Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
problems.

When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
about 20 percent.

I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).

Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?

Is there a climate-control filter on this car?

Thanks,
--
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.net


--
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.net

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

On 7/22/03 12:21 PM, in article
0001HW.BB42C0C3000CF864F060B600@news.individual.ne t, "DaveC"
<dave+usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

> In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
> problems.
>
> When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
> about 20 percent.
>
> I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
> there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).
>
> Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?
>
Recirc opens a little door just above the right seat passengers feet and
recirculates the air from inside the car rather than drawing from outside.
When you switch to fresh, it closes the little door and opens the passage to
bring in outside air through the inlets at the base of the windshield. A
side effect of this is a reduction in fan noise because the fan is very near
the recirc door. It is possible that the air inlets are clogged with
debris, but usually it is just the change in fan noise that gives the
illusion of reduced air flow.

> Is there a climate-control filter on this car?

No

>
> Thanks,

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

In article <0001HW.BB42C0C3000CF864F060B600@news.individual.n et>,
DaveC <dave+usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

>In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
>problems.
>
>When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
>about 20 percent.
>
>I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
>there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).
>
>Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?

That's normal. The airflow path is shorter in recirculation. An
interior vent opens up right at the fan inlet. The fresh air path is
in through the exterior vent, past rain deflectors, into the climate
control, out around the back seat, and then out through an exterior vent
under a fender.


>Is there a climate-control filter on this car?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Dave C
>dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.net

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

I don't have a 1990 Accord, so there may be something different about
it. However, this has not been my experience with other cars. In fact,
at cruising speeds, I find the flow often increases with outside air.
As someone pointed out, the fan is quieter which sometimes gives the
illusion of less airflow. I've never had any experience that would
suggest that the fan is trying to "suck in the outside air" as another
poster put it. With current flow through systems, air is drawn into
the car by the air exiting from the rear vents. At low speeds or
stopped, of course, the flow decreases and the fan becomes more
important.

If you are really interested, try taping a strip of paper or something
similar onto one of the vents. Make it long enough that it stands out
fair straight when you have the recirculating on. Then switch to
outside air and see if its position changes.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:21:55 -0700, DaveC
<dave+usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

>In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
>problems.
>
>When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
>about 20 percent.
>
>I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
>there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).
>
>Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?
>
>Is there a climate-control filter on this car?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Dave C
>dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.net

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

I don't have a 1990 Accord, so there may be something different about
it. However, this has not been my experience with other cars. In fact,
at cruising speeds, I find the flow often increases with outside air.
As someone pointed out, the fan is quieter which sometimes gives the
illusion of less airflow. I've never had any experience that would
suggest that the fan is trying to "suck in the outside air" as another
poster put it. With current flow through systems, air is drawn into
the car by the air exiting from the rear vents. At low speeds or
stopped, of course, the flow decreases and the fan becomes more
important.

If you are really interested, try taping a strip of paper or something
similar onto one of the vents. Make it long enough that it stands out
fair straight when you have the recirculating on. Then switch to
outside air and see if its position changes.

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 10:21:55 -0700, DaveC
<dave+usenet3016@mailblocks.com> wrote:

>In this 1990 Accord, when the Recirc button is pressed, airflow is good. No
>problems.
>
>When I push the Fresh Air button, the airflow coming out of all vents drops
>about 20 percent.
>
>I looked under the hood at the intake where the fresh air comes in, but
>there's no removeable cover to be able to check for debris (leaves, etc.).
>
>Anyone else experience this? Cause? Fix?
>
>Is there a climate-control filter on this car?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>Dave C
>dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.net

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
resistance to flow.

"Apexmeister" <Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote in message
news:230720031345456318%Apexmeister@cornercarver.n et...
> This is normal. If you have the A/C or the fan on, the fan speed
> increases when you press the "recirculate" setting. The owners manual
> states that you will achieve maximum cooling or fan speed when it's in
> the recirculation mode. Selecting fresh will lower your fan speed
> slighthly. I had an '86 Integra, a '96 Accord and presently own a '01
> GSR and a '91 NSX and the fan speed will always drop a bit when in
> fresh mode. Nothing is wrong with your car. Check it with any other
> Honda or Acura and you'll see the same behavior.
>
> Paul

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
resistance to flow.

"Apexmeister" <Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote in message
news:230720031345456318%Apexmeister@cornercarver.n et...
> This is normal. If you have the A/C or the fan on, the fan speed
> increases when you press the "recirculate" setting. The owners manual
> states that you will achieve maximum cooling or fan speed when it's in
> the recirculation mode. Selecting fresh will lower your fan speed
> slighthly. I had an '86 Integra, a '96 Accord and presently own a '01
> GSR and a '91 NSX and the fan speed will always drop a bit when in
> fresh mode. Nothing is wrong with your car. Check it with any other
> Honda or Acura and you'll see the same behavior.
>
> Paul

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
mode. ;)


mike hunt


DaveC wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:02:30 -0700, noway wrote
> (in message <auETa.62072$R92.15550@news2.central.cox.net>):
>
> > The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
> > container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
> > much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
> > recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
> > outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
> > resistance to flow.
>
> This is what I'd thought, too. But the car has a bad regulator on one of the
> rear windows, and it is always 3/4 inch from fully closed, plenty of space
> for *lots* of air to escape.
>
> But (this is no an illusion) the air slows down in Fresh Air mode. All I can
> guess is that the fan has to *pull* air through the air intake, which -- for
> some reason -- is harder to do than in recirc mode. That's why I asked if
> this model has a filter for cabin air. I wish it was easier to get to the air
> box intake (somewhere underneath the dash board) where maybe debris, leaves,
> etc. might have collected.
>
> I guess I'll never know.
>
> Thanks, everybody,
> --
> Dave C
> dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
mode. ;)


mike hunt


DaveC wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 16:02:30 -0700, noway wrote
> (in message <auETa.62072$R92.15550@news2.central.cox.net>):
>
> > The fan speed drops is because its harder to push air into a sealed
> > container, like your car. Open your window a little bit, and it will blow as
> > much as the recirculation position. The reason it cools better on
> > recirculation is due to the fact that the air is already cooler than the
> > outside air, and usually less humid. Also blows more air cause there is no
> > resistance to flow.
>
> This is what I'd thought, too. But the car has a bad regulator on one of the
> rear windows, and it is always 3/4 inch from fully closed, plenty of space
> for *lots* of air to escape.
>
> But (this is no an illusion) the air slows down in Fresh Air mode. All I can
> guess is that the fan has to *pull* air through the air intake, which -- for
> some reason -- is harder to do than in recirc mode. That's why I asked if
> this model has a filter for cabin air. I wish it was easier to get to the air
> box intake (somewhere underneath the dash board) where maybe debris, leaves,
> etc. might have collected.
>
> I guess I'll never know.
>
> Thanks, everybody,
> --
> Dave C
> dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:41:06 -0700, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote
(in message <3F1F29D1.9ACA7EE3@lycos.com>):

> I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
> is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
> recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
> muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
> mode. ;)

I appreciate your contribution to my search for an answer, but please believe
me. I am not simply "perceiving" differences in sound.

I can only attribute this to the increased path through the air intake, and
possibly debris at the climate control air intake.

Thanks,
--
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 17:41:06 -0700, MikeHunt@lycos.com wrote
(in message <3F1F29D1.9ACA7EE3@lycos.com>):

> I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
> is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
> recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
> muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
> mode. ;)

I appreciate your contribution to my search for an answer, but please believe
me. I am not simply "perceiving" differences in sound.

I can only attribute this to the increased path through the air intake, and
possibly debris at the climate control air intake.

Thanks,
--
Dave C
dave-usenet3016@mailblocks.com

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

<MikeHunt@lycos.com> wrote in message news:3F1F29D1.9ACA7EE3@lycos.com...
> I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
> is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
> recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
> muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
> mode. ;)
>
>
> mike hunt

Wow! Really? Gee Mike...your a genius!

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

<MikeHunt@lycos.com> wrote in message news:3F1F29D1.9ACA7EE3@lycos.com...
> I think what you are perceiving as a slow down in fan speed
> is more likely the difference in the sound you hear, when the
> recirculation door closes and the exterior access door opens,
> muffling the louder sound the fan produces when in recirc
> mode. ;)
>
>
> mike hunt

Wow! Really? Gee Mike...your a genius!

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

The speed of the fan is not related to the recirc setting. It is
louder for reasons already covered by others. You may find cracking a
window increases flow and your perception of the speed of the fan.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:44:52 GMT, Apexmeister
<Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote:

>This is normal. If you have the A/C or the fan on, the fan speed
>increases when you press the "recirculate" setting. The owners manual
>states that you will achieve maximum cooling or fan speed when it's in
>the recirculation mode. Selecting fresh will lower your fan speed
>slighthly. I had an '86 Integra, a '96 Accord and presently own a '01
>GSR and a '91 NSX and the fan speed will always drop a bit when in
>fresh mode. Nothing is wrong with your car. Check it with any other
>Honda or Acura and you'll see the same behavior.
>
>Paul

Re: Fresh air button causes drop in airflow?
 

The speed of the fan is not related to the recirc setting. It is
louder for reasons already covered by others. You may find cracking a
window increases flow and your perception of the speed of the fan.

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 20:44:52 GMT, Apexmeister
<Apexmeister@cornercarver.net> wrote:

>This is normal. If you have the A/C or the fan on, the fan speed
>increases when you press the "recirculate" setting. The owners manual
>states that you will achieve maximum cooling or fan speed when it's in
>the recirculation mode. Selecting fresh will lower your fan speed
>slighthly. I had an '86 Integra, a '96 Accord and presently own a '01
>GSR and a '91 NSX and the fan speed will always drop a bit when in
>fresh mode. Nothing is wrong with your car. Check it with any other
>Honda or Acura and you'll see the same behavior.
>
>Paul