Re: Crosstour
 

"billzz" <billzz@wildblue.net> wrote in message
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On Dec 18, 4:00 pm, JRStern <JRSt...@foobar.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:35:59 -0500, "tww1491" <twau...@cox.net> wrote:
> >After all these years--- the solution to the stuck starter. I used to
> >take
> >it off and clean the bendix. But, until then, push the car and start in
> >2nd
> >gear. Of course, don't forget the baggie on the distributor to keep it
> >dry
> >when going through a deep puddle. Radiator -- I was stationed in Laredo
> >Tx
> >at the time -- overheat was the norm in traffic in the hot summers. Then,
> >there were the leaking freeze plugs. Ah the memories. The Tiger was a
> >delight after that -- it would'nt break.
>
> Gosh, all my 1971 Fiat 124 would do is break lose the gas line to the
> carb and spray gasoline all over the hot engine. No problem, just
> rough up the brass connector with a file and shove it back in the
> hole, good for months more reliable driving!
>
> J.

What great memories. I also owned a 1970s Fiat 124 with the MC heads
and it's trick was to short out in the coil, and come to a dead stop.
The solution was to open up the cap and extend the spring, the end of
which was burnt off, and good to go for another thousand miles. But
it was fun, fun, fun to drive. It sounded like it was turning 7000
RPM at all times, the tires made a screech around every turn. Going
to the grocery store was like driving Monza, but the thing was that I
loved that. Now, all I do, is sit in my Honda and have a quiet
time.

My furst Honda was a 1967 CL 77 scrambler in Japan. That experience was an
insight to Honda and it's engineering -- bulletproof. In Dec 1968 at the
Tokyo motorshow I was stunned (as many people were) by the Honda CB 750 four
cylinder, with a disc brake no less, on a turnstile. I owned one later when
I returned to the States. That motorcycle literally turned the bike world on
it head and spelled the end for Norton, Triumph BSA and others. The 750 was
dead reliable and a real performer--but did not handle as well as the
British bikes. I remember the Fiat too -- lovely car. I still think of
Honda as an engineering company that happens to build cars and motorcycles.

Re: Crosstour
 

On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:01:14 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
<elmop@nastydesigns.com> wrote:

>In article <siani557qsgbspf98dd5vn7afdbmbe03v0@4ax.com>,
> JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Glancing over at Acura ... a new ZDX?
>>
>> But the Crosstour is still just a TL with a Honda badge, right?
>
>Not quite.
>
>There's the Accord. Then there's the TL, which is an Accord with an
>Acura badge and upmarket equipment not available under the Honda label.
>
>Then there's the Crosstour, which is an Accord wagon--except in this day
>and age they're deathly afraid to use the phrase "station wagon," hence
>the entirely different name.
>
>And of course, the ZDX is--ta daaaa--a Crosstour with an Acura badge and
>upmarket equipment htat's not available under the Honda label. Also
>known as a TL station wagon.

Just glancing at the website, I couldn't tell if the ZDX was the
Crosstour, it looked ... taller.

But the basic TL is nearly a station wagon at this point, the rear
window is higher and longer than the Accord.

And I thought this crossover (!) car/SUV thing had already run its
course. Guess not, as long as gas stays under $4/gallon.

J.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/18/2009 08:12 AM, JRStern wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:30:05 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> i'm not complaining about the car, i'm complaining about "shoot from the
>> hip" b.s. being presented as fact. "definitive" statements like "it's
>> got nothing" are just plain wrong. as opposed to "i think it's got
>> nothing relative to..." of course. and ignoring of course the
>> ridiculousness of this statement when looking at motors that develop
>> peak power within only a few hundred rpm of red line.
>> http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...fications.aspx
>
> You want to add something to the conversation, show me some power and
> torque curves for the Accord versus the Civic SI, and you will see
> what I mean.
>
> (Road and Track used to publish those in reviews, I never see them
> anymore ... but it's true I haven't looked very hard)

and that is the whole point of what i've been saying - you have an
"opinion" but it's completely underinformed. where i come from, that's
otherwise known as "bullshit".


>
> And try the decaf.

try not wasting electrons. you're plugged in to the net. you have
access to google. freakin' well use it.

Re: Crosstour
 

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:35:55 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 12/18/2009 08:12 AM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:30:05 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> i'm not complaining about the car, i'm complaining about "shoot from the
>>> hip" b.s. being presented as fact. "definitive" statements like "it's
>>> got nothing" are just plain wrong. as opposed to "i think it's got
>>> nothing relative to..." of course. and ignoring of course the
>>> ridiculousness of this statement when looking at motors that develop
>>> peak power within only a few hundred rpm of red line.
>>> http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...fications.aspx
>>
>> You want to add something to the conversation, show me some power and
>> torque curves for the Accord versus the Civic SI, and you will see
>> what I mean.
....
>> And try the decaf.
>
>try not wasting electrons. you're plugged in to the net. you have
>access to google. freakin' well use it.

back atcha.

J.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/19/2009 04:42 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:35:55 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2009 08:12 AM, JRStern wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:30:05 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i'm not complaining about the car, i'm complaining about "shoot from the
>>>> hip" b.s. being presented as fact. "definitive" statements like "it's
>>>> got nothing" are just plain wrong. as opposed to "i think it's got
>>>> nothing relative to..." of course. and ignoring of course the
>>>> ridiculousness of this statement when looking at motors that develop
>>>> peak power within only a few hundred rpm of red line.
>>>> http://automobiles.honda.com/accord-...fications.aspx
>>>
>>> You want to add something to the conversation, show me some power and
>>> torque curves for the Accord versus the Civic SI, and you will see
>>> what I mean.
> ...
>>> And try the decaf.
>>
>> try not wasting electrons. you're plugged in to the net. you have
>> access to google. freakin' well use it.
>
> back atcha.
>

eh? you make the factual misstatements, but i'm the one that needs to
do the homework? you've got yourself a significant reality problem
there guy.

Re: Crosstour
 

On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:46:38 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>> back atcha.
>
>eh? you make the factual misstatements, but i'm the one that needs to
>do the homework? you've got yourself a significant reality problem
>there guy.

the question my good man is to just who is making misstatements.

J.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/21/2009 06:07 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:46:38 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>> back atcha.
>>
>> eh? you make the factual misstatements, but i'm the one that needs to
>> do the homework? you've got yourself a significant reality problem
>> there guy.
>
> the question my good man is to just who is making misstatements.
>
> J.
>

if your reality problems persist, and if google isn't working for you
[carefully snipped of course], you should try wikipedia. for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/22/2009 9:37 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:

> On 12/21/2009 06:07 PM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:46:38 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> back atcha.
>>>
>>> eh? you make the factual misstatements, but i'm the one that needs to
>>> do the homework? you've got yourself a significant reality problem
>>> there guy.
>>
>> the question my good man is to just who is making misstatements.
>>
>> J.
>>
>
> if your reality problems persist, and if google isn't working for you
> [carefully snipped of course], you should try wikipedia. for example:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional
>

Wow. Just wow. I've lived to hear Muhammed Ali call George Foreman a
scientific boxer.

Awesome.


RFT!!!
Dave Kelsen
--
You just can't fix stupid.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/22/2009 02:20 PM, Dave Kelsen wrote:
> On 12/22/2009 9:37 AM jim beam spake these words of knowledge:
>
>> On 12/21/2009 06:07 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:46:38 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> back atcha.
>>>>
>>>> eh? you make the factual misstatements, but i'm the one that needs to
>>>> do the homework? you've got yourself a significant reality problem
>>>> there guy.
>>>
>>> the question my good man is to just who is making misstatements.
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>
>> if your reality problems persist, and if google isn't working for you
>> [carefully snipped of course], you should try wikipedia. for example:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional
>>
>
> Wow. Just wow. I've lived to hear Muhammed Ali call George Foreman a
> scientific boxer.
>
> Awesome.
>
>
> RFT!!!
> Dave Kelsen

yet another one unable to differentiate style from content. are you
susceptible to advertising dave? how about politics?

bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
4000rpm.

now, you go ahead and waste some more electrons, but try not to get too
confused.

Re: Crosstour
 

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:11:06 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
>but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
>line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
>4000rpm.

If the curve is flat the peak doesn't matter, what if the engine puts
out 1 hp at 1000 rpm and 1.1 hp at 7100 rpm?

Have a nice day.

J.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/22/2009 07:16 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:11:06 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
>> but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
>> line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
>> 4000rpm.
>
> If the curve is flat the peak doesn't matter, what if the engine puts
> out 1 hp at 1000 rpm and 1.1 hp at 7100 rpm?
>
> Have a nice day.
>
> J.
>
>

that's stunning.

why do you post on subjects about which you clearly don't have the
slightest clue? do you write nasa with thruster design critique on
ares? i mean, knot even knowing what you don't know appears to be no
barrier.

Re: Crosstour
 

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:23:46 -0800, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 12/22/2009 07:16 PM, JRStern wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:11:06 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
>>> but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
>>> line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
>>> 4000rpm.
>>
>> If the curve is flat the peak doesn't matter, what if the engine puts
>> out 1 hp at 1000 rpm and 1.1 hp at 7100 rpm?
>>
>> Have a nice day.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>
>that's stunning.
>
>why do you post on subjects about which you clearly don't have the
>slightest clue? do you write nasa with thruster design critique on
>ares? i mean, knot even knowing what you don't know appears to be no
>barrier.

you want more?

it's torque that equates to acceleration, not horsepower.

comment?



I had a link ... has preentered values for S2000, chose S2000 have it
draw the curve down to 2000rpm, press calculate, scroll up to the
curves. torque peaks earlier than power, and that's the same general
shape I can feel the Accord doing.

http://vlsicad.ucsd.edu/~sharma/Potpourri/perf_est.html


Y'know, your ignorance (and hysteria) is one thing, but googling
around, I can't find a single clear and accurate explanation of this
stuff. Waaay back in the day, Road and Track published power and
torque curves, Car and Driver didn't, but Car and Driver had more
entertaining writers. I guess nobody today groks numbers, you sure
don't. But it was common knowledge out on the streets, too, it didn't
take a physics degree or even high school math to parrot, "torque is
acceleration". what depressing times we are living in.

J.

Re: Crosstour
 

On 12/22/2009 08:58 PM, JRStern wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:23:46 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On 12/22/2009 07:16 PM, JRStern wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:11:06 -0800, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
>>>> but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
>>>> line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
>>>> 4000rpm.
>>>
>>> If the curve is flat the peak doesn't matter, what if the engine puts
>>> out 1 hp at 1000 rpm and 1.1 hp at 7100 rpm?
>>>
>>> Have a nice day.
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> that's stunning.
>>
>> why do you post on subjects about which you clearly don't have the
>> slightest clue? do you write nasa with thruster design critique on
>> ares? i mean, knot even knowing what you don't know appears to be no
>> barrier.
>
> you want more?
>
> it's torque that equates to acceleration, not horsepower.
>
> comment?
>
>
>
> I had a link ... has preentered values for S2000, chose S2000 have it
> draw the curve down to 2000rpm, press calculate, scroll up to the
> curves. torque peaks earlier than power, and that's the same general
> shape I can feel the Accord doing.
>
> http://vlsicad.ucsd.edu/~sharma/Potpourri/perf_est.html
>
>
> Y'know, your ignorance (and hysteria) is one thing, but googling
> around, I can't find a single clear and accurate explanation of this
> stuff. Waaay back in the day, Road and Track published power and
> torque curves, Car and Driver didn't, but Car and Driver had more
> entertaining writers. I guess nobody today groks numbers, you sure
> don't. But it was common knowledge out on the streets, too, it didn't
> take a physics degree or even high school math to parrot, "torque is
> acceleration". what depressing times we are living in.
>
> J.
>
>

me dude - < 20 seconds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque

"I can't find a single clear and accurate explanation of this stuff"

that's because you're /waaaaay/ out of your depth - you don't understand
it when it's right in front of you.

Re: Crosstour
 

Hey Guys [you know who you are],

I have a silly little suggestion .....

JUST STOP IT !!!

For crying out loud, who wants to read all of your _________? Why not
take it private between yourselves?
Do you think most of us want to read your snide comments to each
other. Do you think we care?

ENOUGH ALREADY !!!

Can we go back to talking about Hondas?

Thank you in advance,
Peace on earth and in this group.


On Dec 22, 11:27 pm, jim beam <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 12/22/2009 08:58 PM, JRStern wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:23:46 -0800, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> On 12/22/2009 07:16 PM, JRStern wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:11:06 -0800, jim beam<m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >>>> bottom line, you may not /like/ the fact that i'm a pedantic ,
> >>>> but if the peak power of a motor is only 100rpm below a 7100rpm red
> >>>> line, it's ridiculous to be bleating about "lack of power" at less than
> >>>> 4000rpm.
>
> >>> If the curve is flat the peak doesn't matter, what if the engine puts
> >>> out 1 hp at 1000 rpm and 1.1 hp at 7100 rpm?
>
> >>> Have a nice day.
>
> >>> J.
>
> >> that's stunning.
>
> >> why do you post on subjects about which you clearly don't have the
> >> slightest clue? do you write nasa with thruster design critique on
> >> ares? i mean, knot even knowing what you don't know appears to be no
> >> barrier.
>
> > you want more?
>
> > it's torque that equates to acceleration, not horsepower.
>
> > comment?
>
> > I had a link ... has preentered values for S2000, chose S2000 have it
> > draw the curve down to 2000rpm, press calculate, scroll up to the
> > curves. torque peaks earlier than power, and that's the same general
> > shape I can feel the Accord doing.
>
> >http://vlsicad.ucsd.edu/~sharma/Potpourri/perf_est.html
>
> > Y'know, your ignorance (and hysteria) is one thing, but googling
> > around, I can't find a single clear and accurate explanation of this
> > stuff. Waaay back in the day, Road and Track published power and
> > torque curves, Car and Driver didn't, but Car and Driver had more
> > entertaining writers. I guess nobody today groks numbers, you sure
> > don't. But it was common knowledge out on the streets, too, it didn't
> > take a physics degree or even high school math to parrot, "torque is
> > acceleration". what depressing times we are living in.
>
> > J.
>
> me dude - < 20 seconds.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torque
>
> "I can't find a single clear and accurate explanation of this stuff"
>
> that's because you're /waaaaay/ out of your depth - you don't understand
> it when it's right in front of you.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -