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How about that?

Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?

J.

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JRStern wrote:
> How about that?
>
> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>
> J.
>
Nice engineering, but just as ugly as the new Accord and other recent
models from the big H, sadly. All those meaningless swoopy lines and
blind-spot producing C pillars. Since they gave the Accord the big butt
and cat-eye headlights in 02, all their corporate style has been going
downhill with each new release. (not that the other brands are any
better, mind you. they all look alike, and they all are ugly. what idiot
decided that high beltlines, and rear doors that catch all the road crap
from the rear wheels, were a good idea? They all look like giant
HotWheels cars.)

--
aem sends...

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JRStern wrote:
> How about that?
>
> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?

What's wrong with six cylinder powered cars? My '01 works just fine.

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JRStern wrote:
> How about that?
>
> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>
> J.
>

Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
marketing decisions...

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red <red@neckspam.com> wrote:

>JRStern wrote:
>> How about that?
>>
>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>>
>> J.
>>
>
>Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
>conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
>marketing decisions...

Because they owe nothing to the world as a whole, only to the wealthy
investors.

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dgk wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red <red@neckspam.com> wrote:
>
>> JRStern wrote:
>>> How about that?
>>>
>>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>> Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
>> conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
>> marketing decisions...
>
> Because they owe nothing to the world as a whole, only to the wealthy
> investors.

In fact most stockholders are folks of modest means-- people like me and
you who own mutual funds, have a pension funded by some institutional
investors like CalPers who owns a bunch of the stock, etc. And what kind
of idiocy drives thinking-- no, make that feeling-- that anyone or
anything "owes" anything to the "world as a whwole" --- whatever that
the heck that means.

A company should obey the laws of whatever country it's in, strive to
maximize the long term investments of its owners, provide a good place
to work for the employees, be a good corporate citizen and think
strategically about the future.

Beyond that, they should leave the tree-hugging and whale-saving to wet
noodles like you...

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On 2009-12-15, dgk <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red <red@neckspam.com> wrote:
>
>>JRStern wrote:
>>> How about that?
>>>
>>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>
>>Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
>>conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
>>marketing decisions...
>
> Because they owe nothing to the world as a whole, only to the wealthy
> investors.

And to the customers who choose what they want to buy...

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red <red@neckspam.com> wrote:

>JRStern wrote:
>> How about that?
>>
>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>
>Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
>conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
>marketing decisions...

Well then, what's the thinking here?

Honda makes a lot of hay out of having the best company mileage. The
six is already available in the Accord. This is just another body
style with only the six, and optional 4wd. Seems to impinge on Acura
markets. On second look, it's even closer to the TL sheet metal, just
rounded the back a bit more.

Me, I wish they'd add a V8 to the line just to sell a few hundred of
them a year, maybe bring back the NSX, but I guess they don't find
that an economic move.

Can't see any way this makes sense on thinking, so must be some kind
of feeling behind it.

Have a nice day.

J.

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"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:hg7mja$8kd$1@news.datemas.de...
> JRStern wrote:
>> How about that?
>>
>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>
> What's wrong with six cylinder powered cars? My '01 works just fine.

Absolutely nothing wrong with it.

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On 12/15/2009 01:07 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red<red@neckspam.com> wrote:
>
>> JRStern wrote:
>>> How about that?
>>>
>>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
>>
>> Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
>> conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
>> marketing decisions...
>
> Well then, what's the thinking here?
>
> Honda makes a lot of hay out of having the best company mileage. The
> six is already available in the Accord. This is just another body
> style with only the six, and optional 4wd. Seems to impinge on Acura
> markets. On second look, it's even closer to the TL sheet metal, just
> rounded the back a bit more.
>
> Me, I wish they'd add a V8

cringe - yet another person who's afraid of honda's red line and
poisoned by detroit's propaganda and determination to stick to cheap
crappy 1950's technology.

but here's an opportunity for you to show you can think for yourself:
all else being equal, which do you think delivers the most power - a 4
liter v8 at 3000 rpm or a 2 liter i4 at 6000 rpm?

and just for devilment, why are all those big commercial diesels you see
out there on the highways only i6's? 40-odd tons of truck on a 6% grade
needs power doesn't it? why no v8's?




> to the line just to sell a few hundred of
> them a year, maybe bring back the NSX, but I guess they don't find
> that an economic move.
>
> Can't see any way this makes sense on thinking, so must be some kind
> of feeling behind it.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> J.
>
>

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In article <lKadnVNMK_XOx7XWnZ2dnUVZ_qOdnZ2d@speakeasy.net> ,
me@privacy.net says...
> On 12/15/2009 01:07 PM, JRStern wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:45:36 -0500, Red<red@neckspam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> JRStern wrote:
> >>> How about that?
> >>>
> >>> Honda feels a need to sell some more 6-cylinder cars?
> >>
> >> Spoken like the bed-wetting liberal you are. Corporations and
> >> conservatives "think", they don't "feel" when it comes to strategic
> >> marketing decisions...
> >
> > Well then, what's the thinking here?
> >
> > Honda makes a lot of hay out of having the best company mileage. The
> > six is already available in the Accord. This is just another body
> > style with only the six, and optional 4wd. Seems to impinge on Acura
> > markets. On second look, it's even closer to the TL sheet metal, just
> > rounded the back a bit more.
> >
> > Me, I wish they'd add a V8
>
> cringe - yet another person who's afraid of honda's red line and
> poisoned by detroit's propaganda and determination to stick to cheap
> crappy 1950's technology.
>
> but here's an opportunity for you to show you can think for yourself:
> all else being equal, which do you think delivers the most power - a 4
> liter v8 at 3000 rpm or a 2 liter i4 at 6000 rpm?

Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Honda develop a V8 either, but I had
something more like a Cosworth DFV in mind than a Chevy small-block. :)

Dave

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On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:24:59 -0600, Dave Garrett <dave@compassnet.com>
wrote:

>Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Honda develop a V8 either, but I had
>something more like a Cosworth DFV in mind than a Chevy small-block. :)

exactly, glue together a couple of S2000 engines ... or at least Civic
SI engines, smart cylinder technology like all the V8s these days,
400hp at 8000rpm, ... just what I need to go up the onramp into the
15mph congested freeway, but hey, very kewl in theory.

Much as I'm liking my 2010 Accord I4 at low speed low revs, when I
finally do punch it on the freeway - nothing there. It's even more
optimized for the low RPM than I thought. Even the 2007 and 2004
models had something going on when you hit the cam at 4000rpm, the
2010 not so much. I'm starting to understand why someone might drive
the six. I mean, my I4 goes zero to eighty in under ten seconds (I
estimate), it's not bad at all, in fact it's a downright amazing piece
of machinery. But I got smoked by a Versa today. Grumble.

J.

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In article <01vgi5tbplduvaum4iq96acuk2kql3e6cd@4ax.com>,
JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:

> >Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Honda develop a V8 either, but I had
> >something more like a Cosworth DFV in mind than a Chevy small-block. :)
>
> exactly, glue together a couple of S2000 engines ... or at least Civic
> SI engines,

.....or just do a modern version of the Car and Driver twin engine CRX...

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On 12/15/2009 10:26 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:24:59 -0600, Dave Garrett<dave@compassnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I wouldn't mind seeing Honda develop a V8 either, but I had
>> something more like a Cosworth DFV in mind than a Chevy small-block. :)
>
> exactly, glue together a couple of S2000 engines ... or at least Civic
> SI engines, smart cylinder technology like all the V8s these days,
> 400hp at 8000rpm, ... just what I need to go up the onramp into the
> 15mph congested freeway, but hey, very kewl in theory.
>
> Much as I'm liking my 2010 Accord I4 at low speed low revs, when I
> finally do punch it on the freeway - nothing there. It's even more
> optimized for the low RPM than I thought. Even the 2007 and 2004
> models had something going on when you hit the cam at 4000rpm, the
> 2010 not so much. I'm starting to understand why someone might drive
> the six. I mean, my I4 goes zero to eighty in under ten seconds (I
> estimate), it's not bad at all, in fact it's a downright amazing piece
> of machinery. But I got smoked by a Versa today. Grumble.
>
> J.
>
>

you remind me of a ricer kiddie trying to buy a crx off me one time.
"it's got no power" he bleated after creeping abound the block at
1500rpm. we shifted seats and i layed rubber as we pulled away. you
ever seen an asian kid turn white?

bottom line dude, when you "punch it", you also need to reach all the
way over to that "transmission shift" thingy as well - 'cos you need to
be up near that red line. that's what hondas are built for and where
they perform best.

btw, you didn't answer the v8 vs. i4 question. the correct answer is
the i4 - lower losses on the fewer moving parts. now, you go ahead and
learn to rev that engine of yours - the i4's have 16 valves specifically
so you can do this.

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In article <fL-dna2KHNpNd7XWnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

> you remind me of a ricer kiddie trying to buy a crx off me one time.
> "it's got no power" he bleated after creeping abound the block at
> 1500rpm. we shifted seats and i layed rubber as we pulled away. you
> ever seen an asian kid turn white?
>
> bottom line dude, when you "punch it", you also need to reach all the
> way over to that "transmission shift" thingy as well - 'cos you need to
> be up near that red line. that's what hondas are built for and where
> they perform best.

Amen brother.

A Honda I4 with a manual transmission is a thing of beauty, but only a
few in the world realize it--because everybody HATES to hit VTEC, let
alone anywhere near redline.