Re: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y-
KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote: >> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote: >>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message >>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com... >>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also >>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any >>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ? >>>> >>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks. >>> >>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already, >>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly >>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID. >>> >>> >> >> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its >> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it >> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate >> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would >> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight, >> which is ultimately why we have what we have today. >> >> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has >> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which >> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying >> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive >> for a mom & pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the >> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics, >> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully >> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never >> exist. >> > > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...dent_mechanics > > > Just wait until integrated console controls become wide. Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your dash,your radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc. strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of production;irreplacable and the death of your car. Planned obsolesence. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
Re: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y- > KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net: > >> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote: >>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote: >>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message >>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com... >>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but also >>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any >>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ? >>>>> >>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks. >>>> >>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars already, >>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive directly >>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its >>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got it >>> right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the ultimate >>> in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the wazoo. it would >>> also put all the independent repair shops out of business overnight, >>> which is ultimately why we have what we have today. >>> >>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd has >>> been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" codes, which >>> are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with constant lobbying >>> and back-door influence, want to make it difficult and more expensive >>> for a mom& pop garage to exist, and keep the vehicle coming back to the >>> dealer. you can expect that trend to continue - the nature of politics, >>> influence and business interests being what they are, a fully >>> "universal", accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never >>> exist. >>> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...dent_mechanics >> >> >> > > Just wait until integrated console controls become wide. > Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your dash,your > radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc. > strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of > production;irreplacable and the death of your car. > > Planned obsolesence. > so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000 miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done that 20 years ago. |
Re: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote in
news:Ct6dnYwRYoO0PqvWnZ2dnUVZ_sJi4p2d@speakeasy.ne t: > On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: >> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y- >> KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net: >> >>> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote: >>>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote: >>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com... >>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but >>>>>> also want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. >>>>>> Any recommendations for a non-mechanic ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars >>>>> already, then distribute a program that would read the codes and >>>>> dive directly into the troubleshooting of the code based on the >>>>> car ID. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its >>>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got >>>> it right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the >>>> ultimate in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the >>>> wazoo. it would also put all the independent repair shops out of >>>> business overnight, which is ultimately why we have what we have >>>> today. >>>> >>>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd >>>> has been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" >>>> codes, which are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with >>>> constant lobbying and back-door influence, want to make it >>>> difficult and more expensive for a mom& pop garage to exist, and >>>> keep the vehicle coming back to the dealer. you can expect that >>>> trend to continue - the nature of politics, influence and business >>>> interests being what they are, a fully "universal", >>>> accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never exist. >>>> >>> >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...pendent_mechan >>> ics >>> >>> >>> >> >> Just wait until integrated console controls become wide. >> Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your >> dash,your radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc. >> strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of >> production;irreplacable and the death of your car. >> >> Planned obsolesence. >> > > so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000 > miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done > that 20 years ago. > > you're hilarious. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com |
Re: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
On 12/26/2009 07:26 PM, Jim Yanik wrote:
> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in > news:Ct6dnYwRYoO0PqvWnZ2dnUVZ_sJi4p2d@speakeasy.ne t: > >> On 12/26/2009 03:45 PM, Jim Yanik wrote: >>> jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote in news:jfmdnQ3Ai81Y- >>> KvWnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@speakeasy.net: >>> >>>> On 12/23/2009 08:21 AM, jim beam wrote: >>>>> On 12/23/2009 07:57 AM, Stewart wrote: >>>>>> "Guy"<void@void.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com... >>>>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but >>>>>>> also want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. >>>>>>> Any recommendations for a non-mechanic ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars >>>>>> already, then distribute a program that would read the codes and >>>>>> dive directly into the troubleshooting of the code based on the >>>>>> car ID. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> car manufacturers fought a common obd standard tooth and nail. its >>>>> existence is one of the few instances where government actually got >>>>> it right and could see that fully proprietary coding would be the >>>>> ultimate in lock-in device and end up costing the consumer up the >>>>> wazoo. it would also put all the independent repair shops out of >>>>> business overnight, which is ultimately why we have what we have >>>>> today. >>>>> >>>>> but the car manufacturers still don't like it. the intent of obd >>>>> has been diluted with all the tier two codes, the "proprietary" >>>>> codes, which are completely inconsistent. iow, manufacturers, with >>>>> constant lobbying and back-door influence, want to make it >>>>> difficult and more expensive for a mom& pop garage to exist, and >>>>> keep the vehicle coming back to the dealer. you can expect that >>>>> trend to continue - the nature of politics, influence and business >>>>> interests being what they are, a fully "universal", >>>>> accessible-by-anyone software interface will simply never exist. >>>>> >>>> >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091226/...pendent_mechan >>>> ics >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Just wait until integrated console controls become wide. >>> Where a LCD display,touchscreen and microprocessor controls your >>> dash,your radio,heater,AC,NAV system.etc. >>> strictly company specific(custom),and once it's out of >>> production;irreplacable and the death of your car. >>> >>> Planned obsolesence. >>> >> >> so why haven't manufacturers programmed in a mileage limit? "100,000 >> miles and the car dies after next switch-off". they could have done >> that 20 years ago. >> >> > > you're hilarious. > no, i'm absolutely serious. your engine computer can be programmed to stop running after "x" miles, "y" engine revs, or "z" operation hours. no problem. you'd never know - your car would simply fail to start after you've just come out of mcdonalds, [can't have it shut down while operating and potentially causing a crash] - you'd just have to pay the dealer $3k to get it going again. that's five lines of code. or less. |
Re: best OBD II scanner for 2003 Accord or newer Hondas
"E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in message news:C758DC96.14FCA%e.p.meyer@verizon.net... > On 12/23/09 6:11 PM, in article > Xns9CEAC380BDF43jyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44, "Jim Yanik" > <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote: > >> "E. Meyer" <e.p.meyer@verizon.net> wrote in >> news:C757B910.14F8F%e.p.meyer@verizon.net: >> >>> On 12/23/09 9:57 AM, in article >>> hgtekh$pmm$1@news.eternal-september.org, >>> "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> "Guy" <void@void.com> wrote in message >>>> news:6be1j5916685unm27kkbusgu6q7rhd317t@4ax.com... >>>>> I'm thinking of buying a scanner for my 2003 4cyl Accord LX but >>>>> also >>>>> want to be able to use it on any newer Hondas I might buy. Any >>>>> recommendations for a non-mechanic ? >>>>> >>>>> Also, on the 2003 Accord, where will this plug in? Thanks. >>>> >>>> I wonder why they just don't put a USB interface in the cars >>>> already, >>>> then distribute a program that would read the codes and dive >>>> directly >>>> into the troubleshooting of the code based on the car ID. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> I suspect the reason is that they don't WANT a widely distributed >>> program >>> out there that can do that. >>> >>> >> >> Google and you will find programs and interface cables to allow >> your laptop >> to read the OBD-II codes.They aren't free,however. >> >> >> for starters; http://www.thinkythings.org/obdii/ >> >> it has links to some commercial products. >> > > I'm aware of those products (snide Google remark notwithstanding), > but I did > not get the impression the OP was asking that question. It does > appear from > his question that he is not aware the port on all cars since 1995 is > in fact > standardized. > Most are aware that they had been standardized, but including a USB port would be a no brainer, considering how prevalent the interface is these days. |
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