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Firestone Tires
Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with
Firestone Tires? |
Re: Firestone Tires
Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer.
There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It would just cost too much. "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > Firestone Tires? > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer.
There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It would just cost too much. "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > Firestone Tires? > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer.
There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It would just cost too much. "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > Firestone Tires? > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company.
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company.
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company.
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. Firestone makes some good tires... you just have to buy their expensive ones. Some of the best tires I've had were Firestone SH30 performance tires - they stuck like glue and had good performance wet or dry. |
Re: Firestone Tires
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. Firestone makes some good tires... you just have to buy their expensive ones. Some of the best tires I've had were Firestone SH30 performance tires - they stuck like glue and had good performance wet or dry. |
Re: Firestone Tires
"Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message
news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. Firestone makes some good tires... you just have to buy their expensive ones. Some of the best tires I've had were Firestone SH30 performance tires - they stuck like glue and had good performance wet or dry. |
Re: Firestone Tires
I read an article in the newspaper of a class action settlement
with Bridgestone/Firestone for Firestone tires. The problem was certainly not only with the Firestone tires on the Explorer. There was a long list of tires covered by the litigation settlement. The Article I saw was in the Chicago Tribune, perhaps if you did a web search there you could find the information you need. mike hunt Sean Donaher wrote: > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
I read an article in the newspaper of a class action settlement
with Bridgestone/Firestone for Firestone tires. The problem was certainly not only with the Firestone tires on the Explorer. There was a long list of tires covered by the litigation settlement. The Article I saw was in the Chicago Tribune, perhaps if you did a web search there you could find the information you need. mike hunt Sean Donaher wrote: > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
I read an article in the newspaper of a class action settlement
with Bridgestone/Firestone for Firestone tires. The problem was certainly not only with the Firestone tires on the Explorer. There was a long list of tires covered by the litigation settlement. The Article I saw was in the Chicago Tribune, perhaps if you did a web search there you could find the information you need. mike hunt Sean Donaher wrote: > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > Firestone Tires? > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
I know that but Bridgestone is supposed to be their better line.
"Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
I know that but Bridgestone is supposed to be their better line.
"Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
I know that but Bridgestone is supposed to be their better line.
"Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In
fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they shipped from the factory. What do you suppose the pressure was after a couple of years? I worked in a tire shop during the period just prior to the lawsuit and recall and can assure you that I saw vehicles come into the shop with pressures in the 19-22psi range. A low pressure tire is more drastically effected by changes in temp (more room to flex and higher internal temps therefrom). Short trip driving, kids to school, run to the mall, run to soccer practice, etc. results in cool tires being run up to high temps, cooled down, run up, cooled down, and on and on. The flexing begins to break down the tire and tread separation is one of the possible results. Now having said that, it is also known and admitted to by Bridgestone/Firestone that QC (quality control) procedures were either insufficient or were not followed in several cases resulting in batches of tires from several plants being shipped out that were sub-standard. Conclusion: not all of the fault for all of the tire failures can be placed at the Bridgestone/Firestone door. Some fault must be borne by those consumers who demand that a vehicle and its components perform a role for which they were not designed. Some of the fault lies with the auto manufacturers who knowingly design a vehicle that is not intended for the type of service in which it will be placed and who buy tires by getting the least expensive, discontinued lines, overstocks and the end of each tire manufacturing year. Wow! Sorry 'bout that. Didn't to climb upon that soap box again. Respectfully, Dave D -- Hunt hard...Kill quick...Offer No Apologies! "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In
fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they shipped from the factory. What do you suppose the pressure was after a couple of years? I worked in a tire shop during the period just prior to the lawsuit and recall and can assure you that I saw vehicles come into the shop with pressures in the 19-22psi range. A low pressure tire is more drastically effected by changes in temp (more room to flex and higher internal temps therefrom). Short trip driving, kids to school, run to the mall, run to soccer practice, etc. results in cool tires being run up to high temps, cooled down, run up, cooled down, and on and on. The flexing begins to break down the tire and tread separation is one of the possible results. Now having said that, it is also known and admitted to by Bridgestone/Firestone that QC (quality control) procedures were either insufficient or were not followed in several cases resulting in batches of tires from several plants being shipped out that were sub-standard. Conclusion: not all of the fault for all of the tire failures can be placed at the Bridgestone/Firestone door. Some fault must be borne by those consumers who demand that a vehicle and its components perform a role for which they were not designed. Some of the fault lies with the auto manufacturers who knowingly design a vehicle that is not intended for the type of service in which it will be placed and who buy tires by getting the least expensive, discontinued lines, overstocks and the end of each tire manufacturing year. Wow! Sorry 'bout that. Didn't to climb upon that soap box again. Respectfully, Dave D -- Hunt hard...Kill quick...Offer No Apologies! "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In
fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they shipped from the factory. What do you suppose the pressure was after a couple of years? I worked in a tire shop during the period just prior to the lawsuit and recall and can assure you that I saw vehicles come into the shop with pressures in the 19-22psi range. A low pressure tire is more drastically effected by changes in temp (more room to flex and higher internal temps therefrom). Short trip driving, kids to school, run to the mall, run to soccer practice, etc. results in cool tires being run up to high temps, cooled down, run up, cooled down, and on and on. The flexing begins to break down the tire and tread separation is one of the possible results. Now having said that, it is also known and admitted to by Bridgestone/Firestone that QC (quality control) procedures were either insufficient or were not followed in several cases resulting in batches of tires from several plants being shipped out that were sub-standard. Conclusion: not all of the fault for all of the tire failures can be placed at the Bridgestone/Firestone door. Some fault must be borne by those consumers who demand that a vehicle and its components perform a role for which they were not designed. Some of the fault lies with the auto manufacturers who knowingly design a vehicle that is not intended for the type of service in which it will be placed and who buy tires by getting the least expensive, discontinued lines, overstocks and the end of each tire manufacturing year. Wow! Sorry 'bout that. Didn't to climb upon that soap box again. Respectfully, Dave D -- Hunt hard...Kill quick...Offer No Apologies! "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In
fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they shipped from the factory. What do you suppose the pressure was after a couple of years? I worked in a tire shop during the period just prior to the lawsuit and recall and can assure you that I saw vehicles come into the shop with pressures in the 19-22psi range. A low pressure tire is more drastically effected by changes in temp (more room to flex and higher internal temps therefrom). Short trip driving, kids to school, run to the mall, run to soccer practice, etc. results in cool tires being run up to high temps, cooled down, run up, cooled down, and on and on. The flexing begins to break down the tire and tread separation is one of the possible results. Now having said that, it is also known and admitted to by Bridgestone/Firestone that QC (quality control) procedures were either insufficient or were not followed in several cases resulting in batches of tires from several plants being shipped out that were sub-standard. Conclusion: not all of the fault for all of the tire failures can be placed at the Bridgestone/Firestone door. Some fault must be borne by those consumers who demand that a vehicle and its components perform a role for which they were not designed. Some of the fault lies with the auto manufacturers who knowingly design a vehicle that is not intended for the type of service in which it will be placed and who buy tires by getting the least expensive, discontinued lines, overstocks and the end of each tire manufacturing year. Wow! Sorry 'bout that. Didn't to climb upon that soap box again. Respectfully, Dave D -- Hunt hard...Kill quick...Offer No Apologies! "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Most of the problem with the firestones and explorers was 'ford' running
them underinflated to make up for there crappy suspension. Any tire is more susceptible to failure when run underinflated.. I bought a 2003 civic, and planned from the start to replace the firestones, cause I didn't like the way they cornered, lack of traction, etc. Started out looking at Michelin MXV4 Plus, cause I wanted a good touring tire and have had Michelins for the past 20 years. Found ratings on tires, and a lot of customer comments on www.tirerack.com that were very good, and researched tires on there. Michelin's were not rated very good at all, with very bad wet traction. Checked on other tires, read the reviews and ended up buying Bridgstone Turanza's. Figured I couldn't go wrong with a 30 day ride guarantee. They are by far better than any Michelin I've ever had. Improved ride, cornering, and traction more than I could have ever hoped for. I've taken corners harder than I have ever been able to before without a squeal, or slip. I've never cared for Firestones, mostly because I bought a set back in 78, had them for 3 months, until I could afford to replace them, and put Michelins on my car cause I couldn't stand the Firestones, and at the time the 731's or 721's, whatever they were called, was there top of the line tire, and they sucked. The firestones that came OE on my Civic also sucked bad. "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:vpetk31ojqp3dd@corp.supernews.com... > Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In > fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! > Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new > equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it > is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't > have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation > of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the > cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large > part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" > ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension > to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the > other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I > recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was > 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they |
Re: Firestone Tires
Most of the problem with the firestones and explorers was 'ford' running
them underinflated to make up for there crappy suspension. Any tire is more susceptible to failure when run underinflated.. I bought a 2003 civic, and planned from the start to replace the firestones, cause I didn't like the way they cornered, lack of traction, etc. Started out looking at Michelin MXV4 Plus, cause I wanted a good touring tire and have had Michelins for the past 20 years. Found ratings on tires, and a lot of customer comments on www.tirerack.com that were very good, and researched tires on there. Michelin's were not rated very good at all, with very bad wet traction. Checked on other tires, read the reviews and ended up buying Bridgstone Turanza's. Figured I couldn't go wrong with a 30 day ride guarantee. They are by far better than any Michelin I've ever had. Improved ride, cornering, and traction more than I could have ever hoped for. I've taken corners harder than I have ever been able to before without a squeal, or slip. I've never cared for Firestones, mostly because I bought a set back in 78, had them for 3 months, until I could afford to replace them, and put Michelins on my car cause I couldn't stand the Firestones, and at the time the 731's or 721's, whatever they were called, was there top of the line tire, and they sucked. The firestones that came OE on my Civic also sucked bad. "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:vpetk31ojqp3dd@corp.supernews.com... > Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In > fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! > Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new > equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it > is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't > have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation > of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the > cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large > part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" > ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension > to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the > other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I > recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was > 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they |
Re: Firestone Tires
Most of the problem with the firestones and explorers was 'ford' running
them underinflated to make up for there crappy suspension. Any tire is more susceptible to failure when run underinflated.. I bought a 2003 civic, and planned from the start to replace the firestones, cause I didn't like the way they cornered, lack of traction, etc. Started out looking at Michelin MXV4 Plus, cause I wanted a good touring tire and have had Michelins for the past 20 years. Found ratings on tires, and a lot of customer comments on www.tirerack.com that were very good, and researched tires on there. Michelin's were not rated very good at all, with very bad wet traction. Checked on other tires, read the reviews and ended up buying Bridgstone Turanza's. Figured I couldn't go wrong with a 30 day ride guarantee. They are by far better than any Michelin I've ever had. Improved ride, cornering, and traction more than I could have ever hoped for. I've taken corners harder than I have ever been able to before without a squeal, or slip. I've never cared for Firestones, mostly because I bought a set back in 78, had them for 3 months, until I could afford to replace them, and put Michelins on my car cause I couldn't stand the Firestones, and at the time the 731's or 721's, whatever they were called, was there top of the line tire, and they sucked. The firestones that came OE on my Civic also sucked bad. "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:vpetk31ojqp3dd@corp.supernews.com... > Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In > fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! > Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new > equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it > is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't > have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation > of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the > cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large > part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" > ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension > to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the > other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I > recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was > 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they |
Re: Firestone Tires
Most of the problem with the firestones and explorers was 'ford' running
them underinflated to make up for there crappy suspension. Any tire is more susceptible to failure when run underinflated.. I bought a 2003 civic, and planned from the start to replace the firestones, cause I didn't like the way they cornered, lack of traction, etc. Started out looking at Michelin MXV4 Plus, cause I wanted a good touring tire and have had Michelins for the past 20 years. Found ratings on tires, and a lot of customer comments on www.tirerack.com that were very good, and researched tires on there. Michelin's were not rated very good at all, with very bad wet traction. Checked on other tires, read the reviews and ended up buying Bridgstone Turanza's. Figured I couldn't go wrong with a 30 day ride guarantee. They are by far better than any Michelin I've ever had. Improved ride, cornering, and traction more than I could have ever hoped for. I've taken corners harder than I have ever been able to before without a squeal, or slip. I've never cared for Firestones, mostly because I bought a set back in 78, had them for 3 months, until I could afford to replace them, and put Michelins on my car cause I couldn't stand the Firestones, and at the time the 731's or 721's, whatever they were called, was there top of the line tire, and they sucked. The firestones that came OE on my Civic also sucked bad. "Dave Dodson" <ddodson@gci.net> wrote in message news:vpetk31ojqp3dd@corp.supernews.com... > Sorry to burst your bubble but Bridgestone tires are NOT Firestone tires! In > fact it is just the opposite. Firestone tires ARE Bridgestone tires! > Bridgestone purchased the Firestone company, invested megabucks in new > equipment, upgraded facilities, and better quality control. Furthermore, it > is interesting to note that here in Alaska (cool temps/year round) we didn't > have a single instance (of which I am aware) of tread lifting or separation > of a Firestone tire even those on Exploders. This makes one wonder about the > cause of the many cases of failure in the "smaller states". Heat? A large > part of the whole problem revolves around the customers demand for a "soft" > ride in a suv like the Explorer. Short of redesigning the entire suspension > to achieve a softer ride (also a lowering of suspension performance) the > other option is to reduce the air pressure in the vehicle tires. As I > recall, the recommended tire pressure on the Explorers of those years was > 26psi front and rear. A really soft tire! This pressure was what they |
Re: Firestone Tires
Might want to do a little more research on that one. I wouldn't want you to
spend your life spouting off stupid comments like that.. www.tirerack.com "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. |
Re: Firestone Tires
Might want to do a little more research on that one. I wouldn't want you to
spend your life spouting off stupid comments like that.. www.tirerack.com "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. |
Re: Firestone Tires
Might want to do a little more research on that one. I wouldn't want you to
spend your life spouting off stupid comments like that.. www.tirerack.com "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. |
Re: Firestone Tires
Might want to do a little more research on that one. I wouldn't want you to
spend your life spouting off stupid comments like that.. www.tirerack.com "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. |
Re: Firestone Tires
If your talking about the Michelin MXV4 Plus, your way better off with
Bridgestone tires. "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. |
Re: Firestone Tires
If your talking about the Michelin MXV4 Plus, your way better off with
Bridgestone tires. "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. |
Re: Firestone Tires
If your talking about the Michelin MXV4 Plus, your way better off with
Bridgestone tires. "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. |
Re: Firestone Tires
If your talking about the Michelin MXV4 Plus, your way better off with
Bridgestone tires. "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford Explorer. > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the Civics > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that the > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > would just cost too much. |
Re: Firestone Tires
Maybe same company who owns them, but different factory and processes that
make them. "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Maybe same company who owns them, but different factory and processes that
make them. "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Maybe same company who owns them, but different factory and processes that
make them. "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
Re: Firestone Tires
Maybe same company who owns them, but different factory and processes that
make them. "Striker" <Striker@neopam.rro.com> wrote in message news:mbulb.153886$xx4.27536662@twister.neo.rr.com. .. > Bridgestone tires are Firestone tires. Same company. > "Sean Donaher" <nospam@nospam.ca> wrote in message > news:Tqmlb.1807$km6.53998@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca... > > Why would they? The problem with Firestone was only with the Ford > Explorer. > > There are no known problems with the Firestone tires that came on the > Civics > > except for the fact that they were really crappy. Also, I noticed that > the > > new 2004 Civic comes with Bridgestone tires. Not like they're much better > > but I doubt Honda is about to start putting Michelins in the Civic. It > > would just cost too much. > > > > "Lancer94" <lancer94(no.spam.today)@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > > news:bUklb.2031$VQ3.276013@news20.bellglobal.com.. . > > > Anybody know if Honda Canada has (or will) replace/recall vehicles with > > > Firestone Tires? > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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