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Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
"My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in message news:Vme5j.7711$o_6.2647@trnddc08... >> I suppose the one exception is the "all new" Camry for 2007. But then >> Ford had an all new Mustang in 2004, all new 500 in 2005, and all new >> Fusion in > > Come on now Ed, the Mustang was all new for 2005. :-) You are correct. Ed |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
"Picasso" <Picasso@gmail.com> wrote in message news:47552ae4$0$5298$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net... >> But when I wanted a 4WD SUV to do some rough 4 wheeling Ford did not meet >> my specifications. >> So I bought a Nissan product. A Infinity 2001 QX4. Great machine. Handles >> deep rivers and steep stair step rocky terrain. My favorite. Smooth >> clearance under side. No hanging items to catch on rocks. > > Theres no hanging items on fords or chevs ;) Look at the shocks on rear. |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
Perhaps but the fact remains as of today the two best selling vehicles are
trucks not cars and both GM and Ford outsell any import. Not too many years ago Ford was the best selling 'brand' in the US and the same pundits were predicting Ford Motor Company would outsell GM in the US 'if the trend continued,' but you are entitled to you own opinion ;) "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com... > On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> > wrote: > >>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 that >>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car, >>because that is what buys want to buy. >>For every car sold in the US in 2007 there is a truck sold in the US, why >>do >>you think Nissan and Toyota offer Trucks and Honda even tried to make a >>"truck" out of the Accord with the Ridgeline? The second and third best >>sellers are the Chevy and Dodge truck, not cars ;) > > > Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently > above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year. > > > F-series 635,520 -12.4% > Camry 434,277 + 5.8% > Accord 360,976 +10.8% > > If this trend continues, the F-series could be down to #3 in about > three years. > > Bzzzt. Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer (based on sales YTD) is: > > 1. F-Series > 2. Silverado > 3. Camry > 4. Accord > 5. Corolla > 6. Ram > > Better luck next time. > > BTW, Ram was 4th in sales last year behind Camry so your "facts" are > at least a year out of date. > > <http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/BUSINESS01/712020646/1002> > > Hey Mike, care to comment on US Ford sales falling behind Toyota this > year? Or the fact that Toyota may pass Chevy to be the best selling > brand? |
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Toyota does well with their imported midget, small and now American
assembled midsize cars and the union made small trucks but when it comes to full size cars and trucks they are an "also rans." The Avalon, the T100 have been sales slugs and the Tundra is turning out to be a disaster. If the Toyota loyalist want a Tundra they should go to one of the Manheim Auto Auctions. Brand new 47K 4WD Tundras are going through the block as low as the mid twenties "Ed White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:13l9l5unit0qgaa@corp.supernews.com... > > "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> >> wrote: >> >>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 >>>that >>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car, >>>because that is what buys want to buy. >> >> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently >> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year. > > Well the November news was not all bad for Ford. They actually sold more > vehicle in November of 2007 than November 0f 2006. And in fact, Ford's > monthly sales were up more in November of this year (compared to last > November) than were Toyotas (Ford was up 0.6%, Toyota was up 0.3%). > > And apparently the new Tundra is turning into a disaster. Despite piling > on incentives, Tundra sales can only be described as extremely > disappointing (sales fell in November, and it is unlikely that Toyota will > meet it sales goals for the new monster truck). In my opinion, Toyota > screwed the pooch on this one. They replaced a reasonable sized truck with > a ridiculously large loser. I do see a few of them around town now, but > the only person I know that owns one is very disappointed. It sucks gas > and rattles like an old Dodge. > > Ed > |
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Perhaps but the F150 is still by far the best selling vehicle in the US
Hee Hee "Tim" <Busher@noway.com> wrote in message news:fj2llk$md2$1@aioe.org... > > "Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message > news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com... >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> >> wrote: >> >>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 >>>that >>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car, >>>because that is what buys want to buy. >> >> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently >> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year. >> >> >> F-series 635,520 -12.4% >> Camry 434,277 + 5.8% >> Accord 360,976 +10.8% >> > > Yup! Soon the number will go like this: > > F-series 635,520 -32.4% > Camry 434,277 + 35.8% > Accord 360,976 +30.8% > > Still in your denial ha Mike Hunt? Go check out Craigslist, lots of > F-series owners trying to sell theirs.... Heehee.... > > > > > > |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
"Warren Weber" <hiview@bresnan.net> wrote in message news:zsydnVlpvcDd6MjanZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@bresnan.com. .. > > "Picasso" <Picasso@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:47552ae4$0$5298$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net... >>> But when I wanted a 4WD SUV to do some rough 4 wheeling Ford did not >>> meet my specifications. >>> So I bought a Nissan product. A Infinity 2001 QX4. Great machine. >>> Handles deep rivers and steep stair step rocky terrain. My favorite. >>> Smooth clearance under side. No hanging items to catch on rocks. >> >> Theres no hanging items on fords or chevs ;) > > Look at the shocks on rear. You mean like a current Explorer or Expedition with IRS? The shocks are in a unit with the coil springs and don't hang down at all. What do you call that big round thing hanging down in the center of a Infiniti Pathfinder or is it a Nissan QX4...... Ed |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:13lb9mppmpt4u36@corp.supernews.com... > > "Warren Weber" <hiview@bresnan.net> wrote in message > news:zsydnVlpvcDd6MjanZ2dnUVZ_oqhnZ2d@bresnan.com. .. >> >> "Picasso" <Picasso@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:47552ae4$0$5298$9a566e8b@news.aliant.net... >>>> But when I wanted a 4WD SUV to do some rough 4 wheeling Ford did not >>>> meet my specifications. >>>> So I bought a Nissan product. A Infinity 2001 QX4. Great machine. >>>> Handles deep rivers and steep stair step rocky terrain. My favorite. >>>> Smooth clearance under side. No hanging items to catch on rocks. >>> >>> Theres no hanging items on fords or chevs ;) >> >> Look at the shocks on rear. > > You mean like a current Explorer or Expedition with IRS? The shocks are in > a unit with the coil springs and don't hang down at all. What do you call > that big round thing hanging down in the center of a Infiniti Pathfinder > or is it a Nissan QX4...... > > Ed It's called Suspension. |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
On Tue, 04 Dec 2007 01:19:44 GMT, "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote:
>Tim wrote: > >> The people who work for Ford are the same people pushing for Iraq War... > >Gee, I didn't know *that*. Is it a union thing? Yup. Contract demand 479799025B. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography Lifetime member; Vast Right Wing Conspiricy Web Site: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:30:26 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com>
wrote: >Perhaps but the fact remains as of today the two best selling vehicles are >trucks not cars and both GM and Ford outsell any import. Not too many years >ago Ford was the best selling 'brand' in the US and the same pundits were >predicting Ford Motor Company would outsell GM in the US 'if the trend >continued,' but you are entitled to you own opinion ;) Well Ford is going to be #3 in US sales as of 2007 and that isn't my opinion, it's a fact you can take to the bank. As for Toyota beating Chevy in 2007, that is a toss-up right now. So these two pickups are the best sellers, so what? That will be scant consolation if Ford and GM go under. It is profit that counts at the end of the day. Either Toyota or Honda could afford to buy both GM and Ford just to put them out of their misery. >"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> >> wrote: >> >>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 that >>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car, >>>because that is what buys want to buy. > >>>For every car sold in the US in 2007 there is a truck sold in the US, why >>>do >>>you think Nissan and Toyota offer Trucks and Honda even tried to make a >>>"truck" out of the Accord with the Ridgeline? The second and third best >>>sellers are the Chevy and Dodge truck, not cars ;) >> >> >> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently >> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year. >> >> >> F-series 635,520 -12.4% >> Camry 434,277 + 5.8% >> Accord 360,976 +10.8% >> >> If this trend continues, the F-series could be down to #3 in about >> three years. >> >> Bzzzt. Oh, I'm sorry. The correct answer (based on sales YTD) is: >> >> 1. F-Series >> 2. Silverado >> 3. Camry >> 4. Accord >> 5. Corolla >> 6. Ram >> >> Better luck next time. >> >> BTW, Ram was 4th in sales last year behind Camry so your "facts" are >> at least a year out of date. >> >> <http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071202/BUSINESS01/712020646/1002> >> >> Hey Mike, care to comment on US Ford sales falling behind Toyota this >> year? Or the fact that Toyota may pass Chevy to be the best selling >> brand? > |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:17:11 -0500, "Ed White"
<cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote: > >"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:l1f9l3tpo6ip33al11h29c08dhhumlaeua@4ax.com.. . >> On Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:37:55 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> >> wrote: >> >>>DUH! Ford still sells the highest volume vehicle in the US, the F150 that >>>sells at a rate nearly twice that of the Camry, the best selling car, >>>because that is what buys want to buy. >> >> Ford isn't selling as many F150s now that gas seems to be permanently >> above $3. Sales are down 12% so far this year. > >Well the November news was not all bad for Ford. They actually sold more >vehicle in November of 2007 than November 0f 2006. And in fact, Ford's >monthly sales were up more in November of this year (compared to last >November) than were Toyotas (Ford was up 0.6%, Toyota was up 0.3%). True but... Toyota's basis (what they sold in November 2006) was a record month, as was November 2007. Ford is up 0.6% over being in the toilet. Toyota outsold Ford in November by 15,000. If you look at the year rather than just one month, Toyota is up 4% and Ford is down 12% versus 2006. >And apparently the new Tundra is turning into a disaster. Despite piling on >incentives, Tundra sales can only be described as extremely disappointing >(sales fell in November, and it is unlikely that Toyota will meet it sales >goals for the new monster truck). In my opinion, Toyota screwed the pooch on >this one. They replaced a reasonable sized truck with a ridiculously large >loser. I do see a few of them around town now, but the only person I know >that owns one is very disappointed. It sucks gas and rattles like an old >Dodge. Good. I am glad to see any of these stupid trucks fail in the marketplace. Maybe it will influence them and the other automakers to build more sensible vehicles. I would guess that 90% of the pickups I see (admittedly it is an urban environment) are being used for jobs that could be better served by a subcompact. I think $3 gas is doing a lot of good. |
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"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:83qbl39p9smo26vk584u8t2ehumpd9p4fr@4ax.com... > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:30:26 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> > wrote: > >>Perhaps but the fact remains as of today the two best selling vehicles are >>trucks not cars and both GM and Ford outsell any import. Not too many >>years >>ago Ford was the best selling 'brand' in the US and the same pundits were >>predicting Ford Motor Company would outsell GM in the US 'if the trend >>continued,' but you are entitled to you own opinion ;) > > Well Ford is going to be #3 in US sales as of 2007 and that isn't my > opinion, it's a fact you can take to the bank. As for Toyota beating > Chevy in 2007, that is a toss-up right now. Fact is something already happened. Calling your own prediction as fact? No it aint no fact, I'm afraid you will be disappointed, because what already happened may not repeat itself. Because Ford moves too slow, the Chinese carmakers will beat all of you up again, with cheaper and good gas cars. Go to Habor Freight, and Walmat and enlighten yourself. The Chinese investors now are buying American banks. I used to hear you called the Chinese hyping, man we're 180 degree direction!! Sad sad... I am poorer and poorer with you, make no mistake, I am trying to wake you up. |
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"C. E. White" <cewhite3@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:13lat59kpldif26@corp.supernews.com... > > "My Name Is Nobody" <nobody@msn.com> wrote in message > news:Vme5j.7711$o_6.2647@trnddc08... > > >> I suppose the one exception is the "all new" Camry for 2007. But then > >> Ford had an all new Mustang in 2004, all new 500 in 2005, and all new > >> Fusion in > > > > Come on now Ed, the Mustang was all new for 2005. :-) > > You are correct. > Whall, you see part of the problem is that most of the auto pundits out there, like the people that write the reviews in Car and Driver and such, have not reconciled to the fact that a basic truck is extremely utilitaritian and functional. You can haul plywood, a motorcycle, a couch, move across town, you name it. If you take the tailgate off of it or put on a tonneau, it becomes a fairly fuel efficient single-passenger commuting vehicle - not as good as a sedan of course, but if you don't have to commute a great deal, so what. There's enough of the new car buying public that recognize this that light and mid sized trucks are always going to sell well in the US. Personally I can't stand the look of the things - any pickup truck after 1955 looks like a Mexican/white trailer trashmobile in my book - and I'll never be caught dead owning one. I do my hauling with a trailer. But I see the point that dealing with hauling out a utility trailer from the shed and linking it up takes a lot more time than just walking out to the street and tossing whatever piece of crap you need to haul into the truck bed then driving off. New car buyers generally either buy for image reasons (ie: Prius) or for functionality. Trucks are extremely functional, it's no wonder they are as popular as they are. Most of the auto pundits out there are so focused on the image thing they have lost touch with the functionality end of it. Ted |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:40:25 -0800, "Tim" <Busher@noway.com> wrote:
> >"Gordon McGrew" <RgEmMcOgVrEew@mindspring.com> wrote in message >news:83qbl39p9smo26vk584u8t2ehumpd9p4fr@4ax.com.. . >> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 11:30:26 -0500, "Mike hunt" <mikehunt22@lycos.com> >> wrote: >> >>>Perhaps but the fact remains as of today the two best selling vehicles are >>>trucks not cars and both GM and Ford outsell any import. Not too many >>>years >>>ago Ford was the best selling 'brand' in the US and the same pundits were >>>predicting Ford Motor Company would outsell GM in the US 'if the trend >>>continued,' but you are entitled to you own opinion ;) >> >> Well Ford is going to be #3 in US sales as of 2007 and that isn't my >> opinion, it's a fact you can take to the bank. As for Toyota beating >> Chevy in 2007, that is a toss-up right now. > >Fact is something already happened. Calling your own prediction as fact? >No it aint no fact, I'm afraid you will be disappointed, because what >already happened may not repeat itself. Ford is too far behind now to catch up. Baring a miracle which isn't going to happen, Toyota will outsell Ford in the US in 2007. It's a done deal. > Because Ford moves too slow, the >Chinese carmakers will beat all of you up again, with cheaper and good gas >cars. So far that hasn't happened. In fact they haven't sold a single car here yet. Regardless of what the Chinese do, Ford is #3 and dropping. > Go to Habor Freight, and Walmat and enlighten yourself. Familiar with both of these retailers. OK if you need something cheap. I wouldn't use Harbor Freight tools to work on my go kart. > The Chinese >investors now are buying American banks. Hell, they are buying America thanks to Bush's deficit financing of the disaster in Iraq. > I used to hear you called the >Chinese hyping, man we're 180 degree direction!! Haven't a clue what you are talking about. If you are referring to something I said on Usenet, please provide a Google Groups link. > Sad sad... I am poorer >and poorer with you, make no mistake, I am trying to wake you up. I am not poor. |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
"Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message
news:newscache$khgksj$fhk1$1@news.ipinc.net... > If you take the tailgate off of it or put on a tonneau, it becomes a > fairly > fuel efficient single-passenger commuting vehicle - not as good as a sedan > of > course, but if you don't have to commute a great deal, so what. Pickups get better mileage with the tailgate up, and no cover. The bed creates a vortex behind the cab that maximizes the aerodynamics. With no tailgate and/or a cover, the vortex cannot form. ---JRE--- |
Re: Ford car production ain't what it used to be
On 12/6/07 10:26 AM, in article 4758221d$0$27497$8046368a@newsreader.iphouse.net, "NoOneYouKnow" <NoOneYouKnow@SpammersSuckBigTime.Com> wrote: > "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> wrote in message > news:newscache$khgksj$fhk1$1@news.ipinc.net... >> If you take the tailgate off of it or put on a tonneau, it becomes a >> fairly >> fuel efficient single-passenger commuting vehicle - not as good as a sedan >> of >> course, but if you don't have to commute a great deal, so what. > > Pickups get better mileage with the tailgate up, and no cover. The bed > creates a vortex behind the cab that maximizes the aerodynamics. With no > tailgate and/or a cover, the vortex cannot form. > > ---JRE--- > > > Consumer reports debunked that several years ago. They tested a number of different pickups with and without tailgates. The results depended on the truck. Some did better with the tailgates in place, some with them removed. Its not a given that removing the tailgate improves mileage. |
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