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Mel 11-23-2004 11:55 PM

Engine Durability
 
I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
lifespan of their engines?

How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?

Thanks in advance!

Harvey J Cohen 11-24-2004 12:15 AM

Re: Engine Durability
 
In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >, Mel
<melindenver@msn.com> wrote:

> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>


I've had Honda or Acura cars for over 20 years. I recently gave away
my 1990 Acura Legend after 315K miles. The engine was starting,
alas, to fail.

> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>


I can't quote any personal experience, but the reports I've seen give
the Civic hybrid good marks.

--
Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D.
-------

"The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make
sense." - Tom Clancy

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Harvey J Cohen 11-24-2004 12:15 AM

Re: Engine Durability
 
In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >, Mel
<melindenver@msn.com> wrote:

> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>


I've had Honda or Acura cars for over 20 years. I recently gave away
my 1990 Acura Legend after 315K miles. The engine was starting,
alas, to fail.

> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>


I can't quote any personal experience, but the reports I've seen give
the Civic hybrid good marks.

--
Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D.
-------

"The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make
sense." - Tom Clancy

------------------------------------------------------------------

Bill Freeman 11-24-2004 01:22 AM

Re: Engine Durability
 
Consumer Reports Annual Auto Guide & April, 200? auto buying guide
issue.

"Mel" <melindenver@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.c om...
> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!






Bill Freeman 11-24-2004 01:22 AM

Re: Engine Durability
 
Consumer Reports Annual Auto Guide & April, 200? auto buying guide
issue.

"Mel" <melindenver@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.c om...
> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!






Jason 11-24-2004 07:07 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >,
melindenver@msn.com (Mel) wrote:

> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!


I don't have the figures in front of me but have read various articles in
car magazines related to this subject. Those articles clearly say that
Honda cars are well built and last much longer there cars built by other
companies--especially American car companies. Those same articles have
great things to say about cars built by Toyota.

It's obvious that you must take care of any car you buy by following the
recommendations in the manuals that come with all new cars.

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Jason 11-24-2004 07:07 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >,
melindenver@msn.com (Mel) wrote:

> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!


I don't have the figures in front of me but have read various articles in
car magazines related to this subject. Those articles clearly say that
Honda cars are well built and last much longer there cars built by other
companies--especially American car companies. Those same articles have
great things to say about cars built by Toyota.

It's obvious that you must take care of any car you buy by following the
recommendations in the manuals that come with all new cars.

--
NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO
We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice.
We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people.




Michael Pardee 11-24-2004 08:30 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
I don't know about the Civic Hybrid, but the Honda engines themselves are
good for at least 200K miles *with the prescribed maintenance.*
My daughter's '93 Accord LX has 210K miles and is still doing great. It
could have been different, though - we bought it at 163K and the owner
didn't know the timing belt should have been changed at 90K. He kept up with
the oil changes, though, so the engine was still in good condition - he was
just lucky the timing belt held out that long. A friend traded in her Accord
(didn't notice what year) when the A/C compressor went out at more than 200K
miles. She is a WAN engineer making over $100K/year, so it wasn't like she
was going to wring the last bit of life out of the car.

Mike

"Mel" <melindenver@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.c om...
> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!




Michael Pardee 11-24-2004 08:30 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
I don't know about the Civic Hybrid, but the Honda engines themselves are
good for at least 200K miles *with the prescribed maintenance.*
My daughter's '93 Accord LX has 210K miles and is still doing great. It
could have been different, though - we bought it at 163K and the owner
didn't know the timing belt should have been changed at 90K. He kept up with
the oil changes, though, so the engine was still in good condition - he was
just lucky the timing belt held out that long. A friend traded in her Accord
(didn't notice what year) when the A/C compressor went out at more than 200K
miles. She is a WAN engineer making over $100K/year, so it wasn't like she
was going to wring the last bit of life out of the car.

Mike

"Mel" <melindenver@msn.com> wrote in message
news:3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.c om...
> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
> lifespan of their engines?
>
> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>
> Thanks in advance!




entropy2002 11-25-2004 03:51 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
Hi Harvey,

I just bought a new Accord and for a point of reference would you mind
telling me how often you changed the oil on your 90 Legend? Ichange my oil
every 3k miles, but if you do yours less frequently and got 315k out of it,
I might consider changing my oil a bit less often.

Thanks,
Entropy

"Harvey J Cohen" <hjcohen@adelphia.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
news:231120042115149261%hjcohen@adelphia.NOSPAMnet ...
> In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >, Mel
> <melindenver@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
>> lifespan of their engines?
>>

>
> I've had Honda or Acura cars for over 20 years. I recently gave away
> my 1990 Acura Legend after 315K miles. The engine was starting,
> alas, to fail.
>
>> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>>

>
> I can't quote any personal experience, but the reports I've seen give
> the Civic hybrid good marks.
>
> --
> Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D.
> -------
>
> "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make
> sense." - Tom Clancy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------




entropy2002 11-25-2004 03:51 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
Hi Harvey,

I just bought a new Accord and for a point of reference would you mind
telling me how often you changed the oil on your 90 Legend? Ichange my oil
every 3k miles, but if you do yours less frequently and got 315k out of it,
I might consider changing my oil a bit less often.

Thanks,
Entropy

"Harvey J Cohen" <hjcohen@adelphia.NOSPAMnet> wrote in message
news:231120042115149261%hjcohen@adelphia.NOSPAMnet ...
> In article <3c1a428a.0411232055.745dc0a6@posting.google.com >, Mel
> <melindenver@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
>> lifespan of their engines?
>>

>
> I've had Honda or Acura cars for over 20 years. I recently gave away
> my 1990 Acura Legend after 315K miles. The engine was starting,
> alas, to fail.
>
>> How is their Civic Hybrid performing? How reliable is it?
>>

>
> I can't quote any personal experience, but the reports I've seen give
> the Civic hybrid good marks.
>
> --
> Harvey J. Cohen, Ph. D.
> -------
>
> "The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make
> sense." - Tom Clancy
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------




bb 11-25-2004 08:41 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
On 23 Nov 2004 20:55:55 -0800, melindenver@msn.com (Mel) wrote:

>I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
>lifespan of their engines?


We've now got over 86 miles on our 05 CRV SE and haven't had a single
problem.

bb



bb 11-25-2004 08:41 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
On 23 Nov 2004 20:55:55 -0800, melindenver@msn.com (Mel) wrote:

>I'm considering buying a new Honda. Can anyone tell me the approximate
>lifespan of their engines?


We've now got over 86 miles on our 05 CRV SE and haven't had a single
problem.

bb



kiselink@mindspring.com 11-25-2004 09:51 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
..
>I don't have the figures in front of me but have read various articles in
>car magazines related to this subject. Those articles clearly say that
>Honda cars are well built and last much longer there cars built by other
>companies--especially American car companies. Those same articles have
>great things to say about cars built by Toyota.


Check over the resale values and you will find that Accords depreciate
more slowly than Camrys and both depreciate less than many (all?)
american made cars.

This fact alone of course does not imply that the cars are substantive
better, but it is an indicator.

My long time mechanic shop did a search through their maintenance
records stored on the computer and concluded that they made the vast
majority of their money from making repairs from american cars and
that there customers who had Hondas and Toyotas needed the least
repair. They didn't like any of the other Japanese cars (in terms of
the repair history) - so they said to me.

Doing my own maintenance, I concluded that the Accord is more
serviceable than the Camry. Its little things! For example, if you
change the trannie fluid, a lot of the dirty fluid doesn't drain in
the Camry where as in the Accord, just a bit is left. I find the
Camry factory service manual much harder to understand as compared to
the Accord. Although the Camry can turn a tighter radius, it feels
like its too tight and that the car shouldn't allow so tight a turn.
Perhaps related is the fact that I have had to replace two steering
pumps and the rack in the camry. The little flanges that stick out of
the bottom - where you put the jack to change tires (and according to
the factory service manual where you are suppose to put the jack
stands), look like they are stronger and thicker on the Honda. I
haven't figured out how to replace the lamp behind the air
conditioning control panel on the dash in the Camry (and I once had an
estimate that it would cost $50 in labor).

The camry has lots of techi/comfort features (like mine turns off
headlights automatically when you open door, the car sits higher and
is easier to get in and out, tight turning radius, etc).


kiselink@mindspring.com 11-25-2004 09:51 PM

Re: Engine Durability
 
..
>I don't have the figures in front of me but have read various articles in
>car magazines related to this subject. Those articles clearly say that
>Honda cars are well built and last much longer there cars built by other
>companies--especially American car companies. Those same articles have
>great things to say about cars built by Toyota.


Check over the resale values and you will find that Accords depreciate
more slowly than Camrys and both depreciate less than many (all?)
american made cars.

This fact alone of course does not imply that the cars are substantive
better, but it is an indicator.

My long time mechanic shop did a search through their maintenance
records stored on the computer and concluded that they made the vast
majority of their money from making repairs from american cars and
that there customers who had Hondas and Toyotas needed the least
repair. They didn't like any of the other Japanese cars (in terms of
the repair history) - so they said to me.

Doing my own maintenance, I concluded that the Accord is more
serviceable than the Camry. Its little things! For example, if you
change the trannie fluid, a lot of the dirty fluid doesn't drain in
the Camry where as in the Accord, just a bit is left. I find the
Camry factory service manual much harder to understand as compared to
the Accord. Although the Camry can turn a tighter radius, it feels
like its too tight and that the car shouldn't allow so tight a turn.
Perhaps related is the fact that I have had to replace two steering
pumps and the rack in the camry. The little flanges that stick out of
the bottom - where you put the jack to change tires (and according to
the factory service manual where you are suppose to put the jack
stands), look like they are stronger and thicker on the Honda. I
haven't figured out how to replace the lamp behind the air
conditioning control panel on the dash in the Camry (and I once had an
estimate that it would cost $50 in labor).

The camry has lots of techi/comfort features (like mine turns off
headlights automatically when you open door, the car sits higher and
is easier to get in and out, tight turning radius, etc).



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