94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

I have a '94 Accord sedan that I bought in Texas and brought to Spain a few
years ago. It has a clutch problem that my nearest Honda dealer has been
unable to solve after several visits and repair attempts.

The clutch pedal and shift gears work fine when the car is cold or during
colder weather. But as I use the car in traffic during the warmer hours of
the day (specially now in the torrid summer weather of sunny Spain), the
pedal gets much stiffer and the clutch engagement point moves up to the
point that the gears start slipping (in some cases the engagement point
moves so high that the gears seem not to engage, even with the cluch pedal
totally released). Even when the do gears engage, if I apply a bit of power
to the engine I can easily notice the slippage.

During cooler hours of the day or when I start using the car in the morning,
the problem seems to have gone away, gear shifting is back to normal and the
engamement point moves down to its regular position in the clutch pedal.

Any clue as to what could be happening? I'm getting desperate with the
local Honda shop not being able to solve the mistery.

Thanks

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?

If said dealer IS 100% incompetent, drive to the NEXT nearest dealer
-- in town or out -- and get a second opinion.

John D.





"Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bi3avf$7ne$1@news.ya.com>...
> I have a '94 Accord sedan that I bought in Texas and brought to Spain a few
> years ago. It has a clutch problem that my nearest Honda dealer has been
> unable to solve after several visits and repair attempts.
>
> The clutch pedal and shift gears work fine when the car is cold or during
> colder weather. But as I use the car in traffic during the warmer hours of
> the day (specially now in the torrid summer weather of sunny Spain), the
> pedal gets much stiffer and the clutch engagement point moves up to the
> point that the gears start slipping (in some cases the engagement point
> moves so high that the gears seem not to engage, even with the cluch pedal
> totally released). Even when the do gears engage, if I apply a bit of power
> to the engine I can easily notice the slippage.
>
> During cooler hours of the day or when I start using the car in the morning,
> the problem seems to have gone away, gear shifting is back to normal and the
> engamement point moves down to its regular position in the clutch pedal.
>
> Any clue as to what could be happening? I'm getting desperate with the
> local Honda shop not being able to solve the mistery.
>
> Thanks

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?

If said dealer IS 100% incompetent, drive to the NEXT nearest dealer
-- in town or out -- and get a second opinion.

John D.





"Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bi3avf$7ne$1@news.ya.com>...
> I have a '94 Accord sedan that I bought in Texas and brought to Spain a few
> years ago. It has a clutch problem that my nearest Honda dealer has been
> unable to solve after several visits and repair attempts.
>
> The clutch pedal and shift gears work fine when the car is cold or during
> colder weather. But as I use the car in traffic during the warmer hours of
> the day (specially now in the torrid summer weather of sunny Spain), the
> pedal gets much stiffer and the clutch engagement point moves up to the
> point that the gears start slipping (in some cases the engagement point
> moves so high that the gears seem not to engage, even with the cluch pedal
> totally released). Even when the do gears engage, if I apply a bit of power
> to the engine I can easily notice the slippage.
>
> During cooler hours of the day or when I start using the car in the morning,
> the problem seems to have gone away, gear shifting is back to normal and the
> engamement point moves down to its regular position in the clutch pedal.
>
> Any clue as to what could be happening? I'm getting desperate with the
> local Honda shop not being able to solve the mistery.
>
> Thanks

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?
>
> If said dealer IS 100% incompetent, drive to the NEXT nearest dealer
> -- in town or out -- and get a second opinion.
>
> John D.

True enough.
If it was my car, I'd be replacing the slave cylinder, though.
I doubt the dealer is replicating the "client fault conditions."

>
> "Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bi3avf$7ne$1@news.ya.com>...
> > I have a '94 Accord sedan that I bought in Texas and brought to Spain a
few
> > years ago. It has a clutch problem that my nearest Honda dealer has been
> > unable to solve after several visits and repair attempts.
> >
> > The clutch pedal and shift gears work fine when the car is cold or
during
> > colder weather. But as I use the car in traffic during the warmer hours
of
> > the day (specially now in the torrid summer weather of sunny Spain), the
> > pedal gets much stiffer and the clutch engagement point moves up to the
> > point that the gears start slipping (in some cases the engagement point
> > moves so high that the gears seem not to engage, even with the cluch
pedal
> > totally released). Even when the do gears engage, if I apply a bit of
power
> > to the engine I can easily notice the slippage.
> >
> > During cooler hours of the day or when I start using the car in the
morning,
> > the problem seems to have gone away, gear shifting is back to normal and
the
> > engamement point moves down to its regular position in the clutch pedal.
> >
> > Any clue as to what could be happening? I'm getting desperate with the
> > local Honda shop not being able to solve the mistery.
> >
> > Thanks

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?
>
> If said dealer IS 100% incompetent, drive to the NEXT nearest dealer
> -- in town or out -- and get a second opinion.
>
> John D.

True enough.
If it was my car, I'd be replacing the slave cylinder, though.
I doubt the dealer is replicating the "client fault conditions."

>
> "Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<bi3avf$7ne$1@news.ya.com>...
> > I have a '94 Accord sedan that I bought in Texas and brought to Spain a
few
> > years ago. It has a clutch problem that my nearest Honda dealer has been
> > unable to solve after several visits and repair attempts.
> >
> > The clutch pedal and shift gears work fine when the car is cold or
during
> > colder weather. But as I use the car in traffic during the warmer hours
of
> > the day (specially now in the torrid summer weather of sunny Spain), the
> > pedal gets much stiffer and the clutch engagement point moves up to the
> > point that the gears start slipping (in some cases the engagement point
> > moves so high that the gears seem not to engage, even with the cluch
pedal
> > totally released). Even when the do gears engage, if I apply a bit of
power
> > to the engine I can easily notice the slippage.
> >
> > During cooler hours of the day or when I start using the car in the
morning,
> > the problem seems to have gone away, gear shifting is back to normal and
the
> > engamement point moves down to its regular position in the clutch pedal.
> >
> > Any clue as to what could be happening? I'm getting desperate with the
> > local Honda shop not being able to solve the mistery.
> >
> > Thanks

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?

Your comment is very reasonable. However, let me give you some explanation:

First, the model car exactly like mine was never sold in the Spanish market,
and the dealer here is not as familiar with it. It's a US-made model.
There's probably not much difference in the clutch system from the Accord
models sold here in the same year, but who knows. The Accord models are
certainly not identical.

Then, the dealer has been graceful enough to not charge me anything on the
last two repair attemps. I know that it may get to the point where I will
have to find some other dealer in the area, but they will charge me for sure
whatever they do. And the present dealer are nice folks and have worked very
competently on my car until now, so I did not want to jump into someone else
until I have no other alternative.

I was thinking that perhaps someone in this forum had had a similar problem
before, and could give me a hint that I could pass on to the dealer. I know
it's a long shot, but thanks anyhow.

Clara

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?

Your comment is very reasonable. However, let me give you some explanation:

First, the model car exactly like mine was never sold in the Spanish market,
and the dealer here is not as familiar with it. It's a US-made model.
There's probably not much difference in the clutch system from the Accord
models sold here in the same year, but who knows. The Accord models are
certainly not identical.

Then, the dealer has been graceful enough to not charge me anything on the
last two repair attemps. I know that it may get to the point where I will
have to find some other dealer in the area, but they will charge me for sure
whatever they do. And the present dealer are nice folks and have worked very
competently on my car until now, so I did not want to jump into someone else
until I have no other alternative.

I was thinking that perhaps someone in this forum had had a similar problem
before, and could give me a hint that I could pass on to the dealer. I know
it's a long shot, but thanks anyhow.

Clara

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

> True enough.
> If it was my car, I'd be replacing the slave cylinder, though.
> I doubt the dealer is replicating the "client fault conditions."
>


I'll make sure that the slave cylinder is looked at or better yet replaced.

Thanks for the advice !

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

> True enough.
> If it was my car, I'd be replacing the slave cylinder, though.
> I doubt the dealer is replicating the "client fault conditions."
>


I'll make sure that the slave cylinder is looked at or better yet replaced.

Thanks for the advice !

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bi5dd9$g6m$1@news.ya.com>...
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> > Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> > probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> > test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> > think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?


grab a flashlight and look under the dash at the firewall by the
clutch pedal, there you will see the clutch mast rod. does it have
nasty goo around the bottom? replace the master and slave. if one
is going the other is not far behind. while they have the slave off,
have them remove the fork boot and lube the fork pivot.
Chip

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

"Clara Garcia" <clara_g2876@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<bi5dd9$g6m$1@news.ya.com>...
> "John D." <jcdech@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e821bab6.0308211906.2e5311b3@posting.google.c om...
> > Just curious: If a Honda dealer "can't solve" the problem with all his
> > probably ASE-certified mechanics actually having the car to look at,
> > test and work on -- after "several visits" even -- what makes you
> > think anyone HERE can, via long distance and sight-unseen?


grab a flashlight and look under the dash at the firewall by the
clutch pedal, there you will see the clutch mast rod. does it have
nasty goo around the bottom? replace the master and slave. if one
is going the other is not far behind. while they have the slave off,
have them remove the fork boot and lube the fork pivot.
Chip

Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

I'm having a similar problem. I changed the clutch master cylinder and
slave cylinder. Plus, I just changed my clutch 2 month's ago. It is
still slipping.

Did you find out what the problem was?????

Let me know. Thanks.


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Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

I'm having a similar problem. I changed the clutch master cylinder and
slave cylinder. Plus, I just changed my clutch 2 month's ago. It is
still slipping.

Did you find out what the problem was?????

Let me know. Thanks.


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Re: 94 Accord LX 5 spd. - Clutch problem
 

I'm having a similar problem. I changed the clutch master cylinder and
slave cylinder. Plus, I just changed my clutch 2 month's ago. It is
still slipping.

Did you find out what the problem was?????

Let me know. Thanks.


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