Brian Smith

On 2/1/2010 3:19 AM, Dave D wrote:
>
> No, that has not been proven!!!! What has been proven is - that after a
> period of TRAINING a person will do as you say. Unfortunately, a goodly
> fraction of the vehicles on the road today are being operated by persons who
> have NEVER been trained in such a manner...That was my original point.

You aren't very good at making a believable point. What training do you
think it takes for a person to look straight ahead and see what is going
on around their vehicle and the gauges in a HUD?

jim beam

On 02/01/2010 03:00 AM, Brian Smith wrote:
> On 2/1/2010 3:19 AM, Dave D wrote:
>>
>> No, that has not been proven!!!! What has been proven is - that after a
>> period of TRAINING a person will do as you say. Unfortunately, a goodly
>> fraction of the vehicles on the road today are being operated by
>> persons who
>> have NEVER been trained in such a manner...That was my original point.
>
> You aren't very good at making a believable point. What training do you
> think it takes for a person to look straight ahead and see what is going
> on around their vehicle and the gauges in a HUD?


it's dangerous to not be looking straight ahead??? so evidently you're
the idiot that causes other people to have crashes because you never
check your mirrors. what a nimrod.

Guy

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 08:44:51 -0800, "Stewart" <gortamus@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Bob" <rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote in message
>news:hjsu8k$tka$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Hello,
>>
>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from
>> the various web sites.
>>
>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>
>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Spedometer.
>> Digital ?
>> Are they kidding !
>>
>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Spedometer.
>>
>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old
>> fashioned.
>>
>> So, let me ask:
>>
>> - do you folks "like" a digital Spedometer ?
>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>>
>> Any other 2010's have a digital Spedometer, or is the Civic the only
>> one ? Think this is a trend ?
>>
>> Any thoughts on this would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>
>I've seen a few digital speedometers...to busy for my tastes,
>especially at night. In my business, the last thing you want to see
>are numbers in a digital display constantly changing.
>


Agreed. For some reason (perhaps because I'm not used to it??)
digital gages stand out too much for me and too distracting when they
constantly flash new numbers. I found myself watching the mpg
digital gage the other day as I'm still getting used to a new CR-V. I
guess I'm getting old Not good because I need to watch the road
more like I do in my much older Accord.

Guy

On 31 Jan 2010 04:22:33 GMT, Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-01-30, Guy <void@void.com> wrote:
>> On 30 Jan 2010 06:51:48 GMT, Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I didn't say it did. What I DID say, though, was that my digital IS
>>>accurate, as tested by me. Repeatedly.
>>
>>
>> Just curious, how did you test it?
>
>2 Different GPS' as well as mile markers and time recording. All
>showed the exact same speed as each other during different tests, so I
>am confident in the speedo.


Thank you for satisfying my curiousity.

jim beam

On 01/30/2010 09:57 PM, Joe wrote:
> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 01/29/2010 10:51 PM, Joe wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 01/28/2010 01:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-01-28, Bob<rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from the
>>>>>> various web sites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Speedometer.
>>>>>> Digital ?
>>>>>> Are they kidding !
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Speedometer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old fashioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, let me ask:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - do you folks "like" a digital Speedometer ?
>>>>>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have an '06 Si. When I bought it, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or
>>>>> not, but it works great, is very accurate,
>>>>
>>>> digital != accurate. accuracy depends on calibration, tire wear, etc.
>>>> and modern dial gauges are driven by exactly the same integrator as digital.
>>>
>>> I didn't say it did. What I DID say, though, was that my digital IS
>>> accurate, as tested by me. Repeatedly.
>>>
>>
>> and what i'm saying is that there's no reason it would be any /more/
>> accurate than a dial gauge, especially not an electronic dial gauge
>> working off the same integrator.
>
> And what I'm saying, again, is that you're arguing against something
> that nobody said, just to try to sound like the smartest guy in the
> room, apparently.

no dude, you said, digital "is very accurate". that is not correct -
unless calibrated to a higher degree, it's no more accurate than any
other gauge.


>
>>
>> bottom line, lcd displays are cheaper these days. their use is simply
>> about bean counting, not accuracy.
>
> Bottom line, LCD displays are bright, easy to read, and easier to
> place in tight spots. They make sense, once you get past the
> nostalgia of it all.

"tight spots" on that honking great gap between the steering wheel and
windshield? no, lcd's are cheap. and that's it.


>

Dave D

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:hk6cd4$kk6$1@news.datemas.de...
> On 2/1/2010 3:19 AM, Dave D wrote:
>>
>> No, that has not been proven!!!! What has been proven is - that after a
>> period of TRAINING a person will do as you say. Unfortunately, a goodly
>> fraction of the vehicles on the road today are being operated by persons
>> who
>> have NEVER been trained in such a manner...That was my original point.
>
> You aren't very good at making a believable point. What training do you
> think it takes for a person to look straight ahead and see what is going
> on around their vehicle and the gauges in a HUD?

You aren't very good at comprehending an obvious point. How long and how
much training do you think it takes to qualify a fighter pilot? If you think
you are so qualified, I'm glad you aren't driving up here in Alaska with me.

DaveD

Brian Smith

On 2/2/2010 3:47 AM, Dave D wrote:
>
> You aren't very good at comprehending an obvious point. How long and how
> much training do you think it takes to qualify a fighter pilot? If you think
> you are so qualified, I'm glad you aren't driving up here in Alaska with me.

How much training do you think it takes to look through a windshield?
I'm so glad that you're way up there in the boonies out of the way of
traffic.

Joe

On 2010-02-02, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 01/30/2010 09:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 01/29/2010 10:51 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 01/28/2010 01:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>>> On 2010-01-28, Bob<rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from the
>>>>>>> various web sites.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Speedometer.
>>>>>>> Digital ?
>>>>>>> Are they kidding !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Speedometer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old fashioned.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, let me ask:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - do you folks "like" a digital Speedometer ?
>>>>>>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have an '06 Si. When I bought it, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or
>>>>>> not, but it works great, is very accurate,
>>>>>
>>>>> digital != accurate. accuracy depends on calibration, tire wear, etc.
>>>>> and modern dial gauges are driven by exactly the same integrator as digital.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't say it did. What I DID say, though, was that my digital IS
>>>> accurate, as tested by me. Repeatedly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> and what i'm saying is that there's no reason it would be any /more/
>>> accurate than a dial gauge, especially not an electronic dial gauge
>>> working off the same integrator.
>>
>> And what I'm saying, again, is that you're arguing against something
>> that nobody said, just to try to sound like the smartest guy in the
>> room, apparently.
>
> no dude, you said, digital "is very accurate". that is not correct -
> unless calibrated to a higher degree, it's no more accurate than any
> other gauge.

No, "dude", I said MY digital is very accurate. That is correct. I
claimed no comparison to any other gauge. That is you reading into
the statement and trying to make an argument out of it.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>> bottom line, lcd displays are cheaper these days. their use is simply
>>> about bean counting, not accuracy.
>>
>> Bottom line, LCD displays are bright, easy to read, and easier to
>> place in tight spots. They make sense, once you get past the
>> nostalgia of it all.
>
> "tight spots" on that honking great gap between the steering wheel and
> windshield? no, lcd's are cheap. and that's it.

Tight spots, as in put it anywhere they want. Just because Honda gave
it a large spot doesn't mean that it wouldn't work just as well in a
much smaller, tighter one.

--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Dillon Pyron

Thus spake Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com> :

>On 2010-01-28, Bob <rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from the
>> various web sites.
>>
>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>
>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Spedometer.
>> Digital ?
>> Are they kidding !
>>
>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Spedometer.
>>
>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old fashioned.
>>
>> So, let me ask:
>>
>> - do you folks "like" a digital Spedometer ?
>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>
>I have an '06 Si. When I bought it, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or
>not, but it works great, is very accurate, it's easy to read, and it
>doesn't jog up and down the way I expected. I also quickly got used
>to the placement, and have come to miss it in the Winter when I'm
>driving my truck.
>
>>
>> Any other 2010's have a digital Spedometer, or is the Civic the only one
>> ? Think this is a trend ?
>
>I'm sure there's plenty of other vehicles out there with digital
>speedo's. And yes, I'd expect the number will grow.

Do you find that it takes longer to process the speed reading? The
major advantage of analog is you only need to see the needle and know
where it is in relationship to where it "should" be or where you
"expected" it to be.

Way back in the olden days, guys used to line their tach up so the
theoretical shift point (2 rpm below redline) was vertical. Some road
racers would put a piece of tape at the rough downshift point. Now
it's all a bunch of little dots.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

I love my country, It's my government I fear.

Hey, turnabout's fair play.

Joe

On 2010-02-03, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> Thus spake Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com> :
>
>>On 2010-01-28, Bob <rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from the
>>> various web sites.
>>>
>>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>>
>>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Spedometer.
>>> Digital ?
>>> Are they kidding !
>>>
>>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Spedometer.
>>>
>>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old fashioned.
>>>
>>> So, let me ask:
>>>
>>> - do you folks "like" a digital Spedometer ?
>>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>>
>>I have an '06 Si. When I bought it, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or
>>not, but it works great, is very accurate, it's easy to read, and it
>>doesn't jog up and down the way I expected. I also quickly got used
>>to the placement, and have come to miss it in the Winter when I'm
>>driving my truck.
>>
>>>
>>> Any other 2010's have a digital Spedometer, or is the Civic the only one
>>> ? Think this is a trend ?
>>
>>I'm sure there's plenty of other vehicles out there with digital
>>speedo's. And yes, I'd expect the number will grow.
>
> Do you find that it takes longer to process the speed reading? The
> major advantage of analog is you only need to see the needle and know
> where it is in relationship to where it "should" be or where you
> "expected" it to be.

Not at all. It's smooth, but reads where I'd expect it to. I've
never had the feeling that it was behind at all.

>
> Way back in the olden days, guys used to line their tach up so the
> theoretical shift point (2 rpm below redline) was vertical. Some road
> racers would put a piece of tape at the rough downshift point. Now
> it's all a bunch of little dots.

When accelerating hard like that, I don't like to rely on a gauge at
all. I hardly ever look at them during hard accel or decel. It takes
a few months with a new car, but you eventually get to the point where
you feel and hear the shiftpoints, IMO.

The light on the Si is pretty well-behaved and useful, too. It comes
on at 8000 RPM, with an 8500 RPM Redline. I can remember a lot of
cars in the 80's and 90's that had the light come on more as an
economy thing, popping on when you were nowhere near the redline.
Those were useless.


--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

jim beam

On 02/02/2010 06:17 AM, Joe wrote:
> On 2010-02-02, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 01/30/2010 09:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>>> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 01/29/2010 10:51 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>> On 2010-01-30, jim beam<me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/28/2010 01:57 PM, Joe wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2010-01-28, Bob<rgsros@notme.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Haven't looked at them in showrooms yet, but have pulled up pix from the
>>>>>>>> various web sites.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thought I was interested in a 2010 Civic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first thing that caught my eye was the Speedometer.
>>>>>>>> Digital ?
>>>>>>>> Are they kidding !
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO, the one thing that should always be analog is the Speedometer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyway, am willing to admit that this possibly dates me as old fashioned.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, let me ask:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - do you folks "like" a digital Speedometer ?
>>>>>>>> - find that it is something you (just) get used to ? Or,...?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have an '06 Si. When I bought it, I wasn't sure if I'd like it or
>>>>>>> not, but it works great, is very accurate,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> digital != accurate. accuracy depends on calibration, tire wear, etc.
>>>>>> and modern dial gauges are driven by exactly the same integrator as digital.
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn't say it did. What I DID say, though, was that my digital IS
>>>>> accurate, as tested by me. Repeatedly.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and what i'm saying is that there's no reason it would be any /more/
>>>> accurate than a dial gauge, especially not an electronic dial gauge
>>>> working off the same integrator.
>>>
>>> And what I'm saying, again, is that you're arguing against something
>>> that nobody said, just to try to sound like the smartest guy in the
>>> room, apparently.
>>
>> no dude, you said, digital "is very accurate". that is not correct -
>> unless calibrated to a higher degree, it's no more accurate than any
>> other gauge.
>
> No, "dude", I said MY digital is very accurate. That is correct. I
> claimed no comparison to any other gauge.

that's not true - by definition, you /are/ comparing it.


> That is you reading into
> the statement and trying to make an argument out of it.

your "argument" is my pedantry. many people wrongly portray digital as
"accurate" when in reality, there's no greater accuracy whatsoever.


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> bottom line, lcd displays are cheaper these days. their use is simply
>>>> about bean counting, not accuracy.
>>>
>>> Bottom line, LCD displays are bright, easy to read, and easier to
>>> place in tight spots. They make sense, once you get past the
>>> nostalgia of it all.
>>
>> "tight spots" on that honking great gap between the steering wheel and
>> windshield? no, lcd's are cheap. and that's it.
>
> Tight spots, as in put it anywhere they want.

just like dial gauges you mean?


> Just because Honda gave
> it a large spot doesn't mean that it wouldn't work just as well in a
> much smaller, tighter one.

what vehicle /doesn't/ have a honking great gap between the steering
wheel and the windshield? seriously dude, you're way off base on this one.

Joe

On 2010-02-03, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 02/02/2010 06:17 AM, Joe wrote:
>>
>> No, "dude", I said MY digital is very accurate. That is correct. I
>> claimed no comparison to any other gauge.
>
> that's not true - by definition, you /are/ comparing it.

That's not true. You can say one thing is accurate without comparing
it to another. There's no need for comparison in the original context
of the question.

>
>
> > That is you reading into
>> the statement and trying to make an argument out of it.
>
> your "argument" is my pedantry. many people wrongly portray digital as
> "accurate" when in reality, there's no greater accuracy whatsoever.

I am not many people, and I made no such statement. It's no wonder
that so many people have you in their killfiles. The only real wonder
is why I took you out of mine.


--
Joe - Linux User #449481/Ubuntu User #19733
joe at hits - buffalo dot com
"Hate is baggage, life is too short to go around pissed off all the
time..." - Danny, American History X

Guy

On 03 Feb 2010 05:07:12 GMT, Joe <joe@spam.hits-spam-buffalo.com>
wrote:

>On 2010-02-03, jim beam <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 02/02/2010 06:17 AM, Joe wrote:
>>>
>>> No, "dude", I said MY digital is very accurate. That is correct. I
>>> claimed no comparison to any other gauge.
>>
>> that's not true - by definition, you /are/ comparing it.
>
>That's not true. You can say one thing is accurate without comparing
>it to another. There's no need for comparison in the original context
>of the question.
>
>>
>>
>> > That is you reading into
>>> the statement and trying to make an argument out of it.
>>
>> your "argument" is my pedantry. many people wrongly portray digital as
>> "accurate" when in reality, there's no greater accuracy whatsoever.
>
>I am not many people, and I made no such statement. It's no wonder
>that so many people have you in their killfiles. The only real wonder
>is why I took you out of mine.


I'm with you Joe about Jim Beam. He at times shows knowledge but his
personality gets in the way of that knowledge and often lessens the
value of many of his posts. Too often he resorts to name calling just
because someone doesn't see it his way. Normally I'd call this
immature but in his case, I think his problem is something else just
not sure what that is.

Dave D

"Brian Smith" <Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada> wrote in message
news:hk8v2f$48v$1@news.datemas.de...
> On 2/2/2010 3:47 AM, Dave D wrote:
>>
>> You aren't very good at comprehending an obvious point. How long and how
>> much training do you think it takes to qualify a fighter pilot? If you
>> think
>> you are so qualified, I'm glad you aren't driving up here in Alaska with
>> me.
>
> How much training do you think it takes to look through a windshield? I'm
> so glad that you're way up there in the boonies out of the way of traffic.
It would take much more than you are obviously capable of! I am glad I am
way up here safely away from crash headed idiots like you....

DaveD
>
>
>

Brian Smith

On 2/3/2010 4:08 AM, Dave D wrote:
>
> It would take much more than you are obviously capable of! I am glad I am
> way up here safely away from crash headed idiots like you....

Have a nice day there, Dave.