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Re: 93 civic loss of power
well, not an expert, but i wonder if the spark plug wires are running
to the right cylinders . . . if mucked up, would definitely cause power loss. - fj |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
frank wrote: > well, not an expert, but i wonder if the spark plug wires are running > to the right cylinders . . . if mucked up, would definitely cause power > loss. - fj Thanks Frank, that was my first thought. Any idea on the distrbutor the wires go? Like spark plug number #1 goes into the the distrbutor at . . . . I have looked around the internet for a diagram, but I haven't had any luck yet. It also seems to idle like crap, maybe the pcv valve?? I doubt it though I have changed the oil on this car when it was due since it was new. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
frank wrote: > well, not an expert, but i wonder if the spark plug wires are running > to the right cylinders . . . if mucked up, would definitely cause power > loss. - fj Thanks Frank, that was my first thought. Any idea on the distrbutor the wires go? Like spark plug number #1 goes into the the distrbutor at . . . . I have looked around the internet for a diagram, but I haven't had any luck yet. It also seems to idle like crap, maybe the pcv valve?? I doubt it though I have changed the oil on this car when it was due since it was new. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
frank wrote: > well, not an expert, but i wonder if the spark plug wires are running > to the right cylinders . . . if mucked up, would definitely cause power > loss. - fj Thanks Frank, that was my first thought. Any idea on the distrbutor the wires go? Like spark plug number #1 goes into the the distrbutor at . . . . I have looked around the internet for a diagram, but I haven't had any luck yet. It also seems to idle like crap, maybe the pcv valve?? I doubt it though I have changed the oil on this car when it was due since it was new. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
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The three bolts that hold the distributor housing in place also ensure the timing is "held" in place, too. You noticed the bolt holes were oddly shaped for them, right? That's because the timing is set by rotating the housing appropriately, then tightening the bolts. I would start by checking the ignition timing. Do you have a timing light? 2. Were OEM distributor parts used? 3. What parts of the distributor exactly were replaced (e.g. housing, cap, rotor, igniter, coil, all?) 4. When was your 93 Civic last tuned up (new plugs, wires, distributor cap, rotor, timing check(!), air filter, fuel filter, possibly new PCV valve)? Were OEM parts used? Free online manuals for your car are linked at: http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id9.html "Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote > My trusty car (210,000) miles, and has never been in the > shop, died > while I was driving on the freeway the other day. I had > it towed, I > told the mechanic I thought it was the distbutor. It > turns out it was. > > > He turned out to be a real crappy mechanic. He left one > bolt off of my > distrbutor, and the other 2 were so loose I could giggle > the distrbutor > in my hand. I fixed this by tightining the bolts, and > adding one that > was missing. > > Ever since this awefule mechanic did this my car has lost > tons of > power!! It used to be a zippy fun to drive car, now it > just sucks, I > press the gas and literaly nothing happens for a second or > two. If I > have the air conditioner on, the symptoms are even worse. > > my questions are > > 1) What are some possiable normal causes of such a drastic > loss of > power? > 2) Could this be realted to the crappy mechanic's install > of my > distrbutor? > 3) any ideas on fixes? > > I thought it might be a clogged fuel filter, I am in the > process of > changing that out now, as soon as I figure out how to get > the bolt > holding the filter to the firewall off without loosing my > knuckles. :) > Any ideas would be great, I love this little car, I would > hate to get > rid of it. I have had it since it was new, even through > several new > cars I always hung on to this car. > |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
1.
The three bolts that hold the distributor housing in place also ensure the timing is "held" in place, too. You noticed the bolt holes were oddly shaped for them, right? That's because the timing is set by rotating the housing appropriately, then tightening the bolts. I would start by checking the ignition timing. Do you have a timing light? 2. Were OEM distributor parts used? 3. What parts of the distributor exactly were replaced (e.g. housing, cap, rotor, igniter, coil, all?) 4. When was your 93 Civic last tuned up (new plugs, wires, distributor cap, rotor, timing check(!), air filter, fuel filter, possibly new PCV valve)? Were OEM parts used? Free online manuals for your car are linked at: http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id9.html "Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote > My trusty car (210,000) miles, and has never been in the > shop, died > while I was driving on the freeway the other day. I had > it towed, I > told the mechanic I thought it was the distbutor. It > turns out it was. > > > He turned out to be a real crappy mechanic. He left one > bolt off of my > distrbutor, and the other 2 were so loose I could giggle > the distrbutor > in my hand. I fixed this by tightining the bolts, and > adding one that > was missing. > > Ever since this awefule mechanic did this my car has lost > tons of > power!! It used to be a zippy fun to drive car, now it > just sucks, I > press the gas and literaly nothing happens for a second or > two. If I > have the air conditioner on, the symptoms are even worse. > > my questions are > > 1) What are some possiable normal causes of such a drastic > loss of > power? > 2) Could this be realted to the crappy mechanic's install > of my > distrbutor? > 3) any ideas on fixes? > > I thought it might be a clogged fuel filter, I am in the > process of > changing that out now, as soon as I figure out how to get > the bolt > holding the filter to the firewall off without loosing my > knuckles. :) > Any ideas would be great, I love this little car, I would > hate to get > rid of it. I have had it since it was new, even through > several new > cars I always hung on to this car. > |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
1.
The three bolts that hold the distributor housing in place also ensure the timing is "held" in place, too. You noticed the bolt holes were oddly shaped for them, right? That's because the timing is set by rotating the housing appropriately, then tightening the bolts. I would start by checking the ignition timing. Do you have a timing light? 2. Were OEM distributor parts used? 3. What parts of the distributor exactly were replaced (e.g. housing, cap, rotor, igniter, coil, all?) 4. When was your 93 Civic last tuned up (new plugs, wires, distributor cap, rotor, timing check(!), air filter, fuel filter, possibly new PCV valve)? Were OEM parts used? Free online manuals for your car are linked at: http://home.earthlink.net/~honda.lioness/id9.html "Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote > My trusty car (210,000) miles, and has never been in the > shop, died > while I was driving on the freeway the other day. I had > it towed, I > told the mechanic I thought it was the distbutor. It > turns out it was. > > > He turned out to be a real crappy mechanic. He left one > bolt off of my > distrbutor, and the other 2 were so loose I could giggle > the distrbutor > in my hand. I fixed this by tightining the bolts, and > adding one that > was missing. > > Ever since this awefule mechanic did this my car has lost > tons of > power!! It used to be a zippy fun to drive car, now it > just sucks, I > press the gas and literaly nothing happens for a second or > two. If I > have the air conditioner on, the symptoms are even worse. > > my questions are > > 1) What are some possiable normal causes of such a drastic > loss of > power? > 2) Could this be realted to the crappy mechanic's install > of my > distrbutor? > 3) any ideas on fixes? > > I thought it might be a clogged fuel filter, I am in the > process of > changing that out now, as soon as I figure out how to get > the bolt > holding the filter to the firewall off without loosing my > knuckles. :) > Any ideas would be great, I love this little car, I would > hate to get > rid of it. I have had it since it was new, even through > several new > cars I always hung on to this car. > |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car has run so well for so long a few things were never done to it. 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only in by a few of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know those held the timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, however this sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a mechanic that is decent and have that done right. 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the word "honda" on the distrbutor. 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else posted that may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few hundred dollars too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one in here is shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just always ran perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I checked the recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the usual water pump. 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Thei air filter I just changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel filter is still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that darn clamp that holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. As far as timming, I think I may break down and take the car in to have that checked because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust it, unless anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I have another car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it being out of service for awhile is ok. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car has run so well for so long a few things were never done to it. 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only in by a few of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know those held the timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, however this sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a mechanic that is decent and have that done right. 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the word "honda" on the distrbutor. 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else posted that may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few hundred dollars too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one in here is shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just always ran perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I checked the recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the usual water pump. 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Thei air filter I just changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel filter is still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that darn clamp that holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. As far as timming, I think I may break down and take the car in to have that checked because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust it, unless anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I have another car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it being out of service for awhile is ok. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car has run so well for so long a few things were never done to it. 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only in by a few of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know those held the timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, however this sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a mechanic that is decent and have that done right. 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the word "honda" on the distrbutor. 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else posted that may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few hundred dollars too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one in here is shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just always ran perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I checked the recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the usual water pump. 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Thei air filter I just changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel filter is still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that darn clamp that holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. As far as timming, I think I may break down and take the car in to have that checked because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust it, unless anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I have another car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it being out of service for awhile is ok. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
"Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote
> Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car > has run so well > for so long a few things were never done to it. > > 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only > in by a few > of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know > those held the > timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, > however this > sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a > mechanic > that is decent and have that done right. Those (distributor housing) bolts do not hold the timing belt in place. What they do is orient the distributor housing so the motion of the camshaft (passing through the housing) "triggers," if you will, firing of the distributor wires (which in turn power the spark plugs at the correct instants). If you look up the procedure for setting the timing at the online manuals I cited earlier, you will see discussion of this. > 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the > word "honda" > on the distrbutor. That's a very good sign. I am a cheapskate but learned the hard way that OEM Honda ignition system parts last way longer than non-OEM. > 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else > posted that > may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few > hundred dollars > too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. I know it may seem that way, but from my experience with my 91 Civic and reading many reports here, a good Honda will in fact go through an entire distributor (including the expensive housing) about once every 150k miles or 12 years. I know it was expensive, but you in fact very likely made a good investment. > 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one > in here is > shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just > always ran > perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I > checked the > recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the > usual water > pump. > > 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Whoa, those wires are old and are likely going to detrimentally affect the life of your distributor's ignition coil, for one. You can get a multimeter from Radio Shack and make sure each wire's resistance is less than 15k ohms. Or start by doing the check described at http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#leakywires. Or, shoot, spend the $50 or so and get new OEM wires. Do not go with aftermarket for the wires. You may notice a profound difference as soon as you slap those new wires in place. As for which wire goes where, OEM wires have lengths that tend to correspond to the correct receptacles on the distributor cap. Better, see http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d80140ef6.jsp As for the PCV valve: There are some checks you can do on it, but for $15 or so, you can have a whole new one. I would replace it. I replaced my 91 Civic's after 12 years. Found the old one full of waxy buildup. My fuel mileage shot up after I put the new PCV valve in. At a minimum, buy a can of carb/PCV system cleaner, remove the old PCV valve, and soak it in the cleaner. I now do this about every other oil change with my PCV valve. > Thei air filter I just > changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel > filter is > still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that > darn clamp that > holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. I remember that was tricky the first time I did it, too. Gotta have the right sockets or combo wrench. The super-dupber penetrating oil "PB Blaster" might help, too. It's only around $4 a can at Autozone, Wal-Mart, etc. > As far as timming, > I think I may break down and take the car in to have that > checked > because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust > it, unless > anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I > have another > car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it > being out of > service for awhile is ok. Not sure how adventurous you are, but I bought a timing light for $15 from a pawn shop. Nothing fancy is needed. Autozone etc. sell them for I guess around $30 and up. Ebay always has several at good prices, too. Just a few of the sites that talk about setting the timing: http://search.ebscohost.com/ Login (for free) using the username "lib" and the password "access." Click on "Auto Repair Reference Center." This seems to have repair procedures for all years but maybe the most recent. This site's procedures load faster than Autozone's below but otherwise appear to duplicate, word for word, the Autozone's sites procedures (see below). http://www.autozone.com Has Honda manuals for 1995 and earlier. On the left, click on "Repair Info," then "Vehicle Repair Guides." Click on car year, make, and model, etc. The autozone site implies that its source for the Honda procedures is Chilton's via Delmar, a publishing company for automotive training guides. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
"Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote
> Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car > has run so well > for so long a few things were never done to it. > > 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only > in by a few > of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know > those held the > timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, > however this > sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a > mechanic > that is decent and have that done right. Those (distributor housing) bolts do not hold the timing belt in place. What they do is orient the distributor housing so the motion of the camshaft (passing through the housing) "triggers," if you will, firing of the distributor wires (which in turn power the spark plugs at the correct instants). If you look up the procedure for setting the timing at the online manuals I cited earlier, you will see discussion of this. > 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the > word "honda" > on the distrbutor. That's a very good sign. I am a cheapskate but learned the hard way that OEM Honda ignition system parts last way longer than non-OEM. > 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else > posted that > may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few > hundred dollars > too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. I know it may seem that way, but from my experience with my 91 Civic and reading many reports here, a good Honda will in fact go through an entire distributor (including the expensive housing) about once every 150k miles or 12 years. I know it was expensive, but you in fact very likely made a good investment. > 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one > in here is > shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just > always ran > perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I > checked the > recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the > usual water > pump. > > 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Whoa, those wires are old and are likely going to detrimentally affect the life of your distributor's ignition coil, for one. You can get a multimeter from Radio Shack and make sure each wire's resistance is less than 15k ohms. Or start by doing the check described at http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#leakywires. Or, shoot, spend the $50 or so and get new OEM wires. Do not go with aftermarket for the wires. You may notice a profound difference as soon as you slap those new wires in place. As for which wire goes where, OEM wires have lengths that tend to correspond to the correct receptacles on the distributor cap. Better, see http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d80140ef6.jsp As for the PCV valve: There are some checks you can do on it, but for $15 or so, you can have a whole new one. I would replace it. I replaced my 91 Civic's after 12 years. Found the old one full of waxy buildup. My fuel mileage shot up after I put the new PCV valve in. At a minimum, buy a can of carb/PCV system cleaner, remove the old PCV valve, and soak it in the cleaner. I now do this about every other oil change with my PCV valve. > Thei air filter I just > changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel > filter is > still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that > darn clamp that > holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. I remember that was tricky the first time I did it, too. Gotta have the right sockets or combo wrench. The super-dupber penetrating oil "PB Blaster" might help, too. It's only around $4 a can at Autozone, Wal-Mart, etc. > As far as timming, > I think I may break down and take the car in to have that > checked > because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust > it, unless > anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I > have another > car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it > being out of > service for awhile is ok. Not sure how adventurous you are, but I bought a timing light for $15 from a pawn shop. Nothing fancy is needed. Autozone etc. sell them for I guess around $30 and up. Ebay always has several at good prices, too. Just a few of the sites that talk about setting the timing: http://search.ebscohost.com/ Login (for free) using the username "lib" and the password "access." Click on "Auto Repair Reference Center." This seems to have repair procedures for all years but maybe the most recent. This site's procedures load faster than Autozone's below but otherwise appear to duplicate, word for word, the Autozone's sites procedures (see below). http://www.autozone.com Has Honda manuals for 1995 and earlier. On the left, click on "Repair Info," then "Vehicle Repair Guides." Click on car year, make, and model, etc. The autozone site implies that its source for the Honda procedures is Chilton's via Delmar, a publishing company for automotive training guides. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
"Brandon Scarbrough" <brandon_scarbrough@hotmail.com> wrote
> Elle I hate to answer a few of these questions, the car > has run so well > for so long a few things were never done to it. > > 1) 1 bolt was totaly missing, the other 2 bolts were only > in by a few > of thier threads, atleast 1/2 way out. I didn't know > those held the > timming belt in place. I do not have a timming light, > however this > sounds like a good ddirection to go in, I may take it to a > mechanic > that is decent and have that done right. Those (distributor housing) bolts do not hold the timing belt in place. What they do is orient the distributor housing so the motion of the camshaft (passing through the housing) "triggers," if you will, firing of the distributor wires (which in turn power the spark plugs at the correct instants). If you look up the procedure for setting the timing at the online manuals I cited earlier, you will see discussion of this. > 2) OEM parts were used, I just went and checked I see the > word "honda" > on the distrbutor. That's a very good sign. I am a cheapskate but learned the hard way that OEM Honda ignition system parts last way longer than non-OEM. > 3) the whole thing was replaced. From what some one else > posted that > may not have been needed and I probably just paid a few > hundred dollars > too much. Oh well, I love the car whats a few $$. I know it may seem that way, but from my experience with my 91 Civic and reading many reports here, a good Honda will in fact go through an entire distributor (including the expensive housing) about once every 150k miles or 12 years. I know it was expensive, but you in fact very likely made a good investment. > 4) It was tuned up at 80K miles. I know I know every one > in here is > shaking thier head in disbeleif, the car seriously just > always ran > perfect. I had a timming belt put on at 180K miles but I > checked the > recipt and no other work was done at that time, except the > usual water > pump. > > 5) The wires are original, so is the PCV valve. Whoa, those wires are old and are likely going to detrimentally affect the life of your distributor's ignition coil, for one. You can get a multimeter from Radio Shack and make sure each wire's resistance is less than 15k ohms. Or start by doing the check described at http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/start...tml#leakywires. Or, shoot, spend the $50 or so and get new OEM wires. Do not go with aftermarket for the wires. You may notice a profound difference as soon as you slap those new wires in place. As for which wire goes where, OEM wires have lengths that tend to correspond to the correct receptacles on the distributor cap. Better, see http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBr...3d80140ef6.jsp As for the PCV valve: There are some checks you can do on it, but for $15 or so, you can have a whole new one. I would replace it. I replaced my 91 Civic's after 12 years. Found the old one full of waxy buildup. My fuel mileage shot up after I put the new PCV valve in. At a minimum, buy a can of carb/PCV system cleaner, remove the old PCV valve, and soak it in the cleaner. I now do this about every other oil change with my PCV valve. > Thei air filter I just > changed today, along with the fuel filter. Well the fuel > filter is > still fighting me but I will figure out how to get that > darn clamp that > holds it to myfirewall off at some point tomorrow. I remember that was tricky the first time I did it, too. Gotta have the right sockets or combo wrench. The super-dupber penetrating oil "PB Blaster" might help, too. It's only around $4 a can at Autozone, Wal-Mart, etc. > As far as timming, > I think I may break down and take the car in to have that > checked > because I literaly have no idea how to check it or adjust > it, unless > anyone knows of a site that can tell me how to do it. I > have another > car, I use this one to go back and forth to work, so it > being out of > service for awhile is ok. Not sure how adventurous you are, but I bought a timing light for $15 from a pawn shop. Nothing fancy is needed. Autozone etc. sell them for I guess around $30 and up. Ebay always has several at good prices, too. Just a few of the sites that talk about setting the timing: http://search.ebscohost.com/ Login (for free) using the username "lib" and the password "access." Click on "Auto Repair Reference Center." This seems to have repair procedures for all years but maybe the most recent. This site's procedures load faster than Autozone's below but otherwise appear to duplicate, word for word, the Autozone's sites procedures (see below). http://www.autozone.com Has Honda manuals for 1995 and earlier. On the left, click on "Repair Info," then "Vehicle Repair Guides." Click on car year, make, and model, etc. The autozone site implies that its source for the Honda procedures is Chilton's via Delmar, a publishing company for automotive training guides. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
Elle - Thanks for all the great advice!!! I don't mind spending money on this car. I will go out tomorrow and get new wires, a timming light, and I figure while I have the wires off I may as well replace the plugs. I will also replace the PCV valve, I know that is long over due. I am will give the timming a try. I don't mind if the car takes a few days or whatever to get back into shape I have another car I can drive, I jsut hate to drive it because it loves gas a supra. No big deal for awhile though. I have to say this forum has given me some great advice!! I was a little worried posting here, sometimes you get no replies. I usualy stick to the tech forums, it is great to find a forum with helpful people!!!!! I will post how the 93 civic project goes. |
Re: 93 civic loss of power
Elle - Thanks for all the great advice!!! I don't mind spending money on this car. I will go out tomorrow and get new wires, a timming light, and I figure while I have the wires off I may as well replace the plugs. I will also replace the PCV valve, I know that is long over due. I am will give the timming a try. I don't mind if the car takes a few days or whatever to get back into shape I have another car I can drive, I jsut hate to drive it because it loves gas a supra. No big deal for awhile though. I have to say this forum has given me some great advice!! I was a little worried posting here, sometimes you get no replies. I usualy stick to the tech forums, it is great to find a forum with helpful people!!!!! I will post how the 93 civic project goes. |
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