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Re: brake problems
l390f wrote:
> Fact remains, 0 rear brakes means the front do 100%. that additional > 25-40% extra heat on the front rotors caused massive overheating. that may be what you believe, but that belief is not based on sufficient information. > Btdt got > the tea shirt. > > Might not be common, but in my case it was the cause. with respect, the temperature reached by disks, even in extreme use, is nowhere /near/ that necessary to actually warp. you can race an integra on standard 10.25" disks no problem, and those things get HOT. > > Wheel bolt torque has nothing to do with brake warping either, not true. the hub on hondas is very lightweight - it elastically distorts if torque is not even. > Drove a car > for almost 2 years with 3 out of 4 lug nuts installed (didnt know it was > missing) 2 years without inspection??? that's truly bizarre. > never had a brake problem on that car. Rust underneath the > rotor/hub flange is a different story however, very frequent problem in the > NW. > > > "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:-Iqdnccd1JAjSibYnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> afd wrote: >>> Rear brakes that are not working properly will cause the front rotors to >>> warp in a hurry. Had the rotors replaced/resurfaced 4 times, problem >>> kept coming back every 1500 miles. The cause was the rear brakes were >>> not working at all. >> whoever told you that was blowing smoke. rear brakes hardly work at all >> under hard braking - that's what the proportioning valve is for. potting >> around town won't warp your disks. >> >> >>> "kp23" <none@000.com> wrote in message >>> news:966619_07eea04c965a3b5ffd2dd5035319f90c@autob oardz.com... >>>> I drive a 1991 Honda Accord LX and i have had to have the rotors >>>> replaced or turned almost every year since I've owned the car (5 >>>> years). Is this normal or is something else causing this? It is hard >>>> to believe that my rotors are warped this much. The vibrating now is >>>> usually while driving and then worsens when i brake. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Posted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface >>>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to contact >>>> author/report abuse >>>> Thread archive: >>>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/brake-prob...ict204004.html >>>> > |
Re: brake problems
It could be that Im describing Warped incorrectly. What I should be saying
is that the uneven brake pedal pulsing went away when the rear brakes were repaired. IE the adjusters for the rear drums were r&r such that the rear shoes starting to work. It may have been "warping" the rotors in the front or there was uneven pad material transfer to the rotors. BTW the article from http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm helped me change my terminology a bit. "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:KoadnVHSe85zglvYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > l390f wrote: >> Fact remains, 0 rear brakes means the front do 100%. that additional >> 25-40% extra heat on the front rotors caused massive overheating. > > that may be what you believe, but that belief is not based on sufficient > information. > >> Btdt got the tea shirt. >> >> Might not be common, but in my case it was the cause. > > with respect, the temperature reached by disks, even in extreme use, is > nowhere /near/ that necessary to actually warp. you can race an integra > on standard 10.25" disks no problem, and those things get HOT. > >> >> Wheel bolt torque has nothing to do with brake warping either, > > not true. the hub on hondas is very lightweight - it elastically distorts > if torque is not even. > >> Drove a car for almost 2 years with 3 out of 4 lug nuts installed >> (didnt know it was missing) > > 2 years without inspection??? that's truly bizarre. > >> never had a brake problem on that car. Rust underneath the rotor/hub >> flange is a different story however, very frequent problem in the NW. >> >> >> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:-Iqdnccd1JAjSibYnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> afd wrote: >>>> Rear brakes that are not working properly will cause the front rotors >>>> to warp in a hurry. Had the rotors replaced/resurfaced 4 times, >>>> problem kept coming back every 1500 miles. The cause was the rear >>>> brakes were not working at all. >>> whoever told you that was blowing smoke. rear brakes hardly work at all >>> under hard braking - that's what the proportioning valve is for. potting >>> around town won't warp your disks. >>> >>> >>>> "kp23" <none@000.com> wrote in message >>>> news:966619_07eea04c965a3b5ffd2dd5035319f90c@autob oardz.com... >>>>> I drive a 1991 Honda Accord LX and i have had to have the rotors >>>>> replaced or turned almost every year since I've owned the car (5 >>>>> years). Is this normal or is something else causing this? It is hard >>>>> to believe that my rotors are warped this much. The vibrating now is >>>>> usually while driving and then worsens when i brake. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Posted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface >>>>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to >>>>> contact author/report abuse >>>>> Thread archive: >>>>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/brake-prob...ict204004.html >>>>> >> |
Re: brake problems
It could be that Im describing Warped incorrectly. What I should be saying
is that the uneven brake pedal pulsing went away when the rear brakes were repaired. IE the adjusters for the rear drums were r&r such that the rear shoes starting to work. It may have been "warping" the rotors in the front or there was uneven pad material transfer to the rotors. BTW the article from http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm helped me change my terminology a bit. "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:KoadnVHSe85zglvYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > l390f wrote: >> Fact remains, 0 rear brakes means the front do 100%. that additional >> 25-40% extra heat on the front rotors caused massive overheating. > > that may be what you believe, but that belief is not based on sufficient > information. > >> Btdt got the tea shirt. >> >> Might not be common, but in my case it was the cause. > > with respect, the temperature reached by disks, even in extreme use, is > nowhere /near/ that necessary to actually warp. you can race an integra > on standard 10.25" disks no problem, and those things get HOT. > >> >> Wheel bolt torque has nothing to do with brake warping either, > > not true. the hub on hondas is very lightweight - it elastically distorts > if torque is not even. > >> Drove a car for almost 2 years with 3 out of 4 lug nuts installed >> (didnt know it was missing) > > 2 years without inspection??? that's truly bizarre. > >> never had a brake problem on that car. Rust underneath the rotor/hub >> flange is a different story however, very frequent problem in the NW. >> >> >> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:-Iqdnccd1JAjSibYnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> afd wrote: >>>> Rear brakes that are not working properly will cause the front rotors >>>> to warp in a hurry. Had the rotors replaced/resurfaced 4 times, >>>> problem kept coming back every 1500 miles. The cause was the rear >>>> brakes were not working at all. >>> whoever told you that was blowing smoke. rear brakes hardly work at all >>> under hard braking - that's what the proportioning valve is for. potting >>> around town won't warp your disks. >>> >>> >>>> "kp23" <none@000.com> wrote in message >>>> news:966619_07eea04c965a3b5ffd2dd5035319f90c@autob oardz.com... >>>>> I drive a 1991 Honda Accord LX and i have had to have the rotors >>>>> replaced or turned almost every year since I've owned the car (5 >>>>> years). Is this normal or is something else causing this? It is hard >>>>> to believe that my rotors are warped this much. The vibrating now is >>>>> usually while driving and then worsens when i brake. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Posted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface >>>>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to >>>>> contact author/report abuse >>>>> Thread archive: >>>>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/brake-prob...ict204004.html >>>>> >> |
Re: brake problems
It could be that Im describing Warped incorrectly. What I should be saying
is that the uneven brake pedal pulsing went away when the rear brakes were repaired. IE the adjusters for the rear drums were r&r such that the rear shoes starting to work. It may have been "warping" the rotors in the front or there was uneven pad material transfer to the rotors. BTW the article from http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm helped me change my terminology a bit. "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:KoadnVHSe85zglvYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > l390f wrote: >> Fact remains, 0 rear brakes means the front do 100%. that additional >> 25-40% extra heat on the front rotors caused massive overheating. > > that may be what you believe, but that belief is not based on sufficient > information. > >> Btdt got the tea shirt. >> >> Might not be common, but in my case it was the cause. > > with respect, the temperature reached by disks, even in extreme use, is > nowhere /near/ that necessary to actually warp. you can race an integra > on standard 10.25" disks no problem, and those things get HOT. > >> >> Wheel bolt torque has nothing to do with brake warping either, > > not true. the hub on hondas is very lightweight - it elastically distorts > if torque is not even. > >> Drove a car for almost 2 years with 3 out of 4 lug nuts installed >> (didnt know it was missing) > > 2 years without inspection??? that's truly bizarre. > >> never had a brake problem on that car. Rust underneath the rotor/hub >> flange is a different story however, very frequent problem in the NW. >> >> >> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:-Iqdnccd1JAjSibYnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> afd wrote: >>>> Rear brakes that are not working properly will cause the front rotors >>>> to warp in a hurry. Had the rotors replaced/resurfaced 4 times, >>>> problem kept coming back every 1500 miles. The cause was the rear >>>> brakes were not working at all. >>> whoever told you that was blowing smoke. rear brakes hardly work at all >>> under hard braking - that's what the proportioning valve is for. potting >>> around town won't warp your disks. >>> >>> >>>> "kp23" <none@000.com> wrote in message >>>> news:966619_07eea04c965a3b5ffd2dd5035319f90c@autob oardz.com... >>>>> I drive a 1991 Honda Accord LX and i have had to have the rotors >>>>> replaced or turned almost every year since I've owned the car (5 >>>>> years). Is this normal or is something else causing this? It is hard >>>>> to believe that my rotors are warped this much. The vibrating now is >>>>> usually while driving and then worsens when i brake. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Posted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface >>>>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to >>>>> contact author/report abuse >>>>> Thread archive: >>>>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/brake-prob...ict204004.html >>>>> >> |
Re: brake problems
It could be that Im describing Warped incorrectly. What I should be saying
is that the uneven brake pedal pulsing went away when the rear brakes were repaired. IE the adjusters for the rear drums were r&r such that the rear shoes starting to work. It may have been "warping" the rotors in the front or there was uneven pad material transfer to the rotors. BTW the article from http://www.babcox.com/editorial/bf/bf100326.htm helped me change my terminology a bit. "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:KoadnVHSe85zglvYnZ2dnUVZ_sGqnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > l390f wrote: >> Fact remains, 0 rear brakes means the front do 100%. that additional >> 25-40% extra heat on the front rotors caused massive overheating. > > that may be what you believe, but that belief is not based on sufficient > information. > >> Btdt got the tea shirt. >> >> Might not be common, but in my case it was the cause. > > with respect, the temperature reached by disks, even in extreme use, is > nowhere /near/ that necessary to actually warp. you can race an integra > on standard 10.25" disks no problem, and those things get HOT. > >> >> Wheel bolt torque has nothing to do with brake warping either, > > not true. the hub on hondas is very lightweight - it elastically distorts > if torque is not even. > >> Drove a car for almost 2 years with 3 out of 4 lug nuts installed >> (didnt know it was missing) > > 2 years without inspection??? that's truly bizarre. > >> never had a brake problem on that car. Rust underneath the rotor/hub >> flange is a different story however, very frequent problem in the NW. >> >> >> "jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:-Iqdnccd1JAjSibYnZ2dnUVZ_hninZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> afd wrote: >>>> Rear brakes that are not working properly will cause the front rotors >>>> to warp in a hurry. Had the rotors replaced/resurfaced 4 times, >>>> problem kept coming back every 1500 miles. The cause was the rear >>>> brakes were not working at all. >>> whoever told you that was blowing smoke. rear brakes hardly work at all >>> under hard braking - that's what the proportioning valve is for. potting >>> around town won't warp your disks. >>> >>> >>>> "kp23" <none@000.com> wrote in message >>>> news:966619_07eea04c965a3b5ffd2dd5035319f90c@autob oardz.com... >>>>> I drive a 1991 Honda Accord LX and i have had to have the rotors >>>>> replaced or turned almost every year since I've owned the car (5 >>>>> years). Is this normal or is something else causing this? It is hard >>>>> to believe that my rotors are warped this much. The vibrating now is >>>>> usually while driving and then worsens when i brake. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Posted at author's request, using http://www.AutoBoardz.com interface >>>>> Articles individually verified to usenet standards. Visit URL to >>>>> contact author/report abuse >>>>> Thread archive: >>>>> http://www.AutoBoardz.com/brake-prob...ict204004.html >>>>> >> |
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