ago...the same shop that said that the timing belt could probably get by for a little while longer. I suppose I should have asked them to define "little while". It was my fault that this happened because of delaying scheduled maintenance. Never again...if I can't afford to pay a shop do it on its due date, I'll do it myself. Jay C. On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:35:50 GMT, Tom <nospam@attbi.com.invalid> wrote: >Jay C. wrote: >> >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> one of more teeth. >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> installed] >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> point, please let me know. > >Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions >and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced >recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good >access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note >the timing marks are different. >http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Thanks,
That's the manual I have (Haynes 84-91). I asked the questions below because I'm curious if I'll run into some other difficulties like the one I just resolved (crank bolt). Yeah, the water pump is a good call. It was replaced by a shop a year ago...the same shop that said that the timing belt could probably get by for a little while longer. I suppose I should have asked them to define "little while". It was my fault that this happened because of delaying scheduled maintenance. Never again...if I can't afford to pay a shop do it on its due date, I'll do it myself. Jay C. On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:35:50 GMT, Tom <nospam@attbi.com.invalid> wrote: >Jay C. wrote: >> >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> one of more teeth. >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> installed] >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> point, please let me know. > >Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions >and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced >recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good >access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note >the timing marks are different. >http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on
this project. I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been found in the manual. Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information that you guys have helped me with. Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? > >Get a manual and be done with it! > >John D. > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> one of more teeth. >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> installed] >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> point, please let me know. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jay C. >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on
this project. I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been found in the manual. Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information that you guys have helped me with. Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? > >Get a manual and be done with it! > >John D. > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> one of more teeth. >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> installed] >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> point, please let me know. >> >> Thanks >> >> Jay C. >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Okay, sorry then. In this new post you didn't say you had one. I
assumed you didn't. When you see all the people here and in the Toyota/Nissan newsgroups asking simple questions that manuals would answer, apparently FEW people asking said questions use manuals. It is not recommended to open up the engine -- or much else -- without a manual...stupid mistakes can cost big money. I know. I have the Owner's Manual and the Haynes Repair Manual, but DO plan to get the factory authorized Nissan Shop Manual...almost $100 but it'll be worth it. I EXPECT everything to be in there for that kind of money though. It beter be. So, your manual does NOT show the alignment marks for the gears? That's hard to believe. Are you able to access a Chilton manual? How about going down to the dealership and askign to speak to the Service Advisor (SA)...ask a "quick question re: the alignment marks are. If he balks or is too busy, then ask to speak to a mechanic (M). Sometimes you have to be firm (but not unpleasant). Scan (on your computer or a copy machine) some of the diagrams/images of what models ARE shown in your Haynes -- the timing belt/gear images -- so the SA or M can show you exactly what to look for or even indicate where the marks should be by writing on your paper...that may be all you need. While there, ask him anything else you can think of and get all the info you can, but don't wear out your welcome and be very thankful. Let us know how it goes. Good luck, John D. Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<j8ubivglsqoeb22o1q9kmra9aegd3qb2bt@4ax.com>. .. > Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on > this project. > > I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual > kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than > mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been > found in the manual. > > Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information > that you guys have helped me with. > > Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. > > > > On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: > > >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! > >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel > >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? > > > >Get a manual and be done with it! > > > >John D. > > > > > > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. > >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > >> > >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > >> > >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > >> one of more teeth. > >> > >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > >> installed] > >> > >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > >> > >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > >> point, please let me know. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Jay C. > >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
Okay, sorry then. In this new post you didn't say you had one. I
assumed you didn't. When you see all the people here and in the Toyota/Nissan newsgroups asking simple questions that manuals would answer, apparently FEW people asking said questions use manuals. It is not recommended to open up the engine -- or much else -- without a manual...stupid mistakes can cost big money. I know. I have the Owner's Manual and the Haynes Repair Manual, but DO plan to get the factory authorized Nissan Shop Manual...almost $100 but it'll be worth it. I EXPECT everything to be in there for that kind of money though. It beter be. So, your manual does NOT show the alignment marks for the gears? That's hard to believe. Are you able to access a Chilton manual? How about going down to the dealership and askign to speak to the Service Advisor (SA)...ask a "quick question re: the alignment marks are. If he balks or is too busy, then ask to speak to a mechanic (M). Sometimes you have to be firm (but not unpleasant). Scan (on your computer or a copy machine) some of the diagrams/images of what models ARE shown in your Haynes -- the timing belt/gear images -- so the SA or M can show you exactly what to look for or even indicate where the marks should be by writing on your paper...that may be all you need. While there, ask him anything else you can think of and get all the info you can, but don't wear out your welcome and be very thankful. Let us know how it goes. Good luck, John D. Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<j8ubivglsqoeb22o1q9kmra9aegd3qb2bt@4ax.com>. .. > Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on > this project. > > I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual > kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than > mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been > found in the manual. > > Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information > that you guys have helped me with. > > Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. > > > > On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: > > >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! > >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel > >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? > > > >Get a manual and be done with it! > > > >John D. > > > > > > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. > >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was > >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. > >> > >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I > >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. > >> > >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and > >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by > >> one of more teeth. > >> > >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is > >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO > >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is > >> installed] > >> > >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 > >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam > >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt > >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the > >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I > >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. > >> > >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this > >> point, please let me know. > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Jay C. > >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
....And 20 bucks in parts later, my Honda is back in business. I was able to find the timing marks on the NET (Auto Zone web site which is a great resource by the way) which matched my car. I aligned the marks on both the cam and crank pulley to their proper location, knowing that I was TDC on #1 cylinder because of the distributor/rotor position for number one. I installed the new belt and snugged up the tensioner bolt and rotated the engine by hand a couple of time to be sure the marks hadn't moved. All was still the same so I began reassembling the brackets and mounts and other belts. It fired up without any problems and runs just fine. Thanks everyone for your help. Jay C. On 29 Jul 2003 12:24:27 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >Okay, sorry then. In this new post you didn't say you had one. I >assumed you didn't. > >When you see all the people here and in the Toyota/Nissan newsgroups >asking simple questions that manuals would answer, apparently FEW >people asking said questions use manuals. It is not recommended to >open up the engine -- or much else -- without a manual...stupid >mistakes can cost big money. I know. > >I have the Owner's Manual and the Haynes Repair Manual, but DO plan to >get the factory authorized Nissan Shop Manual...almost $100 but it'll >be worth it. I EXPECT everything to be in there for that kind of money >though. It beter be. > > >So, your manual does NOT show the alignment marks for the gears? >That's hard to believe. Are you able to access a Chilton manual? > >How about going down to the dealership and askign to speak to the >Service Advisor (SA)...ask a "quick question re: the alignment marks >are. If he balks or is too busy, then ask to speak to a mechanic (M). >Sometimes you have to be firm (but not unpleasant). Scan (on your >computer or a copy machine) some of the diagrams/images of what models >ARE shown in your Haynes -- the timing belt/gear images -- so the SA >or M can show you exactly what to look for or even indicate where the >marks should be by writing on your paper...that may be all you need. > >While there, ask him anything else you can think of and get all the >info you can, but don't wear out your welcome and be very thankful. > >Let us know how it goes. > >Good luck, > >John D. > > > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<j8ubivglsqoeb22o1q9kmra9aegd3qb2bt@4ax.com>. .. >> Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on >> this project. >> >> I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual >> kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than >> mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been >> found in the manual. >> >> Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information >> that you guys have helped me with. >> >> Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. >> >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >> >> >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! >> >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel >> >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? >> > >> >Get a manual and be done with it! >> > >> >John D. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. >> >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> >> one of more teeth. >> >> >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> >> installed] >> >> >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> >> point, please let me know. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Jay C. >> >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
....And 20 bucks in parts later, my Honda is back in business. I was able to find the timing marks on the NET (Auto Zone web site which is a great resource by the way) which matched my car. I aligned the marks on both the cam and crank pulley to their proper location, knowing that I was TDC on #1 cylinder because of the distributor/rotor position for number one. I installed the new belt and snugged up the tensioner bolt and rotated the engine by hand a couple of time to be sure the marks hadn't moved. All was still the same so I began reassembling the brackets and mounts and other belts. It fired up without any problems and runs just fine. Thanks everyone for your help. Jay C. On 29 Jul 2003 12:24:27 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >Okay, sorry then. In this new post you didn't say you had one. I >assumed you didn't. > >When you see all the people here and in the Toyota/Nissan newsgroups >asking simple questions that manuals would answer, apparently FEW >people asking said questions use manuals. It is not recommended to >open up the engine -- or much else -- without a manual...stupid >mistakes can cost big money. I know. > >I have the Owner's Manual and the Haynes Repair Manual, but DO plan to >get the factory authorized Nissan Shop Manual...almost $100 but it'll >be worth it. I EXPECT everything to be in there for that kind of money >though. It beter be. > > >So, your manual does NOT show the alignment marks for the gears? >That's hard to believe. Are you able to access a Chilton manual? > >How about going down to the dealership and askign to speak to the >Service Advisor (SA)...ask a "quick question re: the alignment marks >are. If he balks or is too busy, then ask to speak to a mechanic (M). >Sometimes you have to be firm (but not unpleasant). Scan (on your >computer or a copy machine) some of the diagrams/images of what models >ARE shown in your Haynes -- the timing belt/gear images -- so the SA >or M can show you exactly what to look for or even indicate where the >marks should be by writing on your paper...that may be all you need. > >While there, ask him anything else you can think of and get all the >info you can, but don't wear out your welcome and be very thankful. > >Let us know how it goes. > >Good luck, > >John D. > > > > > > >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<j8ubivglsqoeb22o1q9kmra9aegd3qb2bt@4ax.com>. .. >> Ummm. I have always had a manual...at least ever since I started on >> this project. >> >> I have to agree with the guy at the link that Tom gave me; the manual >> kind of sucks. They continually diagram for a different model than >> mine and according to the author at the link, major errors have been >> found in the manual. >> >> Nevertheless, I am sticking to the manual along with other information >> that you guys have helped me with. >> >> Jay C. ....the guy with the Haynes manual....really. >> >> >> >> On 28 Jul 2003 20:56:44 -0700, jcdech@hotmail.com (John D.) wrote: >> >> >You shouldn't even TRY to do something like this without a manual! >> >People all the time here will say get a manual. Did you just feel >> >"lucky" or something? WTH were you thinking? >> > >> >Get a manual and be done with it! >> > >> >John D. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote in message news:<1t5bivsnl9nam2ddjvb4s5ompvoq6ifucl@4ax.com>. .. >> >> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was >> >> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. >> >> >> >> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I >> >> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. >> >> >> >> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and >> >> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by >> >> one of more teeth. >> >> >> >> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is >> >> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO >> >> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is >> >> installed] >> >> >> >> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 >> >> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam >> >> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt >> >> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the >> >> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I >> >> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. >> >> >> >> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this >> >> point, please let me know. >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> Jay C. >> >> Remove KILLSPAM to email me. |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
The rule is "Never Re-install a used timing belt".
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:00:36 GMT, Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote: |Thanks, | |That's the manual I have (Haynes 84-91). | |I asked the questions below because I'm curious if I'll run into some |other difficulties like the one I just resolved (crank bolt). | |Yeah, the water pump is a good call. It was replaced by a shop a year |ago...the same shop that said that the timing belt could probably get |by for a little while longer. I suppose I should have asked them to |define "little while". | |It was my fault that this happened because of delaying scheduled |maintenance. Never again...if I can't afford to pay a shop do it on |its due date, I'll do it myself. | |Jay C. | | | | |On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:35:50 GMT, Tom <nospam@attbi.com.invalid> |wrote: | |>Jay C. wrote: |>> |>> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was |>> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. |>> |>> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I |>> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. |>> |>> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and |>> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by |>> one of more teeth. |>> |>> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is |>> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO |>> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is |>> installed] |>> |>> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 |>> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam |>> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt |>> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the |>> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I |>> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. |>> |>> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this |>> point, please let me know. |> |>Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions |>and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced |>recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good |>access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note |>the timing marks are different. |>http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm | |
Re: 91 Honda Civic crank bolt/timing belt project
The rule is "Never Re-install a used timing belt".
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 04:00:36 GMT, Jay C. <jayKILLSPAM@jaycatmull.com> wrote: |Thanks, | |That's the manual I have (Haynes 84-91). | |I asked the questions below because I'm curious if I'll run into some |other difficulties like the one I just resolved (crank bolt). | |Yeah, the water pump is a good call. It was replaced by a shop a year |ago...the same shop that said that the timing belt could probably get |by for a little while longer. I suppose I should have asked them to |define "little while". | |It was my fault that this happened because of delaying scheduled |maintenance. Never again...if I can't afford to pay a shop do it on |its due date, I'll do it myself. | |Jay C. | | | | |On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 00:35:50 GMT, Tom <nospam@attbi.com.invalid> |wrote: | |>Jay C. wrote: |>> |>> Okay, with the assistance of a monster air impact driver, my son was |>> able to loosen and remove the crank bolt for my timing belt project. |>> |>> I have to tow the car home tonight from the shop where he works, so I |>> can finish the R & R of the timing belt. |>> |>> Next problem and question will be, how to refit the timing belt and |>> align the crank and cam pulleys exactly so that the thing isn't off by |>> one of more teeth. |>> |>> I know that the belt must have slipped several notches since it is |>> missing quite a few teeth in one section. [I am still hoping for NO |>> engine damage but that will have to be determined after the belt is |>> installed] |>> |>> The distributor is still in proper location so I can determine #1 |>> cylinder TDC from the location of the rotor and the marks on the cam |>> pulley but one of the crank alignment sights(sic?) on the timing belt |>> cover seems to be missing. I only see one sight for lining up the |>> crank mark and it's about 2-1/2 inches away from the pulley notch. I |>> hope I can align it from eyeball at that distance. |>> |>> If any of you have any suggestions before I get too far along at this |>> point, please let me know. |> |>Pick up a Haynes manual for 84-91 Civic for step by step intructions |>and illustrations(<$15). If the water pump has not been replaced |>recently, now is the time to do it, since you'll have good |>access. The following crx howto will give you some idea, but note |>the timing marks are different. |>http://www.crxsi.com/resources/repai...belt/index.htm | |
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