robm

i have 93 Civic Si with 197k miles (all mine) the front end is starting to
feel sloppy / loose (as i describe it)

didn't really notice till i drove around in a higlander rental for about a
week then i get in the pavement rat and it feels sloppy ???

note these are all slight probably but i (like others ?) liken myself to an
professional street driver i am one with the rat and i can feel what it
feels coursing down the road bump here a little tremble there, light pitch
in the turn etcc

the steering does not seem as responsive to input and gives a slight boating
affect, the steering wheel kind of wobbles ever so slightly while driving
along, seems to turn easier one way than the other, when going over bumps it
now feels like there is alot more movement, shaking, clinking etc going on
up there matbe a slight knock or clunk...

I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end joinery ,
bushings etc

So is this just one thing to look into or multiple items ?
what are things to just wholesale replace after 197k miles ?

TIA
rob

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"robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
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<snip standard old-car complaints>


>
> I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
> joinery , bushings etc



That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace, sorry
to say.

Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.

What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this project and
buy a car that's not 12 years old.




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Matt Ion

TeGGeR® wrote:
> "robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
> news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
>
>
> <snip standard old-car complaints>
>
>
>
>>I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
>>joinery , bushings etc
>
>
>
>
> That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace, sorry
> to say.

Which for the most part, isn't really that difficult...

> Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.

On the other hand...

> What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this project and
> buy a car that's not 12 years old.

A 12-year-old Honda is a lot more valuable than most other 12-year-old
cars


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On 2005-11-01, Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote:

> A 12-year-old Honda is a lot more valuable than most other 12-year-old
> cars

Amen!

I was thinking about selling my '87 Si hatchback. When gas hit $2.50,
I changed my mind. With 240K on the dial and still getting 35mpg and
passing CA smog, it's a keeper. The suspension is still tight, too.
I'll only let it go for a 4th gen Si.

nb

robm

"TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
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> "robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
> news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
>
> <snip standard old-car complaints>

12 is considered old for honda ?
i upgraded to the honda from a '74 Audi in '93 with 263k miles and would
not have done it except for major rust incursion in floorboard ,quarter
panels and Boot/trunk bla bla

> >
> > I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
> > joinery , bushings etc
> >
>
> That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace, sorry
> to say.
>
> Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.
>
> What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this project and
> buy a car that's not 12 years old.
>

i didn't say it was not worth it
the new/young car will be 12 years old someday and the same dilema (or
worse) once again plus bigger out pocket $$$

i should have high-lighted the **all** part
i was asking question since i have usually done things piecewise and never
really incur one big cost but for some projects the trouble to do some small
piece it seems prudent to change other pieces that will require same work
later (avoid redundant disassembly) yes/no?

can you recommend a good (quality parts) web source for honda parts ? I
usually go to local foreign auot parts store (support local economy)? do you
know of any packaged front end kits ?

i found
www.autopartswarehouse.com
www.anythinghonda.com
www.jcwhitney.com

thanks for again for helpful answers
rob

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"Matt Ion" <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in message
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
> > "robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
> > news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
> >
> > <snip standard old-car complaints>
> >
> > > I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
> > > joinery , bushings etc
> >
> > That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace,
sorry
> > to say.
>
> Which for the most part, isn't really that difficult...
>

I was thumbing through my "honda" civic service manual looking at the
suspension section to identify the parts and to determine the diagnostic
specs...

When the sevice manual says inspect for wear by moving something (eg. wheel
wobble) and they do not specify the acceptable amount then does that imply
**no movement** acceptable?

>
> > Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.
>
> On the other hand...
>
> > What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this project
and
> > buy a car that's not 12 years old.
>
> A 12-year-old Honda is a lot more valuable than most other 12-year-old
> cars
>
another amen here...
it is worth it to me since it is my 12 years driving and i know everything
the car has been through.

rob

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Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
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> TeGGeR® wrote:
>> "robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
>> news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
>>
>>
>> <snip standard old-car complaints>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
>>>joinery , bushings etc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace,
>> sorry to say.
>
> Which for the most part, isn't really that difficult...



....unless rust is factored in. I just went through that on the rear
suspension on my '91 'Teg this past summer. Rust makes things rather
complicated indeed.



>
>> Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.
>
> On the other hand...
>
>> What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this
>> project and buy a car that's not 12 years old.
>
> A 12-year-old Honda is a lot more valuable than most other 12-year-old
> cars


Yes, but is it worth five hundred bucks or so on what is essentially a
personal-preference issue?



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TeGGeR®

"robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
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>
> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
> news:Xns9700D61938177tegger@207.14.113.17...
>> "robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
>> news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net:
>>
>> <snip standard old-car complaints>
>
> 12 is considered old for honda ?



For ANY car 12 is old. Of course 12-years old neglected is quite a bit
older than 12-years old well-maintained.




> i upgraded to the honda from a '74 Audi in '93 with 263k miles and
> would
> not have done it except for major rust incursion in floorboard
> ,quarter panels and Boot/trunk bla bla
>
>> >
>> > I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
>> > joinery , bushings etc
>> >
>>
>> That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace,
>> sorry to say.
>>
>> Also replace the shocks and springs while you're at it.
>>
>> What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this
>> project and buy a car that's not 12 years old.
>>
>
> i didn't say it was not worth it



I was anticipating the obvious responses that I felt had to be coming (but
didn't).



> the new/young car will be 12 years old someday and the same dilema (or
> worse) once again plus bigger out pocket $$$


The reason I keep my '91 alive.


>
> i should have high-lighted the **all** part
> i was asking question since i have usually done things piecewise and
> never really incur one big cost but for some projects the trouble to
> do some small piece it seems prudent to change other pieces that will
> require same work later (avoid redundant disassembly) yes/no?
>
> can you recommend a good (quality parts) web source for honda parts ?


Are you looking for OEM or aftermarket?

You could try here:
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/online-parts.html

Some of these places sell aftermarket as well.

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Matt Ion

TeGGeR® wrote:
> Matt Ion <soundy@moltenimage.com> wrote in
> news:SuN9f.377281$oW2.321535@pd7tw1no:
>
>
>>TeGGeR® wrote:
>>
>>>"robm" <not@here.net> wrote in
>>>news:2Pz9f.3158$m81.2464@newsread1.news.atl.ear thlink.net:
>>>
>>>
>>><snip standard old-car complaints>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I hope to do any work myself short of replacing all the front end
>>>>joinery , bushings etc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>That "joinery , bushings" stuff is EXACTLY what you need to replace,
>>>sorry to say.
>>
>>Which for the most part, isn't really that difficult...
>
>
>
>
> ...unless rust is factored in. I just went through that on the rear
> suspension on my '91 'Teg this past summer. Rust makes things rather
> complicated indeed.

True... but then that's the case for working on almost any part of the
car, especially when it comes to loosening rusted nuts and bolts. Aside
from that, most "joints" are pretty straightforward.

>>>What's that? You say the cost isn't worth it? Then forget this
>>>project and buy a car that's not 12 years old.
>>
>>A 12-year-old Honda is a lot more valuable than most other 12-year-old
>>cars
>
>
>
> Yes, but is it worth five hundred bucks or so on what is essentially a
> personal-preference issue?

Depends on a lot of factors: overall condition of the car, purchase
price (I got an '87 Accord hatch in fairly good body shape, lots of
performance parts, and great running condition for $600, so dropping a
few bucks on it isn't too much of a problem), and of course, what the
car is worth to the owner personally - some have more of an emotional
attachment



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