Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:15:22 -0700, halo2 guy wrote:

> get it fixed
>
....let them make some money
;)



> "Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in
> message news:0b49e0e98c2f40289f66fa69f1f70988@CarKB.com...
>>I took my 91 CRX HF to get it Emmission tested and when the guy handed
>>me
>> my money back, I knew I was in trouble. especially when he said
>> "sweetheart, there's no exhaust coming out of your tailpipe at all" ok,
>> long story short and $500 later (every pipe from the manifold back was
>> rusted through and there was NO bottom left to the muffler) Anyway, the
>> shop said that my rt frt strut was gone, and the other three are barely
>> holding on. So are struts really that important???? $800 important???
>> I just put in a new clutch for $400 and now the exhaust. the car has
>> 206,000
>> miles on it and truthfully is in great running condition. still get
>> 45-50 miles to the gallon, but I don't know if I can justify spending
>> $800 on struts, again, how important are they really? I know I'm being
>> such a girl, sorry...
>>
>> --
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Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

On Wed, 06 Apr 2005 16:15:22 -0700, halo2 guy wrote:

> get it fixed
>
....let them make some money
;)



> "Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@nospam.CarKB.com> wrote in
> message news:0b49e0e98c2f40289f66fa69f1f70988@CarKB.com...
>>I took my 91 CRX HF to get it Emmission tested and when the guy handed
>>me
>> my money back, I knew I was in trouble. especially when he said
>> "sweetheart, there's no exhaust coming out of your tailpipe at all" ok,
>> long story short and $500 later (every pipe from the manifold back was
>> rusted through and there was NO bottom left to the muffler) Anyway, the
>> shop said that my rt frt strut was gone, and the other three are barely
>> holding on. So are struts really that important???? $800 important???
>> I just put in a new clutch for $400 and now the exhaust. the car has
>> 206,000
>> miles on it and truthfully is in great running condition. still get
>> 45-50 miles to the gallon, but I don't know if I can justify spending
>> $800 on struts, again, how important are they really? I know I'm being
>> such a girl, sorry...
>>
>> --
>> Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

It has struts and I recommend you go to an autoparts store and buy Monroe
Sensatrac for the front. Then call around for the cheapest price on getting
them installed. Your old car will be riding great with them. :)
"TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns963165BB48F8tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in
> news:e6236e3264294c00a32d2b7c88c0b50b@CarKB.com:
>
>> Wow, thanks for all the responses, lets see, they said that it has
>> struts, not shocks...
>
>
> Wrong.
>
>
>> that the struts and mounts need to be replaced,
>
>
> Proof please.
>
> The fronts are upper A-arm, lower control arm, radius rod, and coil-over
> shock assemblies with fork beneath to get around the driveshafts.
>
> Rears are trailing arm, lower control arm, upper arm, compensator arm, and
> coil-over shock assembly.
>
> Honda suspensions in 1991 were complicated, part of their sales pitch
> then,
> along with references to Honda's Formula-1 racing involvement.
>
>
>
>> and when I brake (soft or hard) the car shakes (as well as the
>> steering wheel and the brake pedal)
>
>
> Brake rotors are first culprits here, tires next, shocks last. Worn/torn
> bushings can also cause vibration.
>
> Please let us know what your guy says.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>

Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

It has struts and I recommend you go to an autoparts store and buy Monroe
Sensatrac for the front. Then call around for the cheapest price on getting
them installed. Your old car will be riding great with them. :)
"TeGGer®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message
news:Xns963165BB48F8tegger@207.14.113.17...
> "Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in
> news:e6236e3264294c00a32d2b7c88c0b50b@CarKB.com:
>
>> Wow, thanks for all the responses, lets see, they said that it has
>> struts, not shocks...
>
>
> Wrong.
>
>
>> that the struts and mounts need to be replaced,
>
>
> Proof please.
>
> The fronts are upper A-arm, lower control arm, radius rod, and coil-over
> shock assemblies with fork beneath to get around the driveshafts.
>
> Rears are trailing arm, lower control arm, upper arm, compensator arm, and
> coil-over shock assembly.
>
> Honda suspensions in 1991 were complicated, part of their sales pitch
> then,
> along with references to Honda's Formula-1 racing involvement.
>
>
>
>> and when I brake (soft or hard) the car shakes (as well as the
>> steering wheel and the brake pedal)
>
>
> Brake rotors are first culprits here, tires next, shocks last. Worn/torn
> bushings can also cause vibration.
>
> Please let us know what your guy says.
>
>
> --
> TeGGeR®
>
> The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
> www.tegger.com/hondafaq/
>

Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

Well, I finally got my guy to look at my car... I need both front rotors
replaced. He said you can call them shocks or struts, they're really not
either and they are both. He said that they are more complicated than that
and have been known to be called shocks by some and struts by others,
either way, my right front whatever is completely damaged, when you push on
it it doesn't bounce at ALL - just kind of hits bottom. The other three
are leaking. He is going to replace the two front whatever they are and
leave the back two for later either when I can afford them, or they get
worse. But thanks for all the advice, I'm glad I waited for him to look at
the car for me :)

Beth

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Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

Well, I finally got my guy to look at my car... I need both front rotors
replaced. He said you can call them shocks or struts, they're really not
either and they are both. He said that they are more complicated than that
and have been known to be called shocks by some and struts by others,
either way, my right front whatever is completely damaged, when you push on
it it doesn't bounce at ALL - just kind of hits bottom. The other three
are leaking. He is going to replace the two front whatever they are and
leave the back two for later either when I can afford them, or they get
worse. But thanks for all the advice, I'm glad I waited for him to look at
the car for me :)

Beth

--
Message posted via http://www.carkb.com

Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

"Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in
news:c04e3d95ed224415ad0b24753f69eae3@CarKB.com:

> Well, I finally got my guy to look at my car... I need both front
> rotors replaced. He said you can call them shocks or struts, they're
> really not either and they are both. He said that they are more
> complicated than that and have been known to be called shocks by some
> and struts by others,


Whatever they're called, you established that they're actually bad, so
that's settled.

As far as terminology goes, he's still wrong.

A superb link for those interested:
http://tinyurl.com/4mzwo
(Will take you to The Suspension Bible)

-----------------

A shock absorber is part of any suspension of any design. This is the part
that is bad on your car. (We could get pedantic here and point out that
"shock absorber" is an incorrect term for what is functionally a rebound
damper, but that's another subject).

Shock absorbers can be stand-alone, as they are on most pickup trucks, and
on many older rear-wheel-drive cars, or they may be incorporated with other
components.

If the shock is a stand-alone, it has no structural role in keeping the
wheels pointed in the correct direction. (Not counting axle-tramp here.)

Your car has the shock absorber placed into a tube that also incorporates
the spring seat. This is often called a "coil-over-shock" assembly. Like
the stand-alone shock, it also has no structural role in keeping the wheels
pointed in the correct direction.

A MacPherson (or a Chapman) strut is a type of suspension component that
combines a structural member, a spring seat, and a shock absorber in one
unit. It has two of the structural points in the suspension's geometry that
keep the wheels pointed in the correct direction.

You cannot call something a "strut" which is not responsible for location
of the wheels.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: Do I really need Struts?
 

"Elizabeth Kennedy via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote in
news:c04e3d95ed224415ad0b24753f69eae3@CarKB.com:

> Well, I finally got my guy to look at my car... I need both front
> rotors replaced. He said you can call them shocks or struts, they're
> really not either and they are both. He said that they are more
> complicated than that and have been known to be called shocks by some
> and struts by others,


Whatever they're called, you established that they're actually bad, so
that's settled.

As far as terminology goes, he's still wrong.

A superb link for those interested:
http://tinyurl.com/4mzwo
(Will take you to The Suspension Bible)

-----------------

A shock absorber is part of any suspension of any design. This is the part
that is bad on your car. (We could get pedantic here and point out that
"shock absorber" is an incorrect term for what is functionally a rebound
damper, but that's another subject).

Shock absorbers can be stand-alone, as they are on most pickup trucks, and
on many older rear-wheel-drive cars, or they may be incorporated with other
components.

If the shock is a stand-alone, it has no structural role in keeping the
wheels pointed in the correct direction. (Not counting axle-tramp here.)

Your car has the shock absorber placed into a tube that also incorporates
the spring seat. This is often called a "coil-over-shock" assembly. Like
the stand-alone shock, it also has no structural role in keeping the wheels
pointed in the correct direction.

A MacPherson (or a Chapman) strut is a type of suspension component that
combines a structural member, a spring seat, and a shock absorber in one
unit. It has two of the structural points in the suspension's geometry that
keep the wheels pointed in the correct direction.

You cannot call something a "strut" which is not responsible for location
of the wheels.

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/