flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

Hi,
I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI (94-95)
[UK], for a couple
of months now.
The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
few times this has happened
at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
immediately start. The
ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The car
did start after some 15 mins
rest.
Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
the mechanic, when he came
he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
the early fuel injection
engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
when it rains.
Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.

My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
ago (even in rain),
do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
getting older now).
Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
have to live with it.

Many Thanks in advance

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The car
> did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.
> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>
> Many Thanks in advance
>
=====================================

He told you it's flooded. Read the owner's manual and see what Honda
tells you about starting a flooded Honda (after it's been sitting
overnight). A can of injector cleaner (or Gasohol) will often solve the
'fail to start' problem. Your other problem sounds a bit like a bad
ignition switch or igniter overheating. Has the safety recall been
applied to your car? http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x02-031e.pdf

'Curly'

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The car
> did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.
> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>
> Many Thanks in advance
>
=====================================

He told you it's flooded. Read the owner's manual and see what Honda
tells you about starting a flooded Honda (after it's been sitting
overnight). A can of injector cleaner (or Gasohol) will often solve the
'fail to start' problem. Your other problem sounds a bit like a bad
ignition switch or igniter overheating. Has the safety recall been
applied to your car? http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x02-031e.pdf

'Curly'

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The car
> did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.
> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>
> Many Thanks in advance
>
=====================================

He told you it's flooded. Read the owner's manual and see what Honda
tells you about starting a flooded Honda (after it's been sitting
overnight). A can of injector cleaner (or Gasohol) will often solve the
'fail to start' problem. Your other problem sounds a bit like a bad
ignition switch or igniter overheating. Has the safety recall been
applied to your car? http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x02-031e.pdf

'Curly'

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.

No they don't.

> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.

Trouble on rainy days, particularly when starting, is a classic symptom
of bad ignition wires, or bad distributor cap, which in those vintage
Hondas contain the ignition coil so a crack in that location can be
particularly bad on a rainy day. The one time my 92 Honda absolutely
refused to start, after a few weeks of giving sullen grumpy starts as a
warning, was on a pouring rainy day, which proved to be a cracked
distributor cap. Look at the wiring for deterioration, cracks, etc.,
also the distributor cap; if nothing, you might try first replacing the
wiring, cause it's cheaper and does deteriorate with time, then the cap.

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.

No they don't.

> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.

Trouble on rainy days, particularly when starting, is a classic symptom
of bad ignition wires, or bad distributor cap, which in those vintage
Hondas contain the ignition coil so a crack in that location can be
particularly bad on a rainy day. The one time my 92 Honda absolutely
refused to start, after a few weeks of giving sullen grumpy starts as a
warning, was on a pouring rainy day, which proved to be a cracked
distributor cap. Look at the wiring for deterioration, cracks, etc.,
also the distributor cap; if nothing, you might try first replacing the
wiring, cause it's cheaper and does deteriorate with time, then the cap.

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote:
> the mechanic, when he came
> he immediately told me that it was a flooded engine. He told me that
> the early fuel injection
> engines (as in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel
> when it rains.

No they don't.

> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.

Trouble on rainy days, particularly when starting, is a classic symptom
of bad ignition wires, or bad distributor cap, which in those vintage
Hondas contain the ignition coil so a crack in that location can be
particularly bad on a rainy day. The one time my 92 Honda absolutely
refused to start, after a few weeks of giving sullen grumpy starts as a
warning, was on a pouring rainy day, which proved to be a cracked
distributor cap. Look at the wiring for deterioration, cracks, etc.,
also the distributor cap; if nothing, you might try first replacing the
wiring, cause it's cheaper and does deteriorate with time, then the cap.

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
> (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The
> car did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
> rains.


Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.



> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>


That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
OEM?

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
> (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The
> car did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
> rains.


Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.



> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>


That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
OEM?

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:

> Hi,
> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
> (94-95)
> [UK], for a couple
> of months now.
> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
> few times this has happened
> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
> immediately start. The
> ignition will work, but it won't catch and the car won't start. The
> car did start after some 15 mins
> rest.
> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
> rains.


Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.



> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>
> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
> ago (even in rain),
> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
> getting older now).
> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
> have to live with it.
>


That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
OEM?

--
Tegger

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns98B28C4EA6627tegger@207.14.116.130:

> pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
> news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
>> (94-95)
>> [UK], for a couple
>> of months now.
>> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
>> few times this has happened
>> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
>> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
>> immediately start. The
>> ignition will work,

Meaning it CRANKS. (why can't people use the right terms?)

>> but it won't catch and the car won't start.

won't RUN. whether it fires at all is not mentioned.

>>The
>> car did start after some 15 mins
>> rest.
>> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
>> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
>> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
>> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
>> rains.
>
>
> Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.
>
>

Definitely bulls__t;there's no need for extra fuel due to rain(H2O),just
for more or less O2 as called for by the intake air temp sensor[IAT},and
throttle position sensor[TPS].(and the O2 sensor after ~2min of warmup.)
>
>> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>>
>> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
>> ago (even in rain),
>> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
>> getting older now).
>> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
>> have to live with it.
>>
>
>
> That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
> OEM?
>

Plug wires,coil/distributor cap & rotor.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns98B28C4EA6627tegger@207.14.116.130:

> pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
> news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
>> (94-95)
>> [UK], for a couple
>> of months now.
>> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
>> few times this has happened
>> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
>> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
>> immediately start. The
>> ignition will work,

Meaning it CRANKS. (why can't people use the right terms?)

>> but it won't catch and the car won't start.

won't RUN. whether it fires at all is not mentioned.

>>The
>> car did start after some 15 mins
>> rest.
>> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
>> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
>> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
>> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
>> rains.
>
>
> Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.
>
>

Definitely bulls__t;there's no need for extra fuel due to rain(H2O),just
for more or less O2 as called for by the intake air temp sensor[IAT},and
throttle position sensor[TPS].(and the O2 sensor after ~2min of warmup.)
>
>> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>>
>> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
>> ago (even in rain),
>> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
>> getting older now).
>> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
>> have to live with it.
>>
>
>
> That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
> OEM?
>

Plug wires,coil/distributor cap & rotor.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

Tegger <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in
news:Xns98B28C4EA6627tegger@207.14.116.130:

> pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in
> news:1168245034.694664.310300@42g2000cwt.googlegro ups.com:
>
>> Hi,
>> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic 1.5 LSI
>> (94-95)
>> [UK], for a couple
>> of months now.
>> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in the morning. A
>> few times this has happened
>> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m from home).
>> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot), and will not
>> immediately start. The
>> ignition will work,

Meaning it CRANKS. (why can't people use the right terms?)

>> but it won't catch and the car won't start.

won't RUN. whether it fires at all is not mentioned.

>>The
>> car did start after some 15 mins
>> rest.
>> Last weekend, I couldn't start the car at all (in my driveway). Called
>> the mechanic, when he came he immediately told me that it was a
>> flooded engine. He told me that the early fuel injection engines (as
>> in my 94 Honda), has a rain sensor which pumps more fuel when it
>> rains.
>
>
> Now that's a bogus explanation if I ever heard one.
>
>

Definitely bulls__t;there's no need for extra fuel due to rain(H2O),just
for more or less O2 as called for by the intake air temp sensor[IAT},and
throttle position sensor[TPS].(and the O2 sensor after ~2min of warmup.)
>
>> Recalling, it was on raininy days that I did have the problems.
>>
>> My question is, since I never had these problems prior to two months
>> ago (even in rain),
>> do I have a defective sensor which needs replacing (as the car is
>> getting older now).
>> Or, as the mechanic pointed out, this is inherent in this car and I
>> have to live with it.
>>
>
>
> That's bogus too. Change the plug wires first. How old are they? Are the
> OEM?
>

Plug wires,coil/distributor cap & rotor.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in

>>> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic
>>> 1.5 LSI
>>> (94-95)
>>> [UK], for a couple
>>> of months now.
>>> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in
>>> the morning. A
>>> few times this has happened
>>> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m
>>> from home).
>>> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot),
>>> and will not
>>> immediately start. The
>>> ignition will work,
>
> Meaning it CRANKS. (why can't people use the right terms?)
>
>>> but it won't catch and the car won't start.
>
> won't RUN. whether it fires at all is not mentioned.

These are good items for the unofficial FAQ site, IMO.

Re: flooded engine in 94/95 Honda Civic
 

"Jim Yanik" <jyanik@abuse.gov> wrote
>> pkrishan@gmail.com wrote in

>>> I had been having some problems with my Honda Civic
>>> 1.5 LSI
>>> (94-95)
>>> [UK], for a couple
>>> of months now.
>>> The car would Hesitation/shaking when accelerated, in
>>> the morning. A
>>> few times this has happened
>>> at nearly the same spot while driving to work (some 200m
>>> from home).
>>> Once, the car completely stopped (at that 200m spot),
>>> and will not
>>> immediately start. The
>>> ignition will work,
>
> Meaning it CRANKS. (why can't people use the right terms?)
>
>>> but it won't catch and the car won't start.
>
> won't RUN. whether it fires at all is not mentioned.

These are good items for the unofficial FAQ site, IMO.