Black Box
Does anyone have any insight on if the new Honda's have any black boxes
(EDR - event data recorders) in them ? Specially the new Odyssey's. Ref - http://www.forbes.com/columnists/for.../0811/084.html TIA !! |
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RA wrote:
> Does anyone have any insight on if the new Honda's have any black boxes > (EDR - event data recorders) in them ? Specially the new Odyssey's. > Ref - http://www.forbes.com/columnists/for.../0811/084.html > > TIA !! > > all modern fuel injected cars have them. what question do you want answered? |
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I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North America
today. I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. "RA" <ronniea@REMOVEMEbigfoot.com> wrote in message news:FGLVe.8104$SL.532561@twister.southeast.rr.com ... > Does anyone have any insight on if the new Honda's have any black boxes > (EDR - event data recorders) in them ? Specially the new Odyssey's. > Ref - http://www.forbes.com/columnists/for.../0811/084.html > > TIA !! > > |
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"Guy" <guysidkso@lycos.com> wrote in message news:OEYVe.833$2J3.23@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.. . >I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North America > today. > > I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. Why would the presence of this unit be upsetting to you? If you are involved in a collision, it has the power to remove all doubt about what your vehicle was doing prior to the collision. An onboard witness that can't be bought is a good thing. Brian |
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I am undecided its good or bad. First off, I want to know if the car has on
it. Second, where it is and what interface does it have etc ? What data does it store day ti day ? If all EDRs are good, why don't they advertise it as one more thing your call has. For now, I want to conclude via some website my car has it or not... All American cars do but not sure about all imports ? "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message news:NK_Ve.245013$tt5.178412@edtnps90... > > "Guy" <guysidkso@lycos.com> wrote in message > news:OEYVe.833$2J3.23@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.. . >>I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North >>America >> today. >> >> I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. > > Why would the presence of this unit be upsetting to you? If you are > involved in a collision, it has the power to remove all doubt about what > your vehicle was doing prior to the collision. An onboard witness that > can't be bought is a good thing. > > Brian > |
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"RA" <ronniea@REMOVEMEbigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:3c%Ve.6229$Jp.621055@twister.southeast.rr.com ... >I am undecided its good or bad. First off, I want to know if the car has on >it. Second, where it is and what interface does it have etc ? > What data does it store day ti day ? If all EDRs are good, why don't they > advertise it as one more thing your call has. > > For now, I want to conclude via some website my car has it or not... All > American cars do but not sure about all imports ? > My understanding is that it does not store data beyond a sliding window of several seconds. The data is kept in a circular buffer (it continuously overwrites the oldest data) which stops updating a moment after air bag deployment. They are the result of claims regarding wrongful deployment of air bags, and I believe they are usually integral with the air bag controller. The interface is proprietary. False air bag deployment is so dangerous that it needed to be documented whether the conditions warranted deployment, or if not, what could have caused the bag to deploy. Since air bags are mandatory, I think it's safe to assume every car made today and in recent years has one. Mike |
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 19:21:17 GMT, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > >"Guy" <guysidkso@lycos.com> wrote in message >news:OEYVe.833$2J3.23@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com. .. >>I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North America >> today. >> >> I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. > >Why would the presence of this unit be upsetting to you? If you are involved >in a collision, it has the power to remove all doubt about what your vehicle >was doing prior to the collision. An onboard witness that can't be bought is >a good thing. As long as the data in it is 100% accurate. There is a culture in most western nations to believe implicitly 'technological data' recorded in consumer machines. Everything from data recorders, to the number logs on fax machines (for instance, obviously the 'from' number can be easy to falsify, but the 'to' can be harder' > >Brian > |
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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
news:NK_Ve.245013$tt5.178412@edtnps90: > > "Guy" <guysidkso@lycos.com> wrote in message > news:OEYVe.833$2J3.23@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.. . >>I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North >>America >> today. >> >> I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. > > Why would the presence of this unit be upsetting to you? If you are > involved in a collision, it has the power to remove all doubt about > what your vehicle was doing prior to the collision. An onboard witness > that can't be bought is a good thing. > > Brian > > Because it's more likely to be used against you than to aid you. The laws regarding access to the data are not well-established yet.either. (privacy issues) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message news:h1chi1tege050n06k4vdj2slfsehdcoof8@4ax.com... > > As long as the data in it is 100% accurate. There is a culture in most > western nations to believe implicitly 'technological data' recorded in > consumer machines. Everything from data recorders, to the number logs > on fax machines (for instance, obviously the 'from' number can be easy > to falsify, but the 'to' can be harder' I drive tractor trailer for a living. Our trucks have company installed onboard recorders. They record every thing the truck does through the run, engine speed, road speed, distance travelled, overspeed of the engine the time of day that every happens, the number of stops and where we stopped and for how long. While some people say this is an infringement on their personal privacy, I look at it as being the same as driving with the boss or a police officer in the cab with me. If they were there, they would see the same things, but not as accurately as the computer recorder does and if a person calls the company and says that I was speeding along a stretch of road at a certain time, it can verify that it was or wasn't me. The same thing applies if the truck was involved in a collision. Brian |
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:01:44 GMT, "Brian Smith"
<Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote: > >"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message >news:h1chi1tege050n06k4vdj2slfsehdcoof8@4ax.com.. . >> >> As long as the data in it is 100% accurate. There is a culture in most >> western nations to believe implicitly 'technological data' recorded in >> consumer machines. Everything from data recorders, to the number logs >> on fax machines (for instance, obviously the 'from' number can be easy >> to falsify, but the 'to' can be harder' > >I drive tractor trailer for a living. Our trucks have company installed >onboard recorders. They record every thing the truck does through the run, >engine speed, road speed, distance travelled, overspeed of the engine the >time of day that every happens, the number of stops and where we stopped and >for how long. While some people say this is an infringement on their >personal privacy, I look at it as being the same as driving with the boss or >a police officer in the cab with me. If they were there, they would see the >same things, but not as accurately as the computer recorder does and if a >person calls the company and says that I was speeding along a stretch of >road at a certain time, it can verify that it was or wasn't me. The same >thing applies if the truck was involved in a collision. Yeah, such tachographs are required by law in much of europe, and in the UK, a police officer can equest to see your tachographs for the previous (I think don't know) 24 hours > >Brian > |
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Jim Yanik <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message news:Xns96D1CAE0E110Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86.. . > "Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in > news:NK_Ve.245013$tt5.178412@edtnps90: > > > > > "Guy" <guysidkso@lycos.com> wrote in message > > news:OEYVe.833$2J3.23@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com.. . > >>I thought this device is installed on all makes and models in North > >>America > >> today. > >> > >> I am pretty upset about this device in my car also. > > > > Why would the presence of this unit be upsetting to you? If you are > > involved in a collision, it has the power to remove all doubt about > > what your vehicle was doing prior to the collision. An onboard witness > > that can't be bought is a good thing. > > > > Brian > > > > > > Because it's more likely to be used against you than to aid you. > The laws regarding access to the data are not well-established yet.either. > (privacy issues) > I tend to agree with Jim much of time, but on this I agree with Brian. I drive a school bus with a tach, and I frive right. If there's ever a question as to whether I was speeding (or even driving) at given time, I'm covered. I fail to see how a black box could be used to your disadvantage if you drive within legal limits. Of course, if you routinely break the law, you have three potential problems: Cops, the blackbox, and an accident. (Incidentally, my training says for every 300 violations, there are 29 accidents, and 1 fatality.) |
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jim beam <nospam@example.net> wrote in news:oYidnS8k_OLrB7reRVn-
qw@speakeasy.net: > RA wrote: >> Does anyone have any insight on if the new Honda's have any black boxes >> (EDR - event data recorders) in them ? Specially the new Odyssey's. >> Ref - http://www.forbes.com/columnists/for.../0811/084.html >> >> TIA !! >> >> > all modern fuel injected cars have them. what question do you want > answered? > Actually, it's a fairly modern thing, and quite separate from the ECM that all EFI cars have. This particular black box keeps track of things like: Maximum speeds the car's operated at; Maximum RPM the engine was operated at; Maximum g-loading in corners or upon impact, and the direction of that loading; Whether seat belts are being worn; Etc. The tattle-boxes can do this in real-time, too. Much of the impetus for these things is liability legislation, which exposes manufacturers to considerable risk of huge punitive awards. It also comes in handy for warranty claims, too. If you blow your engine because you missed a shift into 5th at 84 mph, the black box will record the rpm as 9,500 at the moment of destruction, and your warranty claim will be denied on account of abuse. Absent the black box, they would have no way of knowing for sure how fast the motor was turning, and would probably have honored the claim. This last anecdote actually happened to very recently to Toyota, with an owner's new Celica. http://tinyurl.com/d2fpf Look at David's very first message on Aug12, then scroll down to the first message from Philip on Aug13. Frankly, I don't like the data recorders either. But there's really nobody to blame for them except the goverment and legal activists. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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"flobert" <nomail@here.NOT> wrote in message news:anfhi11j4b5q2n6nge7shrbdqud3d25s4a@4ax.com... > > Yeah, such tachographs are required by law in much of europe, and in > the UK, a police officer can equest to see your tachographs for the > previous (I think don't know) 24 hours We used to use tachographs here too. These are easier to use and harder to fool, the tachographs could be fooled by inserting the graph paper in backwards or putting a slight bend in the writing tip. The computer can't be read at the side of the road, it has to be downloaded at our Distribution Centre. Brian |
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message news:Xns96D1CAE0E110Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86.. . > > Because it's more likely to be used against you than to aid you. > The laws regarding access to the data are not well-established yet.either. > (privacy issues) It would be difficult to use it against you, if you were operating your vehicle within the laws of the road and with due care for the weather and traffic conditions. Brian |
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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in
news:xLdWe.231813$9A2.115119@edtnps89: > > "Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov.> wrote in message > news:Xns96D1CAE0E110Ajyanikkuanet@129.250.170.86.. . >> >> Because it's more likely to be used against you than to aid you. >> The laws regarding access to the data are not well-established >> yet.either. (privacy issues) > > It would be difficult to use it against you, if you were operating > your vehicle within the laws of the road and with due care for the > weather and traffic conditions. > > Brian > > > > I speed;so what? I do it where it's prudent,and police and politicians speed,too,A lot faster than I do. Politicians alone have harmed more people driving than I have. I believe we do not need more "Big Brother" monitoring devices. IMO,police could(and should) toss out their radar and laser guns,and concentrate on violations that really make a difference in driving safety,like RLrunning,reckless driving,improper lane changes,KRETP and STKR. But they "enforce" where the easy money is,and where it has little effect on traffic safety. -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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