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I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
disclose it to the buyer?
It's different from state to state?
Thanks
comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
disclose it to the buyer?
It's different from state to state?
Thanks
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 GMT, "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote:
>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>disclose it to the buyer?
I know I've bought new cars which, on later examination, had obviously been
crunched in transportation - the truckers don't give a about your new
car. A Jetta I bought back in the '80s had a whole repaint of the left
front fender - I was really pissed about it but the dealer just shrugged
and said it had been repaired satisfactorily. When I saw our '92 Integra
just after it came off the truck, there were footprints in the wax
protectant on the tops of both bumpers. Other car close by which had come
in the same shipment all had the same footprints. Of course I checked it
carefully when I picked it up... after it had been cleaned up and
fortunately there was no trace of damage.
>It's different from state to state?
I dunno what the rules are but I don't think the dealers pay much attention
to them anyway.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>disclose it to the buyer?
I know I've bought new cars which, on later examination, had obviously been
crunched in transportation - the truckers don't give a about your new
car. A Jetta I bought back in the '80s had a whole repaint of the left
front fender - I was really pissed about it but the dealer just shrugged
and said it had been repaired satisfactorily. When I saw our '92 Integra
just after it came off the truck, there were footprints in the wax
protectant on the tops of both bumpers. Other car close by which had come
in the same shipment all had the same footprints. Of course I checked it
carefully when I picked it up... after it had been cleaned up and
fortunately there was no trace of damage.
>It's different from state to state?
I dunno what the rules are but I don't think the dealers pay much attention
to them anyway.
Rgds, George Macdonald
"Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
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George G <aol@aol.com> wrote:
> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> disclose it to the buyer?
A co-worker was waiting for a salesman to come back from some remote
storage lot with a Honda for a test drive. After a while he was told that
"his" car had been involved in an accident and wasn't available. That was
the last one of whatever particular blend that he wanted, so he was a bit
bummed. He was ready to buy.
I suggested that he negotiate with them about a price break on accepting
the repaired car, which had hood and fender damage. They weren't
interested in a special deal, which leads me to believe that they were
going to repair it and sell it without a discount to someone who didn't
know about the damage.
I recall that Hertz Rental used car sales had a limit of $3000 before
damage had to be revealed, but I don't recall if that was specific to
rental car agencies or even law at all, as opposed to Hertz policy.
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5
> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> disclose it to the buyer?
A co-worker was waiting for a salesman to come back from some remote
storage lot with a Honda for a test drive. After a while he was told that
"his" car had been involved in an accident and wasn't available. That was
the last one of whatever particular blend that he wanted, so he was a bit
bummed. He was ready to buy.
I suggested that he negotiate with them about a price break on accepting
the repaired car, which had hood and fender damage. They weren't
interested in a special deal, which leads me to believe that they were
going to repair it and sell it without a discount to someone who didn't
know about the damage.
I recall that Hertz Rental used car sales had a limit of $3000 before
damage had to be revealed, but I don't recall if that was specific to
rental car agencies or even law at all, as opposed to Hertz policy.
--
---
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley (Lake County) CA USA 38.8-122.5
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I'm not sure if the dealers would say anything unless the buyer brought it
up. It is up to the buyer to inspect the car completely before he/she
drives it off of the lot. Once it leaves the dealership it can be very
difficult to get some thing fixed properly. I am going through an almost
year long battle with American Honda over a paint problem with my new 03
Accord. The problem wasn't visible at the time of the walk around, but was
real noticeable the next day. Had I noticed these problems at the time of
delivery I probably wouldn't accepted the car and waited for another one.
It is a whole different bag of worms after you drive the car of the lot
though. This was my sixth Honda and probably my last.
"George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:NjSSa.6138$KZ.2918849@news1.news.adelphia.net ...
> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when
it
> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer
to
> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> disclose it to the buyer?
>
> It's different from state to state?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
up. It is up to the buyer to inspect the car completely before he/she
drives it off of the lot. Once it leaves the dealership it can be very
difficult to get some thing fixed properly. I am going through an almost
year long battle with American Honda over a paint problem with my new 03
Accord. The problem wasn't visible at the time of the walk around, but was
real noticeable the next day. Had I noticed these problems at the time of
delivery I probably wouldn't accepted the car and waited for another one.
It is a whole different bag of worms after you drive the car of the lot
though. This was my sixth Honda and probably my last.
"George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote in message
news:NjSSa.6138$KZ.2918849@news1.news.adelphia.net ...
> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when
it
> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer
to
> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> disclose it to the buyer?
>
> It's different from state to state?
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
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I have the same problem.........
"Jerry Belluomini" <gabellu@sandia.gov> wrote in message
news:bfjeiv$lmd$1@sass2141.sandia.gov...
> I'm not sure if the dealers would say anything unless the buyer brought it
> up. It is up to the buyer to inspect the car completely before he/she
> drives it off of the lot. Once it leaves the dealership it can be very
> difficult to get some thing fixed properly. I am going through an almost
> year long battle with American Honda over a paint problem with my new 03
> Accord. The problem wasn't visible at the time of the walk around, but
was
> real noticeable the next day. Had I noticed these problems at the time of
> delivery I probably wouldn't accepted the car and waited for another one.
> It is a whole different bag of worms after you drive the car of the lot
> though. This was my sixth Honda and probably my last.
> "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:NjSSa.6138$KZ.2918849@news1.news.adelphia.net ...
> > I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched
when
> it
> > comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the
dealer
> to
> > fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> > disclose it to the buyer?
> >
> > It's different from state to state?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
"Jerry Belluomini" <gabellu@sandia.gov> wrote in message
news:bfjeiv$lmd$1@sass2141.sandia.gov...
> I'm not sure if the dealers would say anything unless the buyer brought it
> up. It is up to the buyer to inspect the car completely before he/she
> drives it off of the lot. Once it leaves the dealership it can be very
> difficult to get some thing fixed properly. I am going through an almost
> year long battle with American Honda over a paint problem with my new 03
> Accord. The problem wasn't visible at the time of the walk around, but
was
> real noticeable the next day. Had I noticed these problems at the time of
> delivery I probably wouldn't accepted the car and waited for another one.
> It is a whole different bag of worms after you drive the car of the lot
> though. This was my sixth Honda and probably my last.
> "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:NjSSa.6138$KZ.2918849@news1.news.adelphia.net ...
> > I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched
when
> it
> > comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the
dealer
> to
> > fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
> > disclose it to the buyer?
> >
> > It's different from state to state?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Disclosure
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 20:28:16 +0000 (UTC), dold@Disclosure.usenet.us.com wrote:
|George G <aol@aol.com> wrote:
|> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
|> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
|> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
|> disclose it to the buyer?
|
|A co-worker was waiting for a salesman to come back from some remote
|storage lot with a Honda for a test drive. After a while he was told that
|"his" car had been involved in an accident and wasn't available. That was
|the last one of whatever particular blend that he wanted, so he was a bit
|bummed. He was ready to buy.
|
|I suggested that he negotiate with them about a price break on accepting
|the repaired car, which had hood and fender damage. They weren't
|interested in a special deal, which leads me to believe that they were
|going to repair it and sell it without a discount to someone who didn't
|know about the damage.
I think there is a federal law about this. Chrysler (?) got into big trouble
with this sometime back. Once it's on the lot, if it gets damaged and requires
$X in repairs, it must be disclosed. Apologies to the OP, I don't know what
that threshold is.
|George G <aol@aol.com> wrote:
|> I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
|> comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
|> fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
|> disclose it to the buyer?
|
|A co-worker was waiting for a salesman to come back from some remote
|storage lot with a Honda for a test drive. After a while he was told that
|"his" car had been involved in an accident and wasn't available. That was
|the last one of whatever particular blend that he wanted, so he was a bit
|bummed. He was ready to buy.
|
|I suggested that he negotiate with them about a price break on accepting
|the repaired car, which had hood and fender damage. They weren't
|interested in a special deal, which leads me to believe that they were
|going to repair it and sell it without a discount to someone who didn't
|know about the damage.
I think there is a federal law about this. Chrysler (?) got into big trouble
with this sometime back. Once it's on the lot, if it gets damaged and requires
$X in repairs, it must be disclosed. Apologies to the OP, I don't know what
that threshold is.
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Hi,
Guess, you'll have to define damage. Little paint chip is damage?
Little ding is damage? Where you draw the line?
If I were that Beemer buyer, I'd define the car as Lemon with bent
frame. I wouldn't care how frame got damaged. I'd just demand
replacement which does not have bent frame. I am an engineer, I
don't know anything about law. Sounds like dealer did it no the
BMW America. Must've hired a bum lawyer losing the suit.
Tony
news30spam@earthlink.net wrote:
> BMW sold a car that fell off a delivery truck and bent the frame and
> body extensively without disclosing this to the buyer. The buyer sued
> and lost; court said that the car was "new" and never titled.
>
> When I bought my new Civic, I wrote into the contract that I was
> buying a new, "never damaged" auto. If I later found damage I would
> have had grounds for rescinding the purchase contract. I recommend
> that everyone add "never damaged" the the purchase contract for a new
> car.
>
> Stephen, never played an attorney on TV but did graduate a real law
> school. I am not licensed in your state and will not respond to legal
> questions.
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 GMT, "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>>disclose it to the buyer?
>>
>>It's different from state to state?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Guess, you'll have to define damage. Little paint chip is damage?
Little ding is damage? Where you draw the line?
If I were that Beemer buyer, I'd define the car as Lemon with bent
frame. I wouldn't care how frame got damaged. I'd just demand
replacement which does not have bent frame. I am an engineer, I
don't know anything about law. Sounds like dealer did it no the
BMW America. Must've hired a bum lawyer losing the suit.
Tony
news30spam@earthlink.net wrote:
> BMW sold a car that fell off a delivery truck and bent the frame and
> body extensively without disclosing this to the buyer. The buyer sued
> and lost; court said that the car was "new" and never titled.
>
> When I bought my new Civic, I wrote into the contract that I was
> buying a new, "never damaged" auto. If I later found damage I would
> have had grounds for rescinding the purchase contract. I recommend
> that everyone add "never damaged" the the purchase contract for a new
> car.
>
> Stephen, never played an attorney on TV but did graduate a real law
> school. I am not licensed in your state and will not respond to legal
> questions.
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 GMT, "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>>disclose it to the buyer?
>>
>>It's different from state to state?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Disclosure
Hi,
Guess, you'll have to define damage. Little paint chip is damage?
Little ding is damage? Where you draw the line?
If I were that Beemer buyer, I'd define the car as Lemon with bent
frame. I wouldn't care how frame got damaged. I'd just demand
replacement which does not have bent frame. I am an engineer, I
don't know anything about law. Sounds like dealer did it no the
BMW America. Must've hired a bum lawyer losing the suit.
Tony
news30spam@earthlink.net wrote:
> BMW sold a car that fell off a delivery truck and bent the frame and
> body extensively without disclosing this to the buyer. The buyer sued
> and lost; court said that the car was "new" and never titled.
>
> When I bought my new Civic, I wrote into the contract that I was
> buying a new, "never damaged" auto. If I later found damage I would
> have had grounds for rescinding the purchase contract. I recommend
> that everyone add "never damaged" the the purchase contract for a new
> car.
>
> Stephen, never played an attorney on TV but did graduate a real law
> school. I am not licensed in your state and will not respond to legal
> questions.
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 GMT, "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>>disclose it to the buyer?
>>
>>It's different from state to state?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
Guess, you'll have to define damage. Little paint chip is damage?
Little ding is damage? Where you draw the line?
If I were that Beemer buyer, I'd define the car as Lemon with bent
frame. I wouldn't care how frame got damaged. I'd just demand
replacement which does not have bent frame. I am an engineer, I
don't know anything about law. Sounds like dealer did it no the
BMW America. Must've hired a bum lawyer losing the suit.
Tony
news30spam@earthlink.net wrote:
> BMW sold a car that fell off a delivery truck and bent the frame and
> body extensively without disclosing this to the buyer. The buyer sued
> and lost; court said that the car was "new" and never titled.
>
> When I bought my new Civic, I wrote into the contract that I was
> buying a new, "never damaged" auto. If I later found damage I would
> have had grounds for rescinding the purchase contract. I recommend
> that everyone add "never damaged" the the purchase contract for a new
> car.
>
> Stephen, never played an attorney on TV but did graduate a real law
> school. I am not licensed in your state and will not respond to legal
> questions.
>
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 13:58:05 GMT, "George G" <aol@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm sure there are times when let's say a new vehicle gets scratched when it
>>comes of the transport or has a minor issue like that requires the dealer to
>>fix it. Anyone knows what the amount is over which, the dealer was to
>>disclose it to the buyer?
>>
>>It's different from state to state?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Disclosure
I use to sell cars for one of M. Jordans car lots in North Carolina
and in NC at least, you had 3 days to bring a new car back and get
your money back. In the case of BMW selling you a car with frame
damage (BAD!) I would suggest the next time any of you get into this
situation is to go down to city hall and get a permit to protest and
then stand out in front of the dealership on the city owned side walk
and make a BIG sign informing people of your problem.Don't say
dealership X sucks,(possible slander lawsuit) just tell people your
problem in big black letters. Biz will drop like a rock for that
dealership and they will resolve the issue with you. Also have someone
video tape your protest just in case some employee at the dealership
wants to get physical with you.( you will have a great lawsuit if they
do) I say this because we had a guy protest in front of our dealership
one sunny weekend and biz dropped through the floor. Our GM resolved
the matter with this guy monday morning. The sales manager should have
given the guys money back on friday, we shold him a pretty piece of
dodge durango and the trans ed up on it the night he bought
it. I hated working at that place.
and in NC at least, you had 3 days to bring a new car back and get
your money back. In the case of BMW selling you a car with frame
damage (BAD!) I would suggest the next time any of you get into this
situation is to go down to city hall and get a permit to protest and
then stand out in front of the dealership on the city owned side walk
and make a BIG sign informing people of your problem.Don't say
dealership X sucks,(possible slander lawsuit) just tell people your
problem in big black letters. Biz will drop like a rock for that
dealership and they will resolve the issue with you. Also have someone
video tape your protest just in case some employee at the dealership
wants to get physical with you.( you will have a great lawsuit if they
do) I say this because we had a guy protest in front of our dealership
one sunny weekend and biz dropped through the floor. Our GM resolved
the matter with this guy monday morning. The sales manager should have
given the guys money back on friday, we shold him a pretty piece of
dodge durango and the trans ed up on it the night he bought
it. I hated working at that place.
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Re: Disclosure
I use to sell cars for one of M. Jordans car lots in North Carolina
and in NC at least, you had 3 days to bring a new car back and get
your money back. In the case of BMW selling you a car with frame
damage (BAD!) I would suggest the next time any of you get into this
situation is to go down to city hall and get a permit to protest and
then stand out in front of the dealership on the city owned side walk
and make a BIG sign informing people of your problem.Don't say
dealership X sucks,(possible slander lawsuit) just tell people your
problem in big black letters. Biz will drop like a rock for that
dealership and they will resolve the issue with you. Also have someone
video tape your protest just in case some employee at the dealership
wants to get physical with you.( you will have a great lawsuit if they
do) I say this because we had a guy protest in front of our dealership
one sunny weekend and biz dropped through the floor. Our GM resolved
the matter with this guy monday morning. The sales manager should have
given the guys money back on friday, we shold him a pretty piece of
dodge durango and the trans ed up on it the night he bought
it. I hated working at that place.
and in NC at least, you had 3 days to bring a new car back and get
your money back. In the case of BMW selling you a car with frame
damage (BAD!) I would suggest the next time any of you get into this
situation is to go down to city hall and get a permit to protest and
then stand out in front of the dealership on the city owned side walk
and make a BIG sign informing people of your problem.Don't say
dealership X sucks,(possible slander lawsuit) just tell people your
problem in big black letters. Biz will drop like a rock for that
dealership and they will resolve the issue with you. Also have someone
video tape your protest just in case some employee at the dealership
wants to get physical with you.( you will have a great lawsuit if they
do) I say this because we had a guy protest in front of our dealership
one sunny weekend and biz dropped through the floor. Our GM resolved
the matter with this guy monday morning. The sales manager should have
given the guys money back on friday, we shold him a pretty piece of
dodge durango and the trans ed up on it the night he bought
it. I hated working at that place.
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