'98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

'98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.

Symptom:
Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom
is intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a
while. Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle,
the idle speed sometimes drifts around significantly.

Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
Alternator replaced by indy garage.
Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
Transmission oil changed by dealer.
Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3
belts, coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
[Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
New battery installed by me.
[Symptom continued]

Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but
it seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.

Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air
Control Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be
cleaned? What is its expected lifetime?

Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as
I am careful to return it to its current position?

Q4. What else could cause this problem?

This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
manual. Any advice will be appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris Beall

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

Chris Beall wrote:
> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>
> Symptom:
> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
> intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a
> while. Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle,
> the idle speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>
> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
> speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3
> belts, coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
> New battery installed by me.
> [Symptom continued]
>
> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but
> it seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>
> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air
> Control Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be
> cleaned? What is its expected lifetime?
>
> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as
> I am careful to return it to its current position?
>
> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>
> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Beall

-------------------------

Sounds like your reservoir isn't full to the MAX line, and your cooling
system may need to be bled of air, too. The rad should be full to the
cap, but may have 'burped' since the cooling system was refilled. Be
sure you don't add ANY tap water to your Honda (Hondacide). Keeping the
reservoir at the right level will insure that the rad will refill itself
as any air gets expelled (provided the rad cap is OK) It should be at
that age. The temp sensors have to be immersed, and if they aren't, a
screwy idle will result.

'Curly'

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

Chris Beall wrote:
> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>
> Symptom:
> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
> intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a
> while. Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle,
> the idle speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>
> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
> speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3
> belts, coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
> New battery installed by me.
> [Symptom continued]
>
> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but
> it seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>
> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air
> Control Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be
> cleaned? What is its expected lifetime?
>
> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as
> I am careful to return it to its current position?
>
> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>
> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Beall

-------------------------

Sounds like your reservoir isn't full to the MAX line, and your cooling
system may need to be bled of air, too. The rad should be full to the
cap, but may have 'burped' since the cooling system was refilled. Be
sure you don't add ANY tap water to your Honda (Hondacide). Keeping the
reservoir at the right level will insure that the rad will refill itself
as any air gets expelled (provided the rad cap is OK) It should be at
that age. The temp sensors have to be immersed, and if they aren't, a
screwy idle will result.

'Curly'

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

"Chris Beall" <Chris_Beall@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:ekA9e.894$fw2.856@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>
> Symptom:
> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
> intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a while.
> Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle, the idle
> speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>
> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
> speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3 belts,
> coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
> New battery installed by me.
> [Symptom continued]
>
> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but it
> seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>
> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air Control
> Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be cleaned? What
> is its expected lifetime?
>
> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as I
> am careful to return it to its current position?
>
> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>
> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Beall
>
If I read the list right, the first stop should be the dealer. Two things
they did could lead to the problem, which showed up after you got it back
from them (did I get that right?)

As 'Curly' says, the coolant could be low - and they worked on that. There
is also a chance the timing belt isn't on right, but the straightening out
when it warms up makes me put that way down on the list of suspects.

They may not be to blame, but most shops appreciate the opportunity to check
their work when stuff like this pops up.

Mike

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

"Chris Beall" <Chris_Beall@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:ekA9e.894$fw2.856@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>
> Symptom:
> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
> intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a while.
> Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle, the idle
> speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>
> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
> speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3 belts,
> coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
> New battery installed by me.
> [Symptom continued]
>
> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but it
> seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>
> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air Control
> Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be cleaned? What
> is its expected lifetime?
>
> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as I
> am careful to return it to its current position?
>
> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>
> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Beall
>
If I read the list right, the first stop should be the dealer. Two things
they did could lead to the problem, which showed up after you got it back
from them (did I get that right?)

As 'Curly' says, the coolant could be low - and they worked on that. There
is also a chance the timing belt isn't on right, but the straightening out
when it warms up makes me put that way down on the list of suspects.

They may not be to blame, but most shops appreciate the opportunity to check
their work when stuff like this pops up.

Mike

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

motsco_ _ wrote:
> Chris Beall wrote:
>
>> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>>
>> Symptom:
>> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom
>> is intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a
>> while. Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle,
>> the idle speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>>
>> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
>> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
>> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
>> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
>> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed:
>> erratic speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
>> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3
>> belts, coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
>> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
>> New battery installed by me.
>> [Symptom continued]
>>
>> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but
>> it seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>>
>> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air
>> Control Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be
>> cleaned? What is its expected lifetime?
>>
>> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
>> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long
>> as I am careful to return it to its current position?
>>
>> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>>
>> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
>> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Chris Beall
>
>
> -------------------------
>
> Sounds like your reservoir isn't full to the MAX line, and your cooling
> system may need to be bled of air, too. The rad should be full to the
> cap, but may have 'burped' since the cooling system was refilled. Be
> sure you don't add ANY tap water to your Honda (Hondacide). Keeping the
> reservoir at the right level will insure that the rad will refill itself
> as any air gets expelled (provided the rad cap is OK) It should be at
> that age. The temp sensors have to be immersed, and if they aren't, a
> screwy idle will result.
>
> 'Curly'
>

Curly,

The reservoir is filled to Max (engine cold). The radiator is full
right up to the cap.

Chris Beall

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

Michael Pardee wrote:

> "Chris Beall" <Chris_Beall@prodigy.net> wrote in message
> news:ekA9e.894$fw2.856@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com. ..
>
>>'98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>>
>>Symptom:
>> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
>>intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a while.
>>Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle, the idle
>>speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>>
>>Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
>> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
>> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
>> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
>> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
>>speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
>> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3 belts,
>>coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
>> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
>> New battery installed by me.
>> [Symptom continued]
>>
>>Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but it
>>seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>>
>>Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air Control
>>Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be cleaned? What
>>is its expected lifetime?
>>
>>Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
>>IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as I
>>am careful to return it to its current position?
>>
>>Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>>
>>This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
>>manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks,
>> Chris Beall
>>
>
> If I read the list right, the first stop should be the dealer. Two things
> they did could lead to the problem, which showed up after you got it back
> from them (did I get that right?)
>
> As 'Curly' says, the coolant could be low - and they worked on that. There
> is also a chance the timing belt isn't on right, but the straightening out
> when it warms up makes me put that way down on the list of suspects.
>
> They may not be to blame, but most shops appreciate the opportunity to check
> their work when stuff like this pops up.
>
> Mike
>
>

Mike,

It goes to the dealer tomorrow, but I don't suspect the work they did.
More likely something that has been brewing for a while and my daughter
just didn't notice. That's why I'm focussed on idle air controls. I
had similar problems on a VW Golf a while back and learned how to keep
it functioning, but I don't know if this system is similar nor where the
relevant parts are located.

Thanks,
Chris Beall

Re: '98 Civic LX idle unstable; engine dies
 

Chris Beall wrote:
> '98 Civic LX manual with 94,000 miles.
>
> Symptom:
> Engine dies instantly when you take your foot off the gas. Symptom is
> intermittent, but seems to go away after car has been driven for a
> while. Once the primary symptom is gone, if the car is left at idle,
> the idle speed sometimes drifts around significantly.
>
> Recent work, in the past 3 weeks (chronological order)
> Alternator replaced by indy garage.
> Plugs and air filter replaced by me.
> Transmission oil changed by dealer.
> Frayed wires under intake manifold repaired by dealer (fixed: erratic
> speedometer, engine light, battery warning light inop)
> Timing belt replaced by dealer. This included new water pump, 3
> belts, coolant, valve cover gasket, etc.
> [Symptom first noticed at this time (yesterday)]
> New battery installed by me.
> [Symptom continued]
>
> Q1. What is the correct idle speed? The tach is mushy at low RPM, but
> it seems to idle about 500 RPM, occasionally climbing to 1000.
>
> Q2. What controls idle speed? I've seen references to an Idle Air
> Control Valve. Where is it and what does it look like? Can it be
> cleaned? What is its expected lifetime?
>
> Q3. Is there an idle air adjustment screw that sets a baseline for the
> IACV? If so, where is it? Will I get in trouble moving it, as long as
> I am careful to return it to its current position?
>
> Q4. What else could cause this problem?
>
> This is my daughter's car and I'm ignorant on Hondas and have no shop
> manual. Any advice will be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris Beall
>

Followup:

Dealer adjusted idle, which has made the car usable, but determined that
the Idle Air Control Valve was worn and erratic and was the root cause
of the problem. Diagnosis and adjustment cost $68; replacement of the
IACV estimated at $300. Dealer did not have part in stock. Replacement
will be done in the not-too-distant future.

Chris Beall