Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What does it
provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?
tnx
Hank

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What does it
> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?

Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.

Shame on Honda.

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What does it
> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?

Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.

Shame on Honda.

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

Which one is unreliable>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-91BF8F.19152029052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What does
>> it
>> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?
>
> Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
> they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
> years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
> didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.
>
> Shame on Honda.
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

Which one is unreliable>
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-91BF8F.19152029052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What does
>> it
>> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?
>
> Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
> they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
> years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
> didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.
>
> Shame on Honda.
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

ive had 2 civics and an accord all with automatics in them and they all
worked great. i don't know where people are getting that thier transmisions
are no good. change the fluid in them which is way easier and cheaper than
domestic cars and they'll run strong just like the engine.


-jeff
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> Which one is unreliable>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-91BF8F.19152029052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What
>>> does it
>>> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?
>>
>> Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
>> they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
>> years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
>> didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.
>>
>> Shame on Honda.
>>
>
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

ive had 2 civics and an accord all with automatics in them and they all
worked great. i don't know where people are getting that thier transmisions
are no good. change the fluid in them which is way easier and cheaper than
domestic cars and they'll run strong just like the engine.


-jeff
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
> Which one is unreliable>
> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
> news:elmop-91BF8F.19152029052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
>> In article <b8pme.48$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
>> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> How does one justify the added price of the 5 speed automatic. What
>>> does it
>>> provide that justifies its price? How is the reliabilty?
>>
>> Honda has quite a ways to go to convince me, and much of the world, that
>> they're making a reliable automatic transmission again. They spent 6
>> years putting out HORRIBLE automatic transmissions, and the people who
>> didn't pay attention ended up paying for the repairs.
>>
>> Shame on Honda.
>>
>
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Which one is unreliable>

The 4 speed auto trans that they hooked to their V6 engine, be it Accord
or Odyssey, was pure junk. Everyone knows it, and Honda has a program
out on those.

Then they went to a 5 speed auto trans, in the 02 Odyssey and in the 03
Accord. And guess what? They found out a couple years later that they
screwed up with that one, too, and announced a $371 million recall--the
most expensive in Honda history. They replaced transmissions left and
right.

I remember back in 2002 watching trans after trans being replaced at my
dealership, and asking my mechanic about it. He said they were
replacing 4 or so a week. For the suckers who had to pay for it, they
were about $4K each.

Honda screwed up with auto transmissions BIG time, and the fallout
continues. Many people in the world don't even know about any of this,
and no doubt pay out of their own pockets to fix problems Honda created
through just plain bad engineering and assembly.

Honda has a long way to go to convince me that these problems are behind
them.

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Which one is unreliable>

The 4 speed auto trans that they hooked to their V6 engine, be it Accord
or Odyssey, was pure junk. Everyone knows it, and Honda has a program
out on those.

Then they went to a 5 speed auto trans, in the 02 Odyssey and in the 03
Accord. And guess what? They found out a couple years later that they
screwed up with that one, too, and announced a $371 million recall--the
most expensive in Honda history. They replaced transmissions left and
right.

I remember back in 2002 watching trans after trans being replaced at my
dealership, and asking my mechanic about it. He said they were
replacing 4 or so a week. For the suckers who had to pay for it, they
were about $4K each.

Honda screwed up with auto transmissions BIG time, and the fallout
continues. Many people in the world don't even know about any of this,
and no doubt pay out of their own pockets to fix problems Honda created
through just plain bad engineering and assembly.

Honda has a long way to go to convince me that these problems are behind
them.

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

I'm looking at an LX with 4 banger and 4 speed automatic. What are the
concerns?
Hank
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-100BE9.09125530052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Which one is unreliable>
>
> The 4 speed auto trans that they hooked to their V6 engine, be it Accord
> or Odyssey, was pure junk. Everyone knows it, and Honda has a program
> out on those.
>
> Then they went to a 5 speed auto trans, in the 02 Odyssey and in the 03
> Accord. And guess what? They found out a couple years later that they
> screwed up with that one, too, and announced a $371 million recall--the
> most expensive in Honda history. They replaced transmissions left and
> right.
>
> I remember back in 2002 watching trans after trans being replaced at my
> dealership, and asking my mechanic about it. He said they were
> replacing 4 or so a week. For the suckers who had to pay for it, they
> were about $4K each.
>
> Honda screwed up with auto transmissions BIG time, and the fallout
> continues. Many people in the world don't even know about any of this,
> and no doubt pay out of their own pockets to fix problems Honda created
> through just plain bad engineering and assembly.
>
> Honda has a long way to go to convince me that these problems are behind
> them.
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

I'm looking at an LX with 4 banger and 4 speed automatic. What are the
concerns?
Hank
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-100BE9.09125530052005@nntp3.usenetserver.com...
> In article <Qjsme.85$RV5.33@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com>,
> "Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Which one is unreliable>
>
> The 4 speed auto trans that they hooked to their V6 engine, be it Accord
> or Odyssey, was pure junk. Everyone knows it, and Honda has a program
> out on those.
>
> Then they went to a 5 speed auto trans, in the 02 Odyssey and in the 03
> Accord. And guess what? They found out a couple years later that they
> screwed up with that one, too, and announced a $371 million recall--the
> most expensive in Honda history. They replaced transmissions left and
> right.
>
> I remember back in 2002 watching trans after trans being replaced at my
> dealership, and asking my mechanic about it. He said they were
> replacing 4 or so a week. For the suckers who had to pay for it, they
> were about $4K each.
>
> Honda screwed up with auto transmissions BIG time, and the fallout
> continues. Many people in the world don't even know about any of this,
> and no doubt pay out of their own pockets to fix problems Honda created
> through just plain bad engineering and assembly.
>
> Honda has a long way to go to convince me that these problems are behind
> them.
>

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <GHEme.677$Ag1.596@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I'm looking at an LX with 4 banger and 4 speed automatic. What are the
> concerns?

Virtually none. Rock solid.

Re: Accord automatic 4 vs 5 speed ?
 

In article <GHEme.677$Ag1.596@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
"Henry Kolesnik" <kolesnik@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I'm looking at an LX with 4 banger and 4 speed automatic. What are the
> concerns?

Virtually none. Rock solid.