Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
Hi, My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt has never been replaced. I admit I haven't researched much yet, but while I never did this job, I've got a full set of the usual tools and have done a lot of work on my domestic and Foriegn cars over the last 30 years.....the question being....for a mechanically inclined guy with the usual tools, is this a job that's reasonable. Yeah, I relize that not careful aligning/making timing marks will trash the valves etc. Still, I've seen labor coasts in the $125-175.00 range...which (with today's crazy dealer pricing) means to me that perahps this job isn't all that tough if one takes time and care??? Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) that outlines the job? Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since the belt has to be pulled to do that job. THANKS FOR ANY HELP/IDEAS/COMMENTS |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
"seeker" <seeker@myplace.com> wrote
> My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt > has never been replaced. I don't want to scare you, but wasn't this due at 60k miles/5 years, whichever comes first? The site below says yes. I admit I haven't researched much yet, but > while I never did this job, I've got a full set of the usual tools and > have done a lot of work on my domestic and Foriegn cars over the last > 30 years.....the question being....for a mechanically inclined guy > with the usual tools, is this a job that's reasonable. > > Yeah, I relize that not careful aligning/making timing marks will > trash the valves etc. Still, I've seen labor coasts in the > $125-175.00 range... Did a dealer give you this quote? It sounds awfully cheap. I own a 1991 Civic. In 1997, the first, 90k mile timing belt change cost me $160 at a Japanese imports shop. (Not sure if I had the water pump replaced then. I think I did.) I had a water pump failure in 2001 at 120k miles (I suspect not using Honda Coolant contributed mightily), and replacing this along with the timing belt ran me around $250 at another independent shop. Now maybe the 1999 Civic design is way different, but if it is, I'd be surprised. > which (with today's crazy dealer pricing) means to > me that perahps this job isn't all that tough if one takes time and > care??? > > Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > that outlines the job? You can go to many public libraries and get a Chilton's or Haynes manual that outlines the job for your Honda. Or maybe take a look at http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/CivicManual/index.html for 1995-1997 Civics. Click on "cylinder head/valve train," then "timing belt" for instructions on replacing it. > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > > > THANKS FOR ANY HELP/IDEAS/COMMENTS I'd offer at least two more sites with photos and hints that talk about replacing timing belts as a DIY job, but they're for early 1990s Hondas, so I hesitate. |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
seeker wrote:
> Hi, > > My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt > has never been replaced. I admit I haven't researched much yet, but > while I never did this job, I've got a full set of the usual tools and > have done a lot of work on my domestic and Foriegn cars over the last > 30 years.....the question being....for a mechanically inclined guy > with the usual tools, is this a job that's reasonable. > > Yeah, I relize that not careful aligning/making timing marks will > trash the valves etc. Still, I've seen labor coasts in the > $125-175.00 range...which (with today's crazy dealer pricing) means to > me that perahps this job isn't all that tough if one takes time and > care??? > > Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > that outlines the job? > > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > > > THANKS FOR ANY HELP/IDEAS/COMMENTS +++++++++++++++ Things to be ready for: You might need a 17 mm deep socket for the left motor mount. How are you going to steady the crankshaft pulley to remove the bolt? (find / build a tool ahead of time) If you change the pump, have to right coolant on hand, plus distilled water for diluting, let both wheels hang down to allow lower timing belt cover to get past the suspension. I'll post if I think of more. 'Curly' |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
seeker wrote:
> Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > that outlines the job? > > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > The best manuals for Hondas are the Helminc ones (http://www.helminc.com). They are more expensive, but well worth it. If you buy one of the cheap ones (Haynes, etc), you will run into problems, because they are very poorly written and the pictures are not very helpfull. You should always replace the water pump as well, exactly because the timing belt is off. It may not fail soon, but if it does, you'll have to take everything apart again. Cosmin |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
its easy, it should take you about 2 hours. you might as well replace the
drive belts, the front engine seal, cam seal, and water pump while your there. oem parts of course. aligning the marks is easy. first you take off the valve cover. loosen and remove all 3 belts. move the p.s. pump out of the way. remove the upper timing belt cover. its a good idea to set your engine to top dead center at this time. remove the underdrive pulley, (a.k.a. crank pulley) it might be tough to break loose. a good impact gun might help. then remove the motor mount bracket. you cant get the t-belt off unless you remove it. then remove the lower timing belt cover. loosen but do not remove the timing belt tensioner unless is needs to be replaced. the belt will slip off. if your seals are not leaking, its up to you if you want to change them. then remove the 5 10mm bolts on the water pump and replace with oem Honda parts. then slip your new t-belt making sure the timing marks line up.do not tighten the tensioner yet. now, once you know you got the marks lined up, place and tighten your lower t-belt cover and underdrive pulley. with a breaker bar, a long extension, and a 19mm socket apply pressure in a counterclockwise direction on the underdrive pulley bolt to where you almost turn the engine. you'll see the t-belt gain tension. while holding this slight pressure, tighten the 14mm tensioner bolt through the hole in the lower t-belt cover and your t-belt tension is set. then place everything else back on. if your looking to buy cheap oem Honda parts look at http://www.inlinefour.com/genhonpar.html good luck. "Cosmin N." <no@email.com> wrote in message news:p6uvc.1656$Wg.970@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.r ogers.com... > seeker wrote: > > > Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > > that outlines the job? > > > > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > > > > The best manuals for Hondas are the Helminc ones > (http://www.helminc.com). They are more expensive, but well worth it. If > you buy one of the cheap ones (Haynes, etc), you will run into problems, > because they are very poorly written and the pictures are not very > helpfull. > > You should always replace the water pump as well, exactly because the > timing belt is off. It may not fail soon, but if it does, you'll have to > take everything apart again. > > Cosmin |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
seeker wrote:
> Hi, > > My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt > has never been replaced. I admit I haven't researched much yet, but > while I never did this job, I've got a full set of the usual tools and > have done a lot of work on my domestic and Foriegn cars over the last > 30 years.....the question being....for a mechanically inclined guy > with the usual tools, is this a job that's reasonable. > > Yeah, I relize that not careful aligning/making timing marks will > trash the valves etc. Still, I've seen labor coasts in the > $125-175.00 range...which (with today's crazy dealer pricing) means to > me that perahps this job isn't all that tough if one takes time and > care??? > > Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > that outlines the job? > > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > > > THANKS FOR ANY HELP/IDEAS/COMMENTS ====================== To do it yourself, if you haven't done one recently, and without a hoist or air tools, I'd allow 4-5 hours unless you're a totally organized person with all the right tools. Another suggestion... some say you should change a couple of the seals while you're in there. You might want to study up on that ahead of time too. You could also check the valve adjustment while it's open too. 'Curly' ================ |
Oil Leaks [Was Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??]
"Lex" <aacevedo4@elp.rr.com> wrote
> its easy, it should take you about 2 hours. you might as well replace the > drive belts, the front engine seal, cam seal, and water pump while your > there. Lex or anyone, for a 1991 Civic: -- Is the front engine seal item 25 at http://tinyurl.com/38ngp (Majestic site, cylinder block)? -- Is the cam seal item 20 at http://tinyurl.com/2722u (Majestic site, camshaft-timing belt)? Seems obvious but I haven't put my hands on either of these yet, so I want to double check. Oil is leaking very slowly from my car such that about a drop accumulates at the outside bottom of the lower timing belt cover after each short trip I take. I'm not sweating it, based on what I read in the Google archive for this group, and because it's indetectable when I check my oil about once a week. Still, I'm thinking of moving up my timing belt replacement so as to replace these seals. Or maybe I'll just replace the seals themselves, if the belt appears okay. (The belt is not due for a few more years and tens of thousands of miles.) I'm going to replace the oil pan gasket soon, just to eliminate it as a possible source of the leak(s), and also because I drove with a clogged PCV valve for some time (years, 10k+ miles, I estimate) and suspect this did not help the seals. |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
My seals and oil pan gasket were leaking. About a month ago, I did the
belts, seals, pump, gaskets and valve adjustment. It is dry now. A while back, the oil pressure sender switch was leaking, but it dripped down the oil filter. '92 Accord. bob |
Re: Oil Leaks [Was Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??]
item 25 is the rear main seal, item 20 is the cam seal.
"Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:JUIvc.338$uX2.189@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net... > "Lex" <aacevedo4@elp.rr.com> wrote > > its easy, it should take you about 2 hours. you might as well replace the > > drive belts, the front engine seal, cam seal, and water pump while your > > there. > > Lex or anyone, for a 1991 Civic: > > -- Is the front engine seal item 25 at http://tinyurl.com/38ngp (Majestic site, > cylinder block)? > > -- Is the cam seal item 20 at http://tinyurl.com/2722u (Majestic site, > camshaft-timing belt)? > > Seems obvious but I haven't put my hands on either of these yet, so I want to > double check. > > Oil is leaking very slowly from my car such that about a drop accumulates at the > outside bottom of the lower timing belt cover after each short trip I take. I'm > not sweating it, based on what I read in the Google archive for this group, and > because it's indetectable when I check my oil about once a week. Still, I'm > thinking of moving up my timing belt replacement so as to replace these seals. > Or maybe I'll just replace the seals themselves, if the belt appears okay. (The > belt is not due for a few more years and tens of thousands of miles.) > > I'm going to replace the oil pan gasket soon, just to eliminate it as a possible > source of the leak(s), and also because I drove with a clogged PCV valve for > some time (years, 10k+ miles, I estimate) and suspect this did not help the > seals. > > |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
the t-belt water pump isn't recommended until 90k miles.
"Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:r6tvc.19576$Tn6.998@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net... > "seeker" <seeker@myplace.com> wrote > > My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt > > has never been replaced. > > I don't want to scare you, but wasn't this due at 60k miles/5 years, whichever > comes first? > > The site below says yes. > > I admit I haven't researched much yet, but > > while I never did this job, I've got a full set of the usual tools and > > have done a lot of work on my domestic and Foriegn cars over the last > > 30 years.....the question being....for a mechanically inclined guy > > with the usual tools, is this a job that's reasonable. > > > > Yeah, I relize that not careful aligning/making timing marks will > > trash the valves etc. Still, I've seen labor coasts in the > > $125-175.00 range... > > Did a dealer give you this quote? It sounds awfully cheap. I own a 1991 Civic. > In 1997, the first, 90k mile timing belt change cost me $160 at a Japanese > imports shop. (Not sure if I had the water pump replaced then. I think I did.) I > had a water pump failure in 2001 at 120k miles (I suspect not using Honda > Coolant contributed mightily), and replacing this along with the timing belt ran > me around $250 at another independent shop. > > Now maybe the 1999 Civic design is way different, but if it is, I'd be > surprised. > > > which (with today's crazy dealer pricing) means to > > me that perahps this job isn't all that tough if one takes time and > > care??? > > > > Comments? What's a good manual (I'd rather not buy the Honda manual) > > that outlines the job? > > You can go to many public libraries and get a Chilton's or Haynes manual that > outlines the job for your Honda. > > Or maybe take a look at http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/CivicManual/index.html for > 1995-1997 Civics. Click on "cylinder head/valve train," then "timing belt" for > instructions on replacing it. > > > Also, I've heard the replacing the water pump mighht be wise, since > > the belt has to be pulled to do that job. > > > > > > THANKS FOR ANY HELP/IDEAS/COMMENTS > > I'd offer at least two more sites with photos and hints that talk about > replacing timing belts as a DIY job, but they're for early 1990s Hondas, so I > hesitate. > > |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??
I checked the American Honda site. For a 99 Civic Sedan for severe service, it's
60k miles/4 years. Otherwise, it's 105k miles and 7 years. It advises: Follow the "severe" schedule only if you drive in one or more of these conditions most of the time: Trips of less than 5 miles (less than 10 in freezing weather) Extremely hot weather (over 90 degrees F) Extensive idling or stop-and-go driving Trailer towing, car-top carrier, or mountain driving Muddy, dusty, or de-iced roads Ideally, I'd go by the owner's manual. Thanks for the info about the oil seals. "Lex" <aacevedo4@elp.rr.com> wrote > the t-belt water pump isn't recommended until 90k miles. > "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote > > "seeker" <seeker@myplace.com> wrote > > > My daughter's perfectly running 1999 Civic has 87K miles, but the belt > > > has never been replaced. > > > > I don't want to scare you, but wasn't this due at 60k miles/5 years, > whichever > > comes first? > > > > The site below says yes. snip > http://www.honda.co.uk/owner/CivicManual/index.html for > > 1995-1997 Civics. Click on "cylinder head/valve train," then "timing belt" > for > > instructions on replacing it. |
Re: Changing 99 Civic Oil filter?
Hi,
My daughter has a '99 Civic (USA that's go about 90K miles....she's 400 miles away, and based on the crazy prices for service she's been quoted, I'm just going to visit and change belts/hoses/plugs/belts etc. I've got the usual tools + ramps, hyd jacks and 30 years backyard mechanic experience. I know that some cars (transverse 4 cyl) have the oil filter really buried so you've almost got to have a lift. How's the 99 Civic....reasonably easy to access??? Plus, any other suggestions beased on expereience about "must change" parts would be quite helpful. I'm pondering changing the timing belt vs. dealer...but waiting for some qoutes! My labor comes 'cheap' but it makes no sense to work and struggle 8 hours to save $150 US$ or so, Thanks for any help...in the past you guys have been very helpful. Seeker |
Re: Oil Leaks [Was Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??]
How do you check for a clogged PCV valve?
"Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:JUIvc.338$uX2.189@newsread2.news.pas.earthlin k.net... > "Lex" <aacevedo4@elp.rr.com> wrote > snip > I'm going to replace the oil pan gasket soon, just to eliminate it as a possible > source of the leak(s), and also because I drove with a clogged PCV valve for > some time (years, 10k+ miles, I estimate) and suspect this did not help the > seals. > > How do you check for a clogged PCV valve? Just try to blow through it? |
Re: Oil Leaks [Was Re: Changing 99 Civic Timing Belt - Tough??]
"pjohnson" <news@thejohnsonabode.com> wrote
> "Caroline" <caroline10027remove@earthlink.net> wrote in > > I'm going to replace the oil pan gasket soon, just to eliminate it as a > possible > > source of the leak(s), and also because I drove with a clogged PCV valve > for > > some time (years, 10k+ miles, I estimate) and suspect this did not help > the > > seals. > > > > > How do you check for a clogged PCV valve? Just try to blow through it? Your 95 Accord Wagon's PCV valve is pictured at http://tinyurl.com/39r2u (item1, Majestic auto parts site). www.autozone.com has the full directions for checking and, if necessary, replacing the PCV valve. It also has drawings and photos of the steps to take. Access to the site is free. Follow the pointers to input your car's info, then click on "Repair Guides," "Emissions Controls," then "positive crankcase ventilation" (or similar link names). From the site: --- The PCV valve is easily checked with the engine running at normal idle speed (warmed up). Gently pinch the hose shut, then release it; the valve should click. If there is no click, check for plugged hoses or ports. If these are open, the valve is faulty. With the engine OFF, remove the valve from the engine. Shake it, listening for the rattle of the plunger inside the valve. If no rattle is heard, the plunger is jammed (probably with oil sludge) and should be replaced. Never operate the engine without the PCV valve or with the hose blocked. Don't blow directly into the valve in an effort to free the plunger; petroleum vapors and deposits within the valve are harmful. --- I have found that I have to hold the hose pinched for like 20 seconds before I hear the click. |
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