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Flatlander 11-22-2008 08:00 PM

CRX Headlights
 
I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
thing has broken or come loose.

Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?

Dan C 11-22-2008 08:38 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:

> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
> thing has broken or come loose.
>
> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
> Any other advice or things to watch out for?


My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.


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Mark 11-22-2008 10:23 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
> a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.
>
>

One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you think
that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I suppose since
there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or even 07 they are POS
and should be dragged to the scrap heap?


Dan C 11-22-2008 10:49 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:23:33 -0500, Mark wrote:

>> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
>> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a
>> decent ride.


> One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
> think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
> suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
> even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?


You should take a logical thinking class, before you make a fool of
yourself in public again. Why would I think a 2-3 year old car is in the
same category as a 20+ year old car?

Stay in school.


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Eternal Searcher 11-22-2008 10:51 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Dan C wrote:

> You should take a logical thinking class, before you make a fool of
> yourself in public again. Why would I think a 2-3 year old car is in the
> same category as a 20+ year old car?


I bet this 20+ year old Japanese car still runs better than a 2-3 year old
domestic car.

Grumpy AuContraire 11-22-2008 11:10 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


Mark wrote:
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
>
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>>
>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>>
>>
>> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
>> a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent
>> ride.
>>
>>

> One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
> think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
> suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
> even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?



Yes, such talk is nonsense. My "newest" is a '83 Civic FE and up to
that year, Hondas were "old" school in how they operated. No friggin'
"Check Engine" light, no PCV valve, no oxygen sensor... Still gets 40+
mpg in mixed driving with an earlier '81 engine.

They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
order to drag it to the scrap heap!

JT

Grumpy AuContraire 11-22-2008 11:11 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:23:33 -0500, Mark wrote:
>
>
>>>My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>>>and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>>>standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
>>>get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a
>>>decent ride.

>
>
>>One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
>>think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
>>suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
>>even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?

>
>
> You should take a logical thinking class, before you make a fool of
> yourself in public again. Why would I think a 2-3 year old car is in the
> same category as a 20+ year old car?
>
> Stay in school.
>
>



Er, a good look in the mirror will reveal the real fool here...

JT


Grumpy AuContraire 11-22-2008 11:13 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


Flatlander wrote:

> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
> thing has broken or come loose.
>
> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?


Probably best to replace the entire housing. Should be able to find
such on eBay or similar. CRX models still enjoy good popularity.

JT


Dan C 11-22-2008 11:22 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:51:01 -0500, Eternal Searcher wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>
>> You should take a logical thinking class, before you make a fool of
>> yourself in public again. Why would I think a 2-3 year old car is in
>> the same category as a 20+ year old car?

>
> I bet this 20+ year old Japanese car still runs better than a 2-3 year
> old domestic car.


How much are we betting?


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Dan C 11-22-2008 11:23 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:10:41 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:

> Mark wrote:
>> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
>>
>>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
>>>> I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
>>>> such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?
>>>
>>>
>>> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years
>>> old and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>>> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
>>> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a
>>> decent ride.
>>>
>>>

>> One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
>> think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
>> suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
>> even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?

>
>
> Yes, such talk is nonsense. My "newest" is a '83 Civic FE and up to
> that year, Hondas were "old" school in how they operated. No friggin'
> "Check Engine" light, no PCV valve, no oxygen sensor... Still gets 40+
> mpg in mixed driving with an earlier '81 engine.
>
> They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
> order to drag it to the scrap heap!


Which is exactly what the paramedics will do if you ever get in a serious
accident with that POS.


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Michael Pardee 11-22-2008 11:49 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX ...

>
> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
> a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.
>
>

It is good to take stock if an expensive repair is in order, but assuming it
is not worth minor repair is unrealistic. Many 1980s cars are still
serviceable and are quite safe, and there is no reason to think otherwise
unless the OP has a litany of recent or current defects.

I recently changed the timing belt on my daughter's '93 Accord at just under
250K miles, and it is showing no sign of general decay. By the time the
timing belt is due for another change it will be more than 21 years old...
as nearly all my cars are before I retire them. Her '82 Corolla, passed on
to her brother, gave out in 2005. My son-in-law wrecked my 23 year old Volvo
last year; until that it was my daily driver. I gave away my previous Volvo
to a friend when it was 28 years old. My Nissan 300ZX had a raft of
problems - mostly electrical - and I got rid of it when it was only 18 years
old.

I think the best age for buying a used car is around 100K miles and 8-10
years old. At 50K miles it is hard to tell how a car has been treated; at
100K it is hard to hide. (I bought the Accord for her 7 years ago with 163K
miles on it. It's been a great car.)

Mike



Flatlander 11-23-2008 12:05 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On 23 Nov 2008 04:22:44 GMT, Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 22:51:01 -0500, Eternal Searcher wrote:
>
>> Dan C wrote:
>>
>>> You should take a logical thinking class, before you make a fool of
>>> yourself in public again. Why would I think a 2-3 year old car is in
>>> the same category as a 20+ year old car?

>>
>> I bet this 20+ year old Japanese car still runs better than a 2-3 year
>> old domestic car.

>
>How much are we betting?


How about your old Packard?

Thanks for the helpful post. Glad to see the trolls are still awake.

jim beam 11-23-2008 02:02 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:38:13 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent
> ride.



dan, you're off base here dude. the crx, even the mk1's, are a huge
amount of fun to have with clothes on. try one and you'll understand why
people /do/ want to keep their "pos" on the road.


jim beam 11-23-2008 02:02 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:38:13 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent
> ride.



dan, you're off base here dude. the crx, even the mk1's, are a huge
amount of fun to have with clothes on. try one and you'll understand why
people /do/ want to keep their "pos" on the road.


jim beam 11-23-2008 02:02 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:38:13 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent
> ride.



dan, you're off base here dude. the crx, even the mk1's, are a huge
amount of fun to have with clothes on. try one and you'll understand why
people /do/ want to keep their "pos" on the road.


Tegger 11-23-2008 07:47 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:

> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
> thing has broken or come loose.
>
> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?




Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or does it
have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?


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Tegger 11-23-2008 07:59 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9B5F4EF6228A7tegger@208.90.168.18:

> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
> news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
>> I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
>> such thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
>
>
> Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or does
> it have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?
>
>




I just realized I have a service manual for the '88 CRX. It looks like that
car has the same type of flush headlamps as other Hondas of the era.

Your assembly likely has broken adjuster pins, which go into the plastic
backing of the reflector. Impacts cause the pins to break off the
reflector. There's no fix for this except to get a replacement headlamp
from the wreckers.

Why don't you remove the headlamp and have a good look at the pins? You
need to remove the front bumper in order to get at the bottom two bolts of
the headlamp assembly.

--
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Flatlander 11-23-2008 11:42 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>news:Xns9B5F4EF6228A7tegger@208.90.168.18:
>
>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
>>> I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
>>> such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>
>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>>
>>
>>
>> Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or does
>> it have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?
>>
>>

>
>
>
>I just realized I have a service manual for the '88 CRX. It looks like that
>car has the same type of flush headlamps as other Hondas of the era.
>
>Your assembly likely has broken adjuster pins, which go into the plastic
>backing of the reflector. Impacts cause the pins to break off the
>reflector. There's no fix for this except to get a replacement headlamp
>from the wreckers.
>
>Why don't you remove the headlamp and have a good look at the pins? You
>need to remove the front bumper in order to get at the bottom two bolts of
>the headlamp assembly.


Now that you mention it, I'm sure you're exactly right about the pins
being broken off. This was the daughter's car for college back in the
'98 time frame. She ran it into the bushes a couple of times in the
snow. I've had trouble getting the headlight beam adjusted high
enough ever since then. The pin probably finally broke off.

So it's to the wreckers on Monday for a replacement. That saves me
some time, as I didn't want to have to tear it apart and then spend a
couple of days messing around looking for parts. Thanks!

Dillon Pyron 11-23-2008 12:33 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Thus spake Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> :

>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>
>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>
>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>
>My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
>a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.


I've seen some late 80's CRX's doing quite well in the SCCA regional
classes. Yes, a little warmed over, but the rules don't let them do
much in Improved Modified. They also do well in A/X.

Flatlander 11-23-2008 05:39 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:33:36 -0600, Dillon Pyron
<invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>Thus spake Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> :
>
>>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>>
>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>>
>>My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>>and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>>standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
>>a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.

>
>I've seen some late 80's CRX's doing quite well in the SCCA regional
>classes. Yes, a little warmed over, but the rules don't let them do
>much in Improved Modified. They also do well in A/X.


This one isn't doing too bad considering the age. It has 149k on it.
Other than scheduled maintenance, the only things I've had to do so
far are replace the struts for the hatch (which need replacing again)
and replace the heater blower. It still isn't using any oil. The
main problems the car has had are things related to having a 20 year
old daughter drive it - like knocking the spoiler off the front end a
couple of times and tearing the CV boots with some "off road" driving.
Now that it's the wife's car, we don't seem to be having those kinds
of issues any more. The car isn't a gem, but it's reliable and
halfway presentable. Being carbureted and an automatic, we're
entering the season where cold starts are once again "interesting".

Dillon Pyron 11-23-2008 11:46 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Thus spake Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> :

>On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:33:36 -0600, Dillon Pyron
><invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>Thus spake Dan C <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> :
>>
>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>>>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>>>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>>>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>>>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?
>>>
>>>My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>>>and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>>>standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
>>>a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent ride.

>>
>>I've seen some late 80's CRX's doing quite well in the SCCA regional
>>classes. Yes, a little warmed over, but the rules don't let them do
>>much in Improved Modified. They also do well in A/X.

>
>This one isn't doing too bad considering the age. It has 149k on it.
>Other than scheduled maintenance, the only things I've had to do so
>far are replace the struts for the hatch (which need replacing again)
>and replace the heater blower. It still isn't using any oil. The
>main problems the car has had are things related to having a 20 year
>old daughter drive it - like knocking the spoiler off the front end a
>couple of times and tearing the CV boots with some "off road" driving.


Speaking of CV boots, the joints are probably near their EOL. This is
more a function of out and out years rather than wear and tear.

>Now that it's the wife's car, we don't seem to be having those kinds
>of issues any more. The car isn't a gem, but it's reliable and
>halfway presentable. Being carbureted and an automatic, we're
>entering the season where cold starts are once again "interesting".


Ether. It doesn't really make the car start any easier, but it REALLY
makes things "interesting" :-)

Dave Garrett 11-24-2008 12:21 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
In article <pan.2008.11.23.04.23.58@moria.lan>,
youmustbejoking@lan.invalid says...
> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:10:41 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>
> > Mark wrote:
> >> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
> >>
> >>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
> >>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
> >>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
> >>>> I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
> >>>> such thing has broken or come loose.
> >>>>
> >>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
> >>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
> >>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years
> >>> old and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
> >>> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
> >>> get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a
> >>> decent ride.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
> >> think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
> >> suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
> >> even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?

> >
> >
> > Yes, such talk is nonsense. My "newest" is a '83 Civic FE and up to
> > that year, Hondas were "old" school in how they operated. No friggin'
> > "Check Engine" light, no PCV valve, no oxygen sensor... Still gets 40+
> > mpg in mixed driving with an earlier '81 engine.
> >
> > They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
> > order to drag it to the scrap heap!

>
> Which is exactly what the paramedics will do if you ever get in a serious
> accident with that POS.


You've beaten this horse here before. Repeatedly.

I am reminded of something Mary Shafer (at the time, Flying Qualities
Lead Engineer on NASA's SR-71) once wrote:

"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
live in the real world."

Dave


Dan C 11-24-2008 12:55 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:21:04 -0600, Dave Garrett wrote:

>> > They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
>> > order to drag it to the scrap heap!


>> Which is exactly what the paramedics will do if you ever get in a
>> serious accident with that POS.


> I am reminded of something Mary Shafer (at the time, Flying Qualities
> Lead Engineer on NASA's SR-71) once wrote:
>
> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
> live in the real world."


Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like ABS
and air bags.

Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive without
them?


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jim beam 11-24-2008 01:17 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 05:55:31 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:21:04 -0600, Dave Garrett wrote:
>
>>> > They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
>>> > order to drag it to the scrap heap!

>
>>> Which is exactly what the paramedics will do if you ever get in a
>>> serious accident with that POS.

>
>> I am reminded of something Mary Shafer (at the time, Flying Qualities
>> Lead Engineer on NASA's SR-71) once wrote:
>>
>> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
>> live in the real world."

>
> Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like ABS
> and air bags.


abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your owner
manual. air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel
you sit. and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the
driver of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.



>
> Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive without
> them?


go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you /way/
more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.


James Sweet 11-24-2008 02:03 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Mark wrote:
> "Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>
>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work. I
>>> assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some such
>>> thing has broken or come loose.
>>>
>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm pretty
>>> sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the housing.
>>> Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>>
>> My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years old
>> and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>> standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can get
>> a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a decent
>> ride.
>>
>>

> One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
> think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
> suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
> even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?



Don't feed the trolls.


Not many cars newer than about 20 years old that I have much interest in.

Dan C 11-24-2008 11:32 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:17:01 +0000, jim beam wrote:

>>> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
>>> live in the real world."


>> Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like
>> ABS and air bags.


> abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your
> owner manual.


Maybe. Rarely. All in all, it's a good thing to have, in almost all
cases.

> air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel you sit.


No, it doesn't.

> and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the driver
> of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.


We weren't talking about an "exploder". The subject is a Honda CRX. Try
to keep up, if you're gonna jump into a conversation.

>> Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive
>> without them?


> go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you /way/
> more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.


Anyone who argues that ABS or airbags don't include your chances of
survival in a crash is just a fool. If that's what you truly believe,
don't bother replying, as I don't have time to waste on fools.


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jim beam 11-24-2008 12:52 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:32:41 +0000, Dan C wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:17:01 +0000, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls
>>>> to live in the real world."

>
>>> Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like
>>> ABS and air bags.

>
>> abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your
>> owner manual.

>
> Maybe. Rarely. All in all, it's a good thing to have, in almost all
> cases.


actually, it's a crappy thing to have in mud and snow because in both
cases, locking and plowing can stop you quicker. straight line on ice is
debatable. it's primary purpose is to help the freds who would otherwise
lock wheels and keep them locked when they brake in the rain, skid, and
slowly pirouette across the freeway as they try to break the brake pedal
off hoping it'll make the cars stop faster. if you've ever witnessed
people driving in the rain in los angeles or las vegas, you'll know what i
mean.



>
>> air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel you
>> sit.

>
> No, it doesn't.


actually, it does.


>
>> and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the driver
>> of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.

>
> We weren't talking about an "exploder". The subject is a Honda CRX.
> Try to keep up, if you're gonna jump into a conversation.


you made a blanket statement, but it's only applicable to a limited set of
circumstances. front airbags offer no protection from side impact. they
offer no protection from rollover. all they offer is protection from
frontal, and that's assuming the driver would otherwise impact the wheel
due to proximity or restraint problems. in all cases, better protection
would be afforded by the use of a rigid safety cage, five-point harness
and helmet rather than an explosive device.



>
>>> Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive
>>> without them?

>
>> go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you
>> /way/ more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.

>
> Anyone who argues that ABS or airbags don't include your chances of
> survival in a crash is just a fool. If that's what you truly believe,
> don't bother replying, as I don't have time to waste on fools.


dude, i'm not a fool. not only do i have something of an edumacation on
this stuff, i've worked with cars for a long time, both professionally and
as an amateur. and i've surfed junkyards for more than three decades.
i've seen a lot of busted cars, including crx's. if you want to say that
the first gen crx's with the plastic body panels are sketchier than the
gen two's, i'll say sure. but neither vehicle is a slouch in crash
survival that i've seen. for rollover, [if you can ever get it to
rollover, which short of ditching it is pretty near impossible in my
experience], both gens of crx hold up /real/ well. much better than
detroit product of the same era, or even today. for frontal, same again,
great survival of the passenger cell. where they're not so hot is side
impact, but imo, that's something of a debatable benefit. without some
distance in which to deform and thus absorb impact, the body decelerates
against the side impactor pretty much unprotected. and short of making
vehicles as wide as they are long, there's not much to be done about
that. side airbags protect the head, but they don't prevent broken
plevises, legs, etc.


James Sweet 11-24-2008 01:14 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Dan C wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:17:01 +0000, jim beam wrote:
>
>>>> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
>>>> live in the real world."

>
>>> Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like
>>> ABS and air bags.

>
>> abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your
>> owner manual.

>
> Maybe. Rarely. All in all, it's a good thing to have, in almost all
> cases.
>
>> air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel you sit.

>
> No, it doesn't.
>
>> and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the driver
>> of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.

>
> We weren't talking about an "exploder". The subject is a Honda CRX. Try
> to keep up, if you're gonna jump into a conversation.
>
>>> Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive
>>> without them?

>
>> go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you /way/
>> more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.

>
> Anyone who argues that ABS or airbags don't include your chances of
> survival in a crash is just a fool. If that's what you truly believe,
> don't bother replying, as I don't have time to waste on fools.
>
>


Airbags and ABS are not a bad thing, but having them does not
automatically make a car safe, and lacking them does not automatically
make a car dangerous.

My primary focus is Volvo, the 240 series was made for nearly two
decades and is legendary for safety, despite airbags and ABS being
available only the final 2 or 3 years of production. Much has been
learned in the way of safety and cars in general have improved
dramatically in the last decade or two, particularly small cars, but in
many cases an air bag is a band aide over inferior design.

All that said, there's more to life than safety. Few would argue that
motorcycles are safe, but they're fun, and many of us would rather live
a short but enjoyable life, than a long one spent locked in a padded
sterile bunker where we are "safe".

The best way to survive an accident is to not get in one; drive
sensibly, keep your eye on the road, stay off the phone, drive at a
speed appropriate for the conditions, and keep the car in good
mechanical order. Accidents do happen, and safety equipment will improve
your chances, but nothing can protect you in all cases. Life involves
some risk.

Grumpy AuContraire 11-25-2008 11:37 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


Dave Garrett wrote:
> In article <pan.2008.11.23.04.23.58@moria.lan>,
> youmustbejoking@lan.invalid says...
>
>>On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:10:41 +0000, Grumpy AuContraire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Dan C" <youmustbejoking@lan.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:pan.2008.11.23.01.38.47@moria.lan...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 19:00:12 -0600, Flatlander wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>>>>>housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>>>>>about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
>>>>>>I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
>>>>>>such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>>>>>pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>>>>>housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>My advice would be to get rid of that piece of . It's 21 years
>>>>>old and not worth fixing any more. Almost certainly not up to safety
>>>>>standards either. Take it to the nearest junkyard and see if you can
>>>>>get a few bucks for it. If not just give it to them and go get a
>>>>>decent ride.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>One man's opinion - not worth the time it took to read! Why do you
>>>>think that just because the vehicle is 21 years old it is a POS? I
>>>>suppose since there have been improvements made since 2005, or 06, or
>>>>even 07 they are POS and should be dragged to the scrap heap?
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, such talk is nonsense. My "newest" is a '83 Civic FE and up to
>>>that year, Hondas were "old" school in how they operated. No friggin'
>>>"Check Engine" light, no PCV valve, no oxygen sensor... Still gets 40+
>>>mpg in mixed driving with an earlier '81 engine.
>>>
>>>They'll have to pry my cold dead hands off of the steering wheel in
>>>order to drag it to the scrap heap!

>>
>>Which is exactly what the paramedics will do if you ever get in a serious
>>accident with that POS.

>
>
> You've beaten this horse here before. Repeatedly.
>
> I am reminded of something Mary Shafer (at the time, Flying Qualities
> Lead Engineer on NASA's SR-71) once wrote:
>
> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
> live in the real world."
>
>



Yep, when I look back on life, I somehow survived cars without
seatbelts, the lead paint era, second hand cigarette smoke, etc. All
that this cradle to grave safety first crap is accomplishing is dumbing
down society further not to mention much higher vehicle prices and
reduced fuel efficiency.

And, that good ol' SR-71 leaked fuel like a sieve until reaching
altitude and speed. Still, nothing has been built to be its equal.

Best of all, if push comes to shove, I just drive my reliable ol' 55
Studebaker President State sedan and will gladly take advantage of
someone else's crush zone!

JT

Grumpy AuContraire 11-25-2008 11:45 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


James Sweet wrote:

> Dan C wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:17:01 +0000, jim beam wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to
>>>>> live in the real world."

>>
>>
>>
>>>> Who's talking about "perfect safety"? I'm talking about things like
>>>> ABS and air bags.

>>
>>
>>
>>> abs is no panacea - it can extend braking distances, just read your
>>> owner manual.

>>
>>
>> Maybe. Rarely. All in all, it's a good thing to have, in almost all
>> cases.
>>
>>> air bags? depends on how big you are and how close to the wheel you
>>> sit.

>>
>>
>> No, it doesn't.
>>
>>> and the type of crash you have. air bags don't do squat for the
>>> driver of an exploder when it rolls and the roof collapses.

>>
>>
>> We weren't talking about an "exploder". The subject is a Honda CRX.
>> Try to keep up, if you're gonna jump into a conversation.
>>
>>>> Are you saying you *admire* someone who "has the balls" to drive
>>>> without them?

>>
>>
>>
>>> go to a junk yard and look at real crashed cars - that'll tell you /way/
>>> more than any hearsay or b.s. you'll read in a press release.

>>
>>
>> Anyone who argues that ABS or airbags don't include your chances of
>> survival in a crash is just a fool. If that's what you truly believe,
>> don't bother replying, as I don't have time to waste on fools.
>>
>>

>
> Airbags and ABS are not a bad thing, but having them does not
> automatically make a car safe, and lacking them does not automatically
> make a car dangerous.
>
> My primary focus is Volvo, the 240 series was made for nearly two
> decades and is legendary for safety, despite airbags and ABS being
> available only the final 2 or 3 years of production. Much has been
> learned in the way of safety and cars in general have improved
> dramatically in the last decade or two, particularly small cars, but in
> many cases an air bag is a band aide over inferior design.
>
> All that said, there's more to life than safety. Few would argue that
> motorcycles are safe, but they're fun, and many of us would rather live
> a short but enjoyable life, than a long one spent locked in a padded
> sterile bunker where we are "safe".
>
> The best way to survive an accident is to not get in one; drive
> sensibly, keep your eye on the road, stay off the phone, drive at a
> speed appropriate for the conditions, and keep the car in good
> mechanical order. Accidents do happen, and safety equipment will improve
> your chances, but nothing can protect you in all cases. Life involves
> some risk.



You make a good point... Defensive driving is more important than ever
considering that the driving public represents dumbed down individuals
who think all this modern gadgetry is gonna save 'em.

And when this stuff starts to go bad, it gets real expensive to repair.
I don't really see a cost vs. benefit advantage in the long run.

But... Let 'em pay those high monthly payments. I'll stick to my paid
for ancient tin...

JT


Jim Yanik 11-26-2008 08:07 AM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
news:Yn4Xk.43124$_Y1.1081@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:


> And, that good ol' SR-71 leaked fuel like a sieve until reaching
> altitude and speed. Still, nothing has been built to be its equal.


that we KNOW about;remember that the Blackbird flew for many years before
it became public knowledge.

(is Aurora it's replacement?)

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Grumpy AuContraire 11-27-2008 07:55 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 


Jim Yanik wrote:
> Grumpy AuContraire <Grumpy@ExtraGrumpyville.com> wrote in
> news:Yn4Xk.43124$_Y1.1081@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>
>>And, that good ol' SR-71 leaked fuel like a sieve until reaching
>>altitude and speed. Still, nothing has been built to be its equal.

>
>
> that we KNOW about;remember that the Blackbird flew for many years before
> it became public knowledge.
>
> (is Aurora it's replacement?)
>



Hard to say... Don't have Kelly Johnson's skunk works anymore. Hard to
keep things under wraps in this political correct world..

JT

Flatlander 12-13-2008 04:04 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>news:Xns9B5F4EF6228A7tegger@208.90.168.18:
>
>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>> news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:
>>
>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it shines
>>> about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course, don't work.
>>> I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght housing or some
>>> such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>
>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?

>>
>>
>>
>> Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or does
>> it have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?
>>
>>

>
>
>
>I just realized I have a service manual for the '88 CRX. It looks like that
>car has the same type of flush headlamps as other Hondas of the era.
>
>Your assembly likely has broken adjuster pins, which go into the plastic
>backing of the reflector. Impacts cause the pins to break off the
>reflector. There's no fix for this except to get a replacement headlamp
>from the wreckers.
>
>Why don't you remove the headlamp and have a good look at the pins? You
>need to remove the front bumper in order to get at the bottom two bolts of
>the headlamp assembly.


They're flush halogen headlamps. It turned out the pins weren't
broken. The headlamp flange that rides on the adjuster screw had
"pulled through", causing the headlamp to flop down. I suppose it
could have been repaired by straightening the bent flange. Since I'd
already gotten a new headlight housing from a salvage yard, I put that
in instead.

It was one of those jobs that took 2 hours but could be done again in
45 minutes. Not bad at all. Information I have from the manuals
isn't quite correct for the '87 model. If you know what you're doing,
you can remove two bolts and slide the bumper/bumper cover off as an
assembly. The side marker lamp assembly has to be removed to get
access to one of the bolts holding the headlight housing in.

It turned out to be much easier to remove the bumper cover first and
then pull the bumper off. It's just easier to see what's going on
when you do it that way. With the cover off, it's also a lot easier
to get the bumper aligned with the attachment holes when putting it
back together.

And, of course, there has to be at least one revolting development
when you do stuff like this. In my case, it was discovering that the
right hand CV joint has a tear in it. It must have happened in the
last 2 months, since it was ok when I changed oil in October. No
noises coming from the thing yet.

The car has 149,470 miles on it. CV joints were previously replaced
at 72,900 (LH) and 74,970 (RH). That was back in 1998. About normal
life for CV boots from what I hear.

Tegger 12-15-2008 12:36 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
news:7p58k49gu0mdg13uvad2sdchpe2d676t4n@4ax.com:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
> wrote:
>
>>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>>news:Xns9B5F4EF6228A7tegger@208.90.168.18:
>>
>>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>>> news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it
>>>> shines about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course,
>>>> don't work. I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght
>>>> housing or some such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or
>>> does it have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?
>>>
>>>

>>
>>
>>
>>I just realized I have a service manual for the '88 CRX. It looks like
>>that car has the same type of flush headlamps as other Hondas of the
>>era.
>>
>>Your assembly likely has broken adjuster pins, which go into the
>>plastic backing of the reflector. Impacts cause the pins to break off
>>the reflector. There's no fix for this except to get a replacement
>>headlamp from the wreckers.
>>
>>Why don't you remove the headlamp and have a good look at the pins?
>>You need to remove the front bumper in order to get at the bottom two
>>bolts of the headlamp assembly.

>
> They're flush halogen headlamps. It turned out the pins weren't
> broken. The headlamp flange that rides on the adjuster screw had
> "pulled through", causing the headlamp to flop down. I suppose it
> could have been repaired by straightening the bent flange. Since I'd
> already gotten a new headlight housing from a salvage yard, I put that
> in instead.
>
> It was one of those jobs that took 2 hours but could be done again in
> 45 minutes. Not bad at all. Information I have from the manuals
> isn't quite correct for the '87 model. If you know what you're doing,
> you can remove two bolts and slide the bumper/bumper cover off as an
> assembly. The side marker lamp assembly has to be removed to get
> access to one of the bolts holding the headlight housing in.
>
> It turned out to be much easier to remove the bumper cover first and
> then pull the bumper off. It's just easier to see what's going on
> when you do it that way. With the cover off, it's also a lot easier
> to get the bumper aligned with the attachment holes when putting it
> back together.
>
> And, of course, there has to be at least one revolting development
> when you do stuff like this. In my case, it was discovering that the
> right hand CV joint has a tear in it. It must have happened in the
> last 2 months, since it was ok when I changed oil in October. No
> noises coming from the thing yet.
>
> The car has 149,470 miles on it. CV joints were previously replaced
> at 72,900 (LH) and 74,970 (RH). That was back in 1998. About normal
> life for CV boots from what I hear.




Thanks for the update. should help others who may be Googling for the
same problem.

And that short boot life is typical of aftermarket boots. OEM ones last
about 8 years (much longer for the newest plastic ones), and take two
years or so to split from the first sign of cracking.


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Flatlander 12-15-2008 08:39 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:36:38 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote:

>Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>news:7p58k49gu0mdg13uvad2sdchpe2d676t4n@4ax.com :
>
>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 12:59:18 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
>>>news:Xns9B5F4EF6228A7tegger@208.90.168.18:
>>>
>>>> Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
>>>> news:p8ahi49o760l9j04r1m4fgg2hbdttlh0qu@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got an '87 CRX that has had something break in the headlight
>>>>> housing. The left headlight has tilted itself down so that it
>>>>> shines about 6' in front of the car. The adjusters, of course,
>>>>> don't work. I assume a spring, an attachment in the headlinght
>>>>> housing or some such thing has broken or come loose.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone been into this to know how big a job I'm in for? I'm
>>>>> pretty sure I've got to pull the front bumper to get access to the
>>>>> housing. Any other advice or things to watch out for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does this vehicle have the old-style rectangular sealed beams, or
>>>> does it have flush-type aerodynamic lenses?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I just realized I have a service manual for the '88 CRX. It looks like
>>>that car has the same type of flush headlamps as other Hondas of the
>>>era.
>>>
>>>Your assembly likely has broken adjuster pins, which go into the
>>>plastic backing of the reflector. Impacts cause the pins to break off
>>>the reflector. There's no fix for this except to get a replacement
>>>headlamp from the wreckers.
>>>
>>>Why don't you remove the headlamp and have a good look at the pins?
>>>You need to remove the front bumper in order to get at the bottom two
>>>bolts of the headlamp assembly.

>>
>> They're flush halogen headlamps. It turned out the pins weren't
>> broken. The headlamp flange that rides on the adjuster screw had
>> "pulled through", causing the headlamp to flop down. I suppose it
>> could have been repaired by straightening the bent flange. Since I'd
>> already gotten a new headlight housing from a salvage yard, I put that
>> in instead.
>>
>> It was one of those jobs that took 2 hours but could be done again in
>> 45 minutes. Not bad at all. Information I have from the manuals
>> isn't quite correct for the '87 model. If you know what you're doing,
>> you can remove two bolts and slide the bumper/bumper cover off as an
>> assembly. The side marker lamp assembly has to be removed to get
>> access to one of the bolts holding the headlight housing in.
>>
>> It turned out to be much easier to remove the bumper cover first and
>> then pull the bumper off. It's just easier to see what's going on
>> when you do it that way. With the cover off, it's also a lot easier
>> to get the bumper aligned with the attachment holes when putting it
>> back together.
>>
>> And, of course, there has to be at least one revolting development
>> when you do stuff like this. In my case, it was discovering that the
>> right hand CV joint has a tear in it. It must have happened in the
>> last 2 months, since it was ok when I changed oil in October. No
>> noises coming from the thing yet.
>>
>> The car has 149,470 miles on it. CV joints were previously replaced
>> at 72,900 (LH) and 74,970 (RH). That was back in 1998. About normal
>> life for CV boots from what I hear.

>
>
>
>Thanks for the update. should help others who may be Googling for the
>same problem.


Yeah, I've noticed a dearth of information on this issue in forums
other than here. Wish I had taken more pictures to document the work,
although it wasn't a big deal.

>And that short boot life is typical of aftermarket boots. OEM ones last
>about 8 years (much longer for the newest plastic ones), and take two
>years or so to split from the first sign of cracking.


Figures. I think I had these put on at Midas...or somewhere like
that. Before everyone attacks, it was the daughter's car at the
time. She was away at college. Only time I could get it was usually
Sundays. Midas was one of the few places open then. I'm not a fan of
the non-standard exhaust work they did on it, by the way...

Anyhow, thanks for the advice. I'll get the OEM boots put on.

Tegger 12-15-2008 09:02 PM

Re: CRX Headlights
 
Flatlander <flatlander47@cox.net> wrote in
news:cf1ek41f6q388t23eabtsdk6kfb2e7fdhe@4ax.com:


>
> Anyhow, thanks for the advice. I'll get the OEM boots put on.
>



Not much point in putting OEM boots on aftermarket joints. The joints
themselves are unlikely to last another 8 years. Besides, OEM boots are
expensive.

I'd just replace these boots with aftermarket ones.


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