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Re: My letter to the dealer
OK. Sorry. I am using a graphical reader, which displays the whole thread
nicely indented as appropriate. So changing subject lines is helpful sometimes in that case. Chuck "Tegger" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message news:Xns98998B1E06AA4tegger@207.14.116.130... > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in > news:AqCdnYLbHe-g_RzYnZ2dnUVZ_uS3nZ2d@conversent.net: > > > <snip> > > Chuck, while I sympathize with your problem and have been following this > thread with interest, I must point up something nobody has as yet: It is > poor procedure to keep changing the Subject line with each message. Some > newsreaders have fits with changing Subject lines. > > The subject line should stay the same throughout the thread unless the > suject changes enough to send the thread off-topic, which this one has > not. > > > > -- > Tegger > > The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ > www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer...
No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking about it.... Comments? Chuck "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > Some questions... > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > TIA, > Chuck Connell > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer...
No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking about it.... Comments? Chuck "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > Some questions... > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > TIA, > Chuck Connell > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer...
No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking about it.... Comments? Chuck "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > Some questions... > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > TIA, > Chuck Connell > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer...
No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking about it.... Comments? Chuck "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > Some questions... > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > TIA, > Chuck Connell > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck Not surprised. Figured they would fix it rather than replace the engine or the car. The bad part about this is if there is failure at an inopportune time -- on a trip somewhere -- you are inconvenienced considerably. > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... > >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed > >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got > >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did > >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so > >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked > >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the > >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the > >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > > > Some questions... > > > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > > > TIA, > > Chuck Connell > > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > > > > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck Not surprised. Figured they would fix it rather than replace the engine or the car. The bad part about this is if there is failure at an inopportune time -- on a trip somewhere -- you are inconvenienced considerably. > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... > >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed > >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got > >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did > >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so > >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked > >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the > >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the > >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > > > Some questions... > > > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > > > TIA, > > Chuck Connell > > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > > > > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck Not surprised. Figured they would fix it rather than replace the engine or the car. The bad part about this is if there is failure at an inopportune time -- on a trip somewhere -- you are inconvenienced considerably. > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... > >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed > >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got > >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did > >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so > >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked > >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the > >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the > >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > > > Some questions... > > > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > > > TIA, > > Chuck Connell > > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > > > > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck Not surprised. Figured they would fix it rather than replace the engine or the car. The bad part about this is if there is failure at an inopportune time -- on a trip somewhere -- you are inconvenienced considerably. > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... > >I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed > >the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got > >home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did > >another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so > >I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked > >the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the > >level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the > >dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. > > > > I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There > > are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my > > driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! > > > > Some questions... > > > > - Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just > > over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. > > > > - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some > > days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) > > > > - Any other thoughts/insights? > > > > TIA, > > Chuck Connell > > http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page > > > > > > |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166085369.179513.138720@t46g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > Chuck Connell wrote: >> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers >> in >> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the >> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside >> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the >> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed. >> >> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his >> manager. >> >> Chuck > > Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early. > > I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car. > It would be a real scandal if there were a lot of these, but this is the first one I've heard of in the five years or so I've been here. Of course it is most likely a failure of the seal itself, and it's a good bet Hyundai gets their seals from the same vendor, for the same reasons Honda buys from them. Few dealers would want to exchange the entire car; I doubt the Hyundai dealers are as foolish as you suggest. (You wouldn't do that, would you?) Infancy failures are legion - that's why warranties exist, you know - and they are usually handled on the concept of the "FRU" (field replaceable unit). In this case the unit is the engine, because the whole car isn't riddled with defects. A new car would mean the customer is exposed to being the field tester for a whole new vehicle again, with the increased risk of failures that implies. Mike |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166085369.179513.138720@t46g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > Chuck Connell wrote: >> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers >> in >> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the >> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside >> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the >> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed. >> >> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his >> manager. >> >> Chuck > > Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early. > > I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car. > It would be a real scandal if there were a lot of these, but this is the first one I've heard of in the five years or so I've been here. Of course it is most likely a failure of the seal itself, and it's a good bet Hyundai gets their seals from the same vendor, for the same reasons Honda buys from them. Few dealers would want to exchange the entire car; I doubt the Hyundai dealers are as foolish as you suggest. (You wouldn't do that, would you?) Infancy failures are legion - that's why warranties exist, you know - and they are usually handled on the concept of the "FRU" (field replaceable unit). In this case the unit is the engine, because the whole car isn't riddled with defects. A new car would mean the customer is exposed to being the field tester for a whole new vehicle again, with the increased risk of failures that implies. Mike |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166085369.179513.138720@t46g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > Chuck Connell wrote: >> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers >> in >> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the >> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside >> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the >> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed. >> >> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his >> manager. >> >> Chuck > > Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early. > > I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car. > It would be a real scandal if there were a lot of these, but this is the first one I've heard of in the five years or so I've been here. Of course it is most likely a failure of the seal itself, and it's a good bet Hyundai gets their seals from the same vendor, for the same reasons Honda buys from them. Few dealers would want to exchange the entire car; I doubt the Hyundai dealers are as foolish as you suggest. (You wouldn't do that, would you?) Infancy failures are legion - that's why warranties exist, you know - and they are usually handled on the concept of the "FRU" (field replaceable unit). In this case the unit is the engine, because the whole car isn't riddled with defects. A new car would mean the customer is exposed to being the field tester for a whole new vehicle again, with the increased risk of failures that implies. Mike |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166085369.179513.138720@t46g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > Chuck Connell wrote: >> Just got off the phone with the service rep at the dealer (Herb Chambers >> in >> Burlington MA). The crank seal was blown. The oil was pumping onto the >> ground as the engine ran. He said "it looks like everything is OK inside >> the engine". I said there is no way to know that without putting the >> crankshaft and cylinder walls under a microscope. He more or less agreed. >> >> I said that I want a new car, and he agreed to escalate this to his >> manager. >> >> Chuck > > Wow! Already engine trouble on brand new cars??? Wow! Way too early. > > I bet that Hyundai dealer will exchange with a new car. > It would be a real scandal if there were a lot of these, but this is the first one I've heard of in the five years or so I've been here. Of course it is most likely a failure of the seal itself, and it's a good bet Hyundai gets their seals from the same vendor, for the same reasons Honda buys from them. Few dealers would want to exchange the entire car; I doubt the Hyundai dealers are as foolish as you suggest. (You wouldn't do that, would you?) Infancy failures are legion - that's why warranties exist, you know - and they are usually handled on the concept of the "FRU" (field replaceable unit). In this case the unit is the engine, because the whole car isn't riddled with defects. A new car would mean the customer is exposed to being the field tester for a whole new vehicle again, with the increased risk of failures that implies. Mike |
Re: New engine option ?
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166086097.812921.220340@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > > He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on > the driver. > If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will > replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles > guarantee. > You notice he is in line to get a new engine under the Honda warranty, too? Hyundai isn't as stupid as you suggest; they are pretty smart people. They won't warranty something that is damaged through owner negligence, because it is spelled out in the warranty and that would be simply bad business. Leading car makers, including Honda and Toyota, have consistently given customers the benefit of the doubt and footed the bill for major failures that may be brought on by customer negligence. But that doesn't mean they are foolish about it. Mike |
Re: New engine option ?
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166086097.812921.220340@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > > He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on > the driver. > If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will > replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles > guarantee. > You notice he is in line to get a new engine under the Honda warranty, too? Hyundai isn't as stupid as you suggest; they are pretty smart people. They won't warranty something that is damaged through owner negligence, because it is spelled out in the warranty and that would be simply bad business. Leading car makers, including Honda and Toyota, have consistently given customers the benefit of the doubt and footed the bill for major failures that may be brought on by customer negligence. But that doesn't mean they are foolish about it. Mike |
Re: New engine option ?
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166086097.812921.220340@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > > He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on > the driver. > If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will > replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles > guarantee. > You notice he is in line to get a new engine under the Honda warranty, too? Hyundai isn't as stupid as you suggest; they are pretty smart people. They won't warranty something that is damaged through owner negligence, because it is spelled out in the warranty and that would be simply bad business. Leading car makers, including Honda and Toyota, have consistently given customers the benefit of the doubt and footed the bill for major failures that may be brought on by customer negligence. But that doesn't mean they are foolish about it. Mike |
Re: New engine option ?
"Red Cloud" <mmdir2005@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1166086097.812921.220340@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... > > > He should get new engine if not get a new car even if the fault is on > the driver. > If this happens to Hyundai, with Hyundai aggressive service will > replace new engine based on Hyundia's 5 years or 100,000 miles > guarantee. > You notice he is in line to get a new engine under the Honda warranty, too? Hyundai isn't as stupid as you suggest; they are pretty smart people. They won't warranty something that is damaged through owner negligence, because it is spelled out in the warranty and that would be simply bad business. Leading car makers, including Honda and Toyota, have consistently given customers the benefit of the doubt and footed the bill for major failures that may be brought on by customer negligence. But that doesn't mean they are foolish about it. Mike |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:_Kmdnbo0q4smchzYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@sedona.net: > Infancy failures are legion Actully, they're extremely rare. The problem is, even a 0.01% field failure rate is considered catastrophic due to the absolute numbers involved. Plus the bad publicity generated therefrom. > that's why warranties exist, you > know And the worse the perceived quality, often the better the warranty, in an attempt at putting peoples' minds at ease. Anybody remember NSU's rotaries? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:_Kmdnbo0q4smchzYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@sedona.net: > Infancy failures are legion Actully, they're extremely rare. The problem is, even a 0.01% field failure rate is considered catastrophic due to the absolute numbers involved. Plus the bad publicity generated therefrom. > that's why warranties exist, you > know And the worse the perceived quality, often the better the warranty, in an attempt at putting peoples' minds at ease. Anybody remember NSU's rotaries? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:_Kmdnbo0q4smchzYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@sedona.net: > Infancy failures are legion Actully, they're extremely rare. The problem is, even a 0.01% field failure rate is considered catastrophic due to the absolute numbers involved. Plus the bad publicity generated therefrom. > that's why warranties exist, you > know And the worse the perceived quality, often the better the warranty, in an attempt at putting peoples' minds at ease. Anybody remember NSU's rotaries? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: Update -- it was the crank seal
"Michael Pardee" <michaeltnull@cybertrails.com> wrote in
news:_Kmdnbo0q4smchzYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@sedona.net: > Infancy failures are legion Actully, they're extremely rare. The problem is, even a 0.01% field failure rate is considered catastrophic due to the absolute numbers involved. Plus the bad publicity generated therefrom. > that's why warranties exist, you > know And the worse the perceived quality, often the better the warranty, in an attempt at putting peoples' minds at ease. Anybody remember NSU's rotaries? -- Tegger The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
Re: New engine option ?
Chuck Connell wrote:
> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended > resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If > the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should > accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole > engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as > the engine in a new car. > Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? > > Chuck The install new engines in the factory all the time. |
Re: New engine option ?
Chuck Connell wrote:
> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended > resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If > the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should > accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole > engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as > the engine in a new car. > Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? > > Chuck The install new engines in the factory all the time. |
Re: New engine option ?
Chuck Connell wrote:
> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended > resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If > the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should > accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole > engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as > the engine in a new car. > Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? > > Chuck The install new engines in the factory all the time. |
Re: New engine option ?
Chuck Connell wrote:
> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended > resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If > the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should > accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole > engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as > the engine in a new car. > Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? > > Chuck The install new engines in the factory all the time. |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
If you are reasonably sure that it never actually ran bone dry, chances are
that it really wasn't damaged. If they are offering to extend the bumper to bumper warranty and not just the engine internals, I would take the warranty, it would turn it into the cheapest to maintain car you could get. I know, a lot of "if"s. You will need to decide based on how much damage, if any, you think was actually done to it. On 12/14/06 2:35 PM, in article J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.net, "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote: > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >> I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >> the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >> level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >> dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
If you are reasonably sure that it never actually ran bone dry, chances are
that it really wasn't damaged. If they are offering to extend the bumper to bumper warranty and not just the engine internals, I would take the warranty, it would turn it into the cheapest to maintain car you could get. I know, a lot of "if"s. You will need to decide based on how much damage, if any, you think was actually done to it. On 12/14/06 2:35 PM, in article J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.net, "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote: > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >> I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >> the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >> level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >> dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
If you are reasonably sure that it never actually ran bone dry, chances are
that it really wasn't damaged. If they are offering to extend the bumper to bumper warranty and not just the engine internals, I would take the warranty, it would turn it into the cheapest to maintain car you could get. I know, a lot of "if"s. You will need to decide based on how much damage, if any, you think was actually done to it. On 12/14/06 2:35 PM, in article J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.net, "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote: > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >> I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >> the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >> level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >> dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
If you are reasonably sure that it never actually ran bone dry, chances are
that it really wasn't damaged. If they are offering to extend the bumper to bumper warranty and not just the engine internals, I would take the warranty, it would turn it into the cheapest to maintain car you could get. I know, a lot of "if"s. You will need to decide based on how much damage, if any, you think was actually done to it. On 12/14/06 2:35 PM, in article J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.net, "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote: > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >> I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >> the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >> home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >> another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >> I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >> the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >> level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >> dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
Can you compare the vehicle MPG before and after the incident? If the MPG
drops, that would be an indication of increased friction due to damage. Or it could be colder weather and longer warm up times. Either way, it is a possible data point. Paul. Phoenix, AZ "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >>I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >>the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >>home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >>another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >>I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >>the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >>level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >>dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
Can you compare the vehicle MPG before and after the incident? If the MPG
drops, that would be an indication of increased friction due to damage. Or it could be colder weather and longer warm up times. Either way, it is a possible data point. Paul. Phoenix, AZ "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >>I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >>the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >>home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >>another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >>I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >>the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >>level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >>dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
Can you compare the vehicle MPG before and after the incident? If the MPG
drops, that would be an indication of increased friction due to damage. Or it could be colder weather and longer warm up times. Either way, it is a possible data point. Paul. Phoenix, AZ "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >>I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >>the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >>home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >>another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >>I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >>the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >>level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >>dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
Can you compare the vehicle MPG before and after the incident? If the MPG
drops, that would be an indication of increased friction due to damage. Or it could be colder weather and longer warm up times. Either way, it is a possible data point. Paul. Phoenix, AZ "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > > > "Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message > news:nqSdnZV3zoPqIOPYnZ2dnUVZ_oannZ2d@conversent.n et... >>I have a one-month old 07 CRV with about 900 miles. Last night I noticed >>the oil light blinking randomly. I checked the oil level as soon as I got >>home, just a couple miles later. It was down, so I added a quart. I did >>another short errand (5 miles), then checked the oil again. Still low, so >>I added another quart and parked it for the night. This morning I checked >>the stick and it showed nothing. So I added two more quarts, bringing the >>level up to full (2nd hole in the stick). I drove the car directly to the >>dealer this morning (about 5 miles) with no oil light coming on. >> >> I now realize that the oil has been running out for a week or more. There >> are oil spots where I park my car at work, and two large spots in my >> driveway. The oil level was down 4 quarts! >> >> Some questions... >> >> - Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> - What is the total oil capacity of this vehicle? I suspect it is just >> over 4q, so my oil was VERY low. >> >> - Should I demand a new car from the dealer, since I drove it for some >> days this way? (Probably about 20-30 miles per day.) >> >> - Any other thoughts/insights? >> >> TIA, >> Chuck Connell >> http://www.chc-3.com -- My home page >> >> > > |
Re: New engine option ?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:55:12 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
> Chuck Connell wrote: >> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended >> resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If >> the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should >> accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole >> engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as >> the engine in a new car. >> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? >> >> Chuck > > The install new engines in the factory all the time. The dealer doesn't work at the factory, and the factory uses machinery for most of the work. But installing an engine should be doable by any competent mechanic. It takes time and work, but it isn't something new to the automotive world. |
Re: New engine option ?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:55:12 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
> Chuck Connell wrote: >> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended >> resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If >> the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should >> accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole >> engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as >> the engine in a new car. >> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? >> >> Chuck > > The install new engines in the factory all the time. The dealer doesn't work at the factory, and the factory uses machinery for most of the work. But installing an engine should be doable by any competent mechanic. It takes time and work, but it isn't something new to the automotive world. |
Re: New engine option ?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:55:12 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
> Chuck Connell wrote: >> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended >> resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If >> the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should >> accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole >> engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as >> the engine in a new car. >> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? >> >> Chuck > > The install new engines in the factory all the time. The dealer doesn't work at the factory, and the factory uses machinery for most of the work. But installing an engine should be doable by any competent mechanic. It takes time and work, but it isn't something new to the automotive world. |
Re: New engine option ?
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:55:12 +0000, L Alpert wrote:
> Chuck Connell wrote: >> I have not yet heard back from the dealer, about their intended >> resolution. I am now driving a rental, which they are paying for. If >> the dealer offers to install a new engine, I am wondering if I should >> accept it... It seems pretty complicated to me to replace the whole >> engine, with all of its many interconnections, and do it as well as >> the engine in a new car. >> Thoughts on whether I could trust a dealer to do this right? >> >> Chuck > > The install new engines in the factory all the time. The dealer doesn't work at the factory, and the factory uses machinery for most of the work. But installing an engine should be doable by any competent mechanic. It takes time and work, but it isn't something new to the automotive world. |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message
news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > If there was damage from running dry, it should be apparent in the next month (the voice of sad experience!) I undertightened an oil filter when I was a kid and by the time the oil light came on - I was on the freeway - the damage was done. It was audible as a soft snare drum sound right away and progressed to a clear rod knock within a week or two. It seems the indium coating on the crank bearings is intolerant of being run dry :-( The warranty sounds like a really good deal. If they replace the engine (or the car) and the tranny goes out at 70K miles without an extended warranty you are on your own. With the warranty, you are covered for engine damage and more. It's also a good deal for Honda, since it's "soft" money. Heck, at work we accepted 2 years of free tech support for a piece of equipment the mfr's contractor botched an upgrade on. A pretty good deal, since the support was worth $7500 per year! And it didn't cost the mfr any hard money. Life is good.... Mike |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message
news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > If there was damage from running dry, it should be apparent in the next month (the voice of sad experience!) I undertightened an oil filter when I was a kid and by the time the oil light came on - I was on the freeway - the damage was done. It was audible as a soft snare drum sound right away and progressed to a clear rod knock within a week or two. It seems the indium coating on the crank bearings is intolerant of being run dry :-( The warranty sounds like a really good deal. If they replace the engine (or the car) and the tranny goes out at 70K miles without an extended warranty you are on your own. With the warranty, you are covered for engine damage and more. It's also a good deal for Honda, since it's "soft" money. Heck, at work we accepted 2 years of free tech support for a piece of equipment the mfr's contractor botched an upgrade on. A pretty good deal, since the support was worth $7500 per year! And it didn't cost the mfr any hard money. Life is good.... Mike |
Re: All the oil ran out of my new 2007 CR-V !!
"Chuck Connell" <connell@chc-3.com> wrote in message
news:J9GdnZSV_Z6IKxzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@conversent.n et... > The dealer (and Honda corporate) has come back with their latest offer... > No new car, no new engine, but a 7 year / 100K warranty. I am thinking > about it.... Comments? > > Chuck > If there was damage from running dry, it should be apparent in the next month (the voice of sad experience!) I undertightened an oil filter when I was a kid and by the time the oil light came on - I was on the freeway - the damage was done. It was audible as a soft snare drum sound right away and progressed to a clear rod knock within a week or two. It seems the indium coating on the crank bearings is intolerant of being run dry :-( The warranty sounds like a really good deal. If they replace the engine (or the car) and the tranny goes out at 70K miles without an extended warranty you are on your own. With the warranty, you are covered for engine damage and more. It's also a good deal for Honda, since it's "soft" money. Heck, at work we accepted 2 years of free tech support for a piece of equipment the mfr's contractor botched an upgrade on. A pretty good deal, since the support was worth $7500 per year! And it didn't cost the mfr any hard money. Life is good.... Mike |
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