jorg

hey all,

just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:

i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
injector cleaning fluid ...
i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..

Bill B. Johnson

In article <_zb9b.888$mv6.113169@news20.bellglobal.com>, "jorg"
<raven@wrath.com> wrote:

> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..

That does not suprise me. You should not calculate your gas mileage when
products like injector cleaning fluid are mixed with the gas. Your vehicle
is burning gas and the injector cleaning fluid with means you are using
less gas than normal.

Bill B. Johnson

In article <_zb9b.888$mv6.113169@news20.bellglobal.com>, "jorg"
<raven@wrath.com> wrote:

> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..

That does not suprise me. You should not calculate your gas mileage when
products like injector cleaning fluid are mixed with the gas. Your vehicle
is burning gas and the injector cleaning fluid with means you are using
less gas than normal.

Bill B. Johnson

In article <_zb9b.888$mv6.113169@news20.bellglobal.com>, "jorg"
<raven@wrath.com> wrote:

> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..

That does not suprise me. You should not calculate your gas mileage when
products like injector cleaning fluid are mixed with the gas. Your vehicle
is burning gas and the injector cleaning fluid with means you are using
less gas than normal.

'Curly Q. Links'

jorg wrote:
>
> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
-------------------------------
Jorg,

That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.

I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
graphics.

Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
have too.

Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.

If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.

'Curly'

---------------------------------------------

'Curly Q. Links'

jorg wrote:
>
> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
-------------------------------
Jorg,

That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.

I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
graphics.

Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
have too.

Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.

If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.

'Curly'

---------------------------------------------

'Curly Q. Links'

jorg wrote:
>
> hey all,
>
> just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
>
> i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and now
> i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> injector cleaning fluid ...
> i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a mechanic
> really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
-------------------------------
Jorg,

That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.

I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
graphics.

Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
have too.

Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.

If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.

'Curly'

---------------------------------------------

jorg

Hey,
thanks for the detailed reply...
well, it seems like it did make a big difference, having the injector fluid
in and all that...
( come to think of it, last time i changed the oil the guy at Walmart
reassured me they cleaned the injector
but it made no freaking difference, i probably got ripped off, heheh )...
well, i live in Quebec so it's definitely not the right part of Canada (
just kidding ), but i travel to Toronto way too often these days, gotta
maintain that damn civic..

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:3F6CB8A2.978AD0E@_interbaun.com...
> jorg wrote:
> >
> > hey all,
> >
> > just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
> >
> > i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and
now
> > i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> > injector cleaning fluid ...
> > i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a
mechanic
> > really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
> -------------------------------
> Jorg,
>
> That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
> fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
> nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
> rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
> of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
> have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.
>
> I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
> graphics.
>
> Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
> this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
> needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
> symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
> temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
> the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
> fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
> time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
> seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
> have too.
>
> Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
> cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
> night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.
>
> If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
> ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
> while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
> injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.
>
> 'Curly'
>
> ---------------------------------------------

jorg

Hey,
thanks for the detailed reply...
well, it seems like it did make a big difference, having the injector fluid
in and all that...
( come to think of it, last time i changed the oil the guy at Walmart
reassured me they cleaned the injector
but it made no freaking difference, i probably got ripped off, heheh )...
well, i live in Quebec so it's definitely not the right part of Canada (
just kidding ), but i travel to Toronto way too often these days, gotta
maintain that damn civic..

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:3F6CB8A2.978AD0E@_interbaun.com...
> jorg wrote:
> >
> > hey all,
> >
> > just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
> >
> > i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and
now
> > i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> > injector cleaning fluid ...
> > i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a
mechanic
> > really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
> -------------------------------
> Jorg,
>
> That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
> fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
> nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
> rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
> of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
> have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.
>
> I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
> graphics.
>
> Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
> this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
> needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
> symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
> temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
> the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
> fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
> time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
> seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
> have too.
>
> Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
> cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
> night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.
>
> If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
> ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
> while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
> injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.
>
> 'Curly'
>
> ---------------------------------------------

jorg

Hey,
thanks for the detailed reply...
well, it seems like it did make a big difference, having the injector fluid
in and all that...
( come to think of it, last time i changed the oil the guy at Walmart
reassured me they cleaned the injector
but it made no freaking difference, i probably got ripped off, heheh )...
well, i live in Quebec so it's definitely not the right part of Canada (
just kidding ), but i travel to Toronto way too often these days, gotta
maintain that damn civic..

"'Curly Q. Links'" <motsco_@_interbaun.com> wrote in message
news:3F6CB8A2.978AD0E@_interbaun.com...
> jorg wrote:
> >
> > hey all,
> >
> > just wondering if any of you have noticed something similar:
> >
> > i seem to be getting better gas mileage ( i was getting 10 l / 100km and
now
> > i'm getting around 7.5-8.0 l / 100km, both on highway ) after adding
> > injector cleaning fluid ...
> > i'm wondering if that's what made the difference... hmm i'm not a
mechanic
> > really so... the car is a civic 99... just broke 50000km on it..
> -------------------------------
> Jorg,
>
> That's not too surprising. The injector has to spray an exact amount of
> fuel for a few miliseconds, in a certain pattern, like your shower
> nozzle in the bath. If it won't open and close smoothly, or if it drips
> rather than delivering a perfectly metered blast of fuel, the effeciency
> of that cylinder drops off, sometimes worse at the higher revs. Yopu may
> have been driving a three-cylinder engine and not known it.
>
> I'm sure there are some GREAT web sites that explain injectors with
> graphics.
>
> Gummed up injectors can cause other problems that have been covered in
> this group, like finding your engine 'flooded' in the morning, and
> needing to hold the gas pedal down to get the engine to fire. The
> symptoms would seem to point to a bad main relay, but they aren't at all
> temperature related. The actual cause is an injector sticking open when
> the engine is shut off, and so the remaining pressure pumps a bunch of
> fuel into one cylinder until it's used up. Next morning, if you take the
> time to listen to the fuel pump, you'll hear it run for three or four
> seconds because it has to pressurize itself much longer than it should
> have too.
>
> Other side effects of a sticky injector are oil dilution and excessive
> cylinder wear because the rings are getting a bath in gasoline every
> night, and the fuel is dripping into the oil sump.
>
> If you're in the right part of Canada, may I suggest using a tank of
> ethanol-blend fuel every now and then? I use Mohawk Plus once in a
> while, especially if I've been parking in parkades, to help keep
> injectors clean, and to prevent gas line icing in winter.
>
> 'Curly'
>
> ---------------------------------------------