Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
wrote:
>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

Performance buyers want PERFORMANCE, not just a half-second off the
standard model's quarter mile time.

As done it was an interesting play by Honda, but it never made a lot
of sense or had much odds of success. I salute the effort, sort of.
Probably would sell more on the Accord 4, but better yet to keep it on
the Civic, and maybe move it up to the Acuras for laffs.

J.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
wrote:
>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

Performance buyers want PERFORMANCE, not just a half-second off the
standard model's quarter mile time.

As done it was an interesting play by Honda, but it never made a lot
of sense or had much odds of success. I salute the effort, sort of.
Probably would sell more on the Accord 4, but better yet to keep it on
the Civic, and maybe move it up to the Acuras for laffs.

J.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

On 8 Jun 2007 13:59:33 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
>news:316h63pt5tnofbtfg16if5ptotmnj8nmnd@4ax.com :
>
>
>
>>
>> To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???
>>
>
>there's hardly any room under the hood for the current GSR motor,where are
>they going to put the electric motor/generator? (and how would you work on
>it?)

Well, the GS-R has been out of production for about seven years so
obviously I am talking about a new car. I haven't checked under the
hood of the current Civic Si, but I am sure it is tight. Still, that
is the beauty of the Honda IMA, it is very compact adding only about 3
or 4 inches of width to the drive train. Seems like it would be
possible for the Honda team, especially if the next generation Civic
was designed with this in mind.

>I -do- wish Honda would bring back the Integra and Prelude,don't really
>care about a hybrid electric.
>Honda/Acura doesn't currently make any autos I would be interested in.

In this category, only the Civic Si is a contender. Not bad, but not
attractive enough to get me out of my '94 GS-R.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

On 8 Jun 2007 13:59:33 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote:

>Gordon McGrew <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in
>news:316h63pt5tnofbtfg16if5ptotmnj8nmnd@4ax.com :
>
>
>
>>
>> To sum up, HEY HONDA, WHERE'S MY INTEGRA GS-R HYBRID???
>>
>
>there's hardly any room under the hood for the current GSR motor,where are
>they going to put the electric motor/generator? (and how would you work on
>it?)

Well, the GS-R has been out of production for about seven years so
obviously I am talking about a new car. I haven't checked under the
hood of the current Civic Si, but I am sure it is tight. Still, that
is the beauty of the Honda IMA, it is very compact adding only about 3
or 4 inches of width to the drive train. Seems like it would be
possible for the Honda team, especially if the next generation Civic
was designed with this in mind.

>I -do- wish Honda would bring back the Integra and Prelude,don't really
>care about a hybrid electric.
>Honda/Acura doesn't currently make any autos I would be interested in.

In this category, only the Civic Si is a contender. Not bad, but not
attractive enough to get me out of my '94 GS-R.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in
news:vnaj63hukp5a0sc6a1glj3fr5fdr7ii33t@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
> wrote:
>>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

there's no reason why there can't be switchable modes;economy and
performance.With an indicator light on the dash,preferably color-coded.
>
> Performance buyers want PERFORMANCE, not just a half-second off the
> standard model's quarter mile time.
>
> As done it was an interesting play by Honda, but it never made a lot
> of sense or had much odds of success. I salute the effort, sort of.
> Probably would sell more on the Accord 4, but better yet to keep it on
> the Civic, and maybe move it up to the Acuras for laffs.
>
> J.
>
>



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in
news:vnaj63hukp5a0sc6a1glj3fr5fdr7ii33t@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
> wrote:
>>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.

there's no reason why there can't be switchable modes;economy and
performance.With an indicator light on the dash,preferably color-coded.
>
> Performance buyers want PERFORMANCE, not just a half-second off the
> standard model's quarter mile time.
>
> As done it was an interesting play by Honda, but it never made a lot
> of sense or had much odds of success. I salute the effort, sort of.
> Probably would sell more on the Accord 4, but better yet to keep it on
> the Civic, and maybe move it up to the Acuras for laffs.
>
> J.
>
>



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9949A1F7C1B4Bjyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85...
> JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in
> news:vnaj63hukp5a0sc6a1glj3fr5fdr7ii33t@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
>> wrote:
>>>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>>>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>
> there's no reason why there can't be switchable modes;economy and
> performance.With an indicator light on the dash,preferably color-coded.
>>

With hybridization, the two come together. The essence of hybridization is
to separate engine power from acceleration performance; in a serial hybrid
(none in production today) fuel economy and engine power have nothing at all
to do with performance. If the engine is ripped out of the car the
performance improves because of the reduced weight, but the range suffers
badly.

Honda's IMA is a parallel system but the principle applies. That they can
make a car with spectacular performance and impressive economy is old news -
six years old in fact: http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/auto/DUALNOTE/ .
The Accord had just too little in the way of electric power to make a
difference in either economy or performance.

Mike

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote in message
news:Xns9949A1F7C1B4Bjyanikkuanet@64.209.0.85...
> JXStern <JXSternChangeX2R@gte.net> wrote in
> news:vnaj63hukp5a0sc6a1glj3fr5fdr7ii33t@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 23:11:30 -0700, Bucky <uw_badgers@email.com>
>> wrote:
>>>That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>>>which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>
> there's no reason why there can't be switchable modes;economy and
> performance.With an indicator light on the dash,preferably color-coded.
>>

With hybridization, the two come together. The essence of hybridization is
to separate engine power from acceleration performance; in a serial hybrid
(none in production today) fuel economy and engine power have nothing at all
to do with performance. If the engine is ripped out of the car the
performance improves because of the reduced weight, but the range suffers
badly.

Honda's IMA is a parallel system but the principle applies. That they can
make a car with spectacular performance and impressive economy is old news -
six years old in fact: http://world.honda.com/Tokyo2001/auto/DUALNOTE/ .
The Accord had just too little in the way of electric power to make a
difference in either economy or performance.

Mike

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

Bucky wrote:
> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>
> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>

I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved
me right.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

Bucky wrote:
> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>
> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>

I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved
me right.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

Bucky wrote:
> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>
> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>

I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved
me right.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:QgGci.63$5h6.2@trnddc05...
> Bucky wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>>
>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>>
>
> I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved me
> right.
>
>
I don't know about the concept, but the implementation failed. The
cost/benefit just wasn't there.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:QgGci.63$5h6.2@trnddc05...
> Bucky wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>>
>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>>
>
> I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved me
> right.
>
>
I don't know about the concept, but the implementation failed. The
cost/benefit just wasn't there.

Re: Accord hybrid - kiss it goodbye
 

"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:QgGci.63$5h6.2@trnddc05...
> Bucky wrote:
>> On Jun 6, 6:55 am, H.Daccor <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>> Most analysts blame the model's failure
>>> on Honda's decision to pair electric components with a V-6 engine
>>> instead of with a higher-mileage four-cylinder gasoline motor.
>>
>> That's probably true.I think Honda was going for a performance hybrid,
>> which does make sense. But hybrid buyers just want mpg.
>>
>
> I thought it was a dumb idea from day 1 and I said so. Time has proved me
> right.
>
>
I don't know about the concept, but the implementation failed. The
cost/benefit just wasn't there.