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Re: Gas smell after very short run?
jim beam wrote:
> Dan C wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:43:45 -0800, jim beam wrote: >> >>> no dude - did you not read what i explained about exactly /why/ it >>> occurs after a very short run like this??? true, it shouldn't occur >>> after a warmup, and in that case, you /would/ investigate, but after a >>> few seconds cold? gas stink is /inevitable/, and for the reasons >>> stated. >> >> Absolute and unadulterated bullshit. >> >> I have *never* smelled gas on *ANY* fuel-injected car (Honda or >> otherwise), regardless of how long it was run, unless there was a >> problem/ >> leak somewhere. > > then gasoline evaporates instantly when squirted on cold metal? i guess > my phase change data is all ed up then! > > >> >> You're full of . Quit ing FUD, and/or just be quiet when >> you don't know what you're talking about. > > no dude, fud is bleating about taking a sub-year old car, with a > spotless manufacture record, for a warranty check-up when you don't know > basic physics. Hmmm, Smelling gas when cold, not smelling when warm, whatever, is the gas mileage typical normal? Then what's the problem? Let's stop beating dead horse no more!!!! I only look under the hood if mileage is not normal(10Km/liter) |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:52:41 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>> I have *never* smelled gas on *ANY* fuel-injected car (Honda or >> otherwise), regardless of how long it was run, unless there was a >> problem/ leak somewhere. > then gasoline evaporates instantly when squirted on cold metal? i guess > my phase change data is all ed up then! WTF are you talking about with "squirting on cold metal"??? If there's fuel squirting on cold metal (outside the cylinder), then there's a ing leak somewhere, and that's a problem. Simple, no? To repeat, in a *properly* working (modern, fuel injected) engine, there should *never* be any smell of gasoline, regardless of the temperature. That's it. There are no exceptions, and no amount of twisting by you will change that. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Ahhhhhhh!: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/relieve.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Dan C wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 18:52:41 -0800, jim beam wrote: > >>> I have *never* smelled gas on *ANY* fuel-injected car (Honda or >>> otherwise), regardless of how long it was run, unless there was a >>> problem/ leak somewhere. > >> then gasoline evaporates instantly when squirted on cold metal? i guess >> my phase change data is all ed up then! > > WTF are you talking about with "squirting on cold metal"??? If there's > fuel squirting on cold metal (outside the cylinder), then there's a > ing leak somewhere, and that's a problem. Simple, no? go back and read the goddamned thread dan. right now, you're picking up dog ends. > > To repeat, in a *properly* working (modern, fuel injected) engine, there > should *never* be any smell of gasoline, regardless of the temperature. > That's it. There are no exceptions, and no amount of twisting by you > will change that. read the goddamned thread. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:fbCdnebqJf4ZcDDUnZ2dnUVZ_tmWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message >> news:r0maq4d6iqnov3tnsqrg5rfmol5s5icff8@4ax.com... >>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>> When I got out, there was the strong smell of unburned gasoline. Was >>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a cold run (the funky little >>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>> -- >>> >> Dillon, >> >> I asked the senior mechanic at work, Jim, if gas smells (not in my work >> truck, which is diesel) are normal when the engine is cold. He said, >> "Yeah, if you have a leak." Giving him more of the details he said the >> most likely problem in a new car is a rolled seal between one of the >> injectors and the fuel rail, in an older one the same seals harden when >> cold. The seals get more pliable when warm and the smell goes away. He >> said that gas smells, warm or cold, always mean a leak of some sort. >> >> Mike > > and my friend's friend says you need to go to the doctor and get your nose > checked out. Your friend's friend is a psychic doctor? Or is that your odd way of claiming you are infinitely more qualified than a career auto mechanic? Maybe you are just fond of wacky non sequiturs, since I didn't mention anything about my sense of smell. Dillon asked an honest question and I provided an honest answer from a source I trust. He is entitled to know what I was told by a qualified mechanic, whether it fits your explanation, or mine, or neither. What he does with the info is his business. I would have reported it all the same, though I have the distinct impression you would not have been so impartial. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me - I have certainly been wrong from time to time, often quite publicly - but the boorishness of your posts is inexcusable. As you may have guessed, what you think no longer has any importance to me, and I am sure the feeling is mutual... so why the snide comments? Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:fbCdnebqJf4ZcDDUnZ2dnUVZ_tmWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>> news:r0maq4d6iqnov3tnsqrg5rfmol5s5icff8@4ax.com... >>>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>>> When I got out, there was the strong smell of unburned gasoline. Was >>>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a cold run (the funky little >>>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>>> -- >>>> >>> Dillon, >>> >>> I asked the senior mechanic at work, Jim, if gas smells (not in my work >>> truck, which is diesel) are normal when the engine is cold. He said, >>> "Yeah, if you have a leak." Giving him more of the details he said the >>> most likely problem in a new car is a rolled seal between one of the >>> injectors and the fuel rail, in an older one the same seals harden when >>> cold. The seals get more pliable when warm and the smell goes away. He >>> said that gas smells, warm or cold, always mean a leak of some sort. >>> >>> Mike >> and my friend's friend says you need to go to the doctor and get your nose >> checked out. > > > Your friend's friend is a psychic doctor? Or is that your odd way of > claiming you are infinitely more qualified than a career auto mechanic? > Maybe you are just fond of wacky non sequiturs, since I didn't mention > anything about my sense of smell. > > Dillon asked an honest question and I provided an honest answer from a > source I trust. He is entitled to know what I was told by a qualified > mechanic, whether it fits your explanation, or mine, or neither. What he > does with the info is his business. I would have reported it all the same, > though I have the distinct impression you would not have been so impartial. > I have no problem with people disagreeing with me - I have certainly been > wrong from time to time, often quite publicly - but the boorishness of your > posts is inexcusable. As you may have guessed, what you think no longer has > any importance to me, and I am sure the feeling is mutual... so why the > snide comments? > > Mike > > dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or not. as for your "friend", if someone came to me and said they could smell gas, i'd say you needed to check for leaks. BUT /i/ would also ask what the situation was, and given the facts from the OP, and knowing the science, the reality goes beyond that. and if your "friend" /doesn't/ ask those kinds of questions, it's because they ant you out of their hair ASAP. oh, the temerity for calling a drama queen for what they are. left to your own devices, you'd have had the whole damned neighborhood burned down by now just to prove a point. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
jim beam wrote: > Michael Pardee wrote: > >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:fbCdnebqJf4ZcDDUnZ2dnUVZ_tmWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> >>> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> >>>> "Dillon Pyron" <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in message >>>> news:r0maq4d6iqnov3tnsqrg5rfmol5s5icff8@4ax.com... >>>> >>>>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>>>> When I got out, there was the strong smell of unburned gasoline. Was >>>>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a cold run (the funky little >>>>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>> Dillon, >>>> >>>> I asked the senior mechanic at work, Jim, if gas smells (not in my >>>> work truck, which is diesel) are normal when the engine is cold. He >>>> said, "Yeah, if you have a leak." Giving him more of the details he >>>> said the most likely problem in a new car is a rolled seal between >>>> one of the injectors and the fuel rail, in an older one the same >>>> seals harden when cold. The seals get more pliable when warm and the >>>> smell goes away. He said that gas smells, warm or cold, always mean >>>> a leak of some sort. >>>> >>>> Mike >>> >>> and my friend's friend says you need to go to the doctor and get your >>> nose checked out. >> >> >> >> Your friend's friend is a psychic doctor? Or is that your odd way of >> claiming you are infinitely more qualified than a career auto >> mechanic? Maybe you are just fond of wacky non sequiturs, since I >> didn't mention anything about my sense of smell. >> >> Dillon asked an honest question and I provided an honest answer from a >> source I trust. He is entitled to know what I was told by a qualified >> mechanic, whether it fits your explanation, or mine, or neither. What >> he does with the info is his business. I would have reported it all >> the same, though I have the distinct impression you would not have >> been so impartial. I have no problem with people disagreeing with me - >> I have certainly been wrong from time to time, often quite publicly - >> but the boorishness of your posts is inexcusable. As you may have >> guessed, what you think no longer has any importance to me, and I am >> sure the feeling is mutual... so why the snide comments? >> >> Mike >> > > dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down > version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or not. > > as for your "friend", if someone came to me and said they could smell > gas, i'd say you needed to check for leaks. BUT /i/ would also ask what > the situation was, and given the facts from the OP, and knowing the > science, the reality goes beyond that. and if your "friend" /doesn't/ > ask those kinds of questions, it's because they ant you out of their > hair ASAP. > > oh, the temerity for calling a drama queen for what they are. left to > your own devices, you'd have had the whole damned neighborhood burned > down by now just to prove a point. Wassamattah beam??? Them turd feedin' boids peckin' away at you again? JT |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:aqqdnaLdErRNEzPUnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down > version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or not. Dumbed down doesn't begin to cover it - your explanation is about as dumb as they come. Where in the world did you get that stupid idea about the injectors wetting the inside of the intake? You can't be that grossly ignorant of basic fuel system operation. You must know injectors produce a fine mist, and that if the injectors don't do that they have to be cleaned or replaced. How could you not know that the manifold is a wind tunnel at that point, which makes it impossible for the manifold to collect gasoline? Have you *ever* flow and pattern tested a fuel injector? No, you obviously haven't - you wouldn't parade your ignorance if you had ever seen it with your own eyes. That is to say nothing of the ludicrous concept that the gasoline vapors would pour past the closed throttle plate and through the air filter and intake plumbing to create the "strong smell" the OP reported. I'm sure you will favor us with the equations for your "physics" for all that - you are bragging you understand all that. You can even "dumb it down" by leaving out the partial pressures of the more volatile components of the winter blend being used and assume it is all octane. It isn't even all that hard - by estimating the cross-section of the intake manifold branches and using the known displacement and idle RPMs you can calculate the peak and average air velocities past the injectors. With your superior knowledge of physics I'm sure you can calculate the average particle size of the injector output for the rated rail pressure and the fluid flow equations for the dispersal in the intake, including the lateral displacement of the plume in the previously calculated air stream. You can also calculate the diffusion past the obstacles I mentioned (you can assume a 500 millibar drop across the throttle plate at idle - it will be close enough for this purpose and will allow you to estimate the effective throttle opening at idle) to arrive at the vapor outflow rate at the mouth of the intake. Otherwise stop with your bogus claim of "physics." If you nail the equations I won't even take exception at your petty insults. Otherwise we will know you are a loudmouth know-nothing... as if we really doubted it now. Put up or shut up. Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:31:26 -0800, jim beam wrote:
>> To repeat, in a *properly* working (modern, fuel injected) engine, >> there should *never* be any smell of gasoline, regardless of the >> temperature. That's it. There are no exceptions, and no amount of >> twisting by you will change that. > read the goddamned thread. Nah. I've already wasted too much time on you. You're delusional, or stupid. I can't tell which. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Ahhhhhhh!: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/relieve.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:aqqdnaLdErRNEzPUnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down >> version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or not. > > Dumbed down doesn't begin to cover it - your explanation is about as dumb as > they come. Where in the world did you get that stupid idea about the > injectors wetting the inside of the intake? You can't be that grossly > ignorant of basic fuel system operation. You must know injectors produce a > fine mist, and that if the injectors don't do that they have to be cleaned > or replaced. oh brother - where do we start with you michael? how about we start with the fact that gasoline is liquid. it takes time and energy to evaporate. add air to the mix, and the evaporation rate changes. and if it's sprayed onto cold metal, which it is until the engine warms up, a significant portion /remains/ liquid. that's why injection runs rich on cold engines. if it didn't, there'd be no need to do that! > How could you not know that the manifold is a wind tunnel at > that point, which makes it impossible for the manifold to collect gasoline? nope. > Have you *ever* flow and pattern tested a fuel injector? No, you obviously > haven't oh dear, wrong again. - you wouldn't parade your ignorance if you had ever seen it with > your own eyes. That is to say nothing of the ludicrous concept that the > gasoline vapors would pour past the closed throttle plate and through the > air filter and intake plumbing to create the "strong smell" the OP reported. > > I'm sure you will favor us with the equations for your "physics" for all > that - you are bragging you understand all that. You can even "dumb it down" > by leaving out the partial pressures of the more volatile components of the > winter blend being used and assume it is all octane. It isn't even all that > hard - by estimating the cross-section of the intake manifold branches and > using the known displacement and idle RPMs you can calculate the peak and > average air velocities past the injectors. red herring if you don't understand basics like evaporation. > With your superior knowledge of > physics I'm sure you can calculate the average particle size of the injector > output for the rated rail pressure and the fluid flow equations for the > dispersal in the intake, including the lateral displacement of the plume in > the previously calculated air stream. You can also calculate the diffusion > past the obstacles er, intake mass flow is not "diffusion". > I mentioned (you can assume a 500 millibar drop across > the throttle plate at idle - it will be close enough for this purpose and > will allow you to estimate the effective throttle opening at idle) to arrive > at the vapor outflow rate at the mouth of the intake. Otherwise stop with > your bogus claim of "physics." translate pressure drop into evaporation at ambient. show the cooling effect if you want to show off. > If you nail the equations I won't even take > exception at your petty insults. Otherwise we will know you are a loudmouth > know-nothing... as if we really doubted it now. > > Put up or shut up. > > Mike > > so why run rich on cold start mike? |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
jim beam wrote:
> Michael Pardee wrote: >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:aqqdnaLdErRNEzPUnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >>> dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed >>> down version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like >>> it or not. >> >> Dumbed down doesn't begin to cover it - your explanation is about as >> dumb as they come. Where in the world did you get that stupid idea >> about the injectors wetting the inside of the intake? You can't be >> that grossly ignorant of basic fuel system operation. You must know >> injectors produce a fine mist, and that if the injectors don't do that >> they have to be cleaned or replaced. > > oh brother - where do we start with you michael? how about we start > with the fact that gasoline is liquid. it takes time and energy to > evaporate. add air to the mix, and the evaporation rate changes. and > if it's sprayed onto cold metal, which it is until the engine warms up, > a significant portion /remains/ liquid. that's why injection runs rich > on cold engines. if it didn't, there'd be no need to do that! > > >> How could you not know that the manifold is a wind tunnel at that >> point, which makes it impossible for the manifold to collect gasoline? > > nope. > > >> Have you *ever* flow and pattern tested a fuel injector? No, you >> obviously haven't > > oh dear, wrong again. > > > > - you wouldn't parade your ignorance if you had ever seen it with >> your own eyes. That is to say nothing of the ludicrous concept that >> the gasoline vapors would pour past the closed throttle plate and >> through the air filter and intake plumbing to create the "strong >> smell" the OP reported. >> >> I'm sure you will favor us with the equations for your "physics" for >> all that - you are bragging you understand all that. You can even >> "dumb it down" by leaving out the partial pressures of the more >> volatile components of the winter blend being used and assume it is >> all octane. It isn't even all that hard - by estimating the >> cross-section of the intake manifold branches and using the known >> displacement and idle RPMs you can calculate the peak and average air >> velocities past the injectors. > > red herring if you don't understand basics like evaporation. > > >> With your superior knowledge of physics I'm sure you can calculate the >> average particle size of the injector output for the rated rail >> pressure and the fluid flow equations for the dispersal in the intake, >> including the lateral displacement of the plume in the previously >> calculated air stream. You can also calculate the diffusion past the >> obstacles > > er, intake mass flow is not "diffusion". > > > >> I mentioned (you can assume a 500 millibar drop across the throttle >> plate at idle - it will be close enough for this purpose and will >> allow you to estimate the effective throttle opening at idle) to >> arrive at the vapor outflow rate at the mouth of the intake. Otherwise >> stop with your bogus claim of "physics." > > translate pressure drop into evaporation at ambient. show the cooling > effect if you want to show off. > > >> If you nail the equations I won't even take exception at your petty >> insults. Otherwise we will know you are a loudmouth know-nothing... as >> if we really doubted it now. >> >> Put up or shut up. >> >> Mike >> > > so why run rich on cold start mike? http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:26udnfaTYqNn1TLUnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:aqqdnaLdErRNEzPUnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >>> dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down >>> version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or >>> not. >> >> Dumbed down doesn't begin to cover it - your explanation is about as dumb >> as they come. Where in the world did you get that stupid idea about the >> injectors wetting the inside of the intake? You can't be that grossly >> ignorant of basic fuel system operation. You must know injectors produce >> a fine mist, and that if the injectors don't do that they have to be >> cleaned or replaced. > > oh brother - where do we start with you michael? how about we start with > the fact that gasoline is liquid. it takes time and energy to evaporate. > add air to the mix, and the evaporation rate changes. and if it's sprayed > onto cold metal, which it is until the engine warms up, a significant > portion /remains/ liquid. that's why injection runs rich on cold engines. > if it didn't, there'd be no need to do that! > Stop waffling and show us the math. You claim the atmosphere is condensing, which is contrary to the entire point of electronic fuel injection (if it is condensing, the indefinite lag makes control of the mixture impossible). In your fantasy world a carburetor would work every bit as well; just shove gasoline down its throat and the engine runs when cold. You call it "physics", so I want to see it. It's your screwball theory - defend it or stop spouting nonsense. So far, everything you have asserted has only illuminated your ignorance of automotive basics. If your vision of "spraying the gasoline onto cold metal" were accurate the engine would already be flooded, as anybody who has dealt with a flooded engine knows. You seem to have no idea what "rich" means in this context. The problem is one of producing a combustible mixture at the plug in spite of the lower vapor pressures at lower temperatures. To do that the mixture is shifted toward the rich end, but there is not a lot of margin for movement; if the mixture goes above 13.1:1 (from the nominal 14.7:1 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoichiometry) it won't burn - the engine is flooded. From "The Physics Factbook" at hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ShaniChristopher.shtml "The mixture cannot burn when it contains more than 7.6% gasoline because it is too rich to burn." Ideal 6.8%, maximum 7.6%, or no more than an extra 12% or the engine floods - that is what "rich" means in a gasoline engine. I'm still waiting for the physics you claim, professor, not hand waving arguments. You are still off on that garbage about the injectors "spraying onto cold metal" - which is strange, since you claim to have flow and pattern tested injectors; you would not think such a stupid thing if you even understood the significance of the pattern. You have not offered even an explanation how the injector output, even if it were a stream, would end up on the intake wall instead of being summarily sucked into the cylinders as it must be for EFI to operate. Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:26udnfaTYqNn1TLUnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >>> news:aqqdnaLdErRNEzPUnZ2dnUVZ_jSWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >>>> dude, you're being an ass. the explanation i gave you is a dumbed down >>>> version of the physics involved. it happens, whether you like it or >>>> not. >>> Dumbed down doesn't begin to cover it - your explanation is about as dumb >>> as they come. Where in the world did you get that stupid idea about the >>> injectors wetting the inside of the intake? You can't be that grossly >>> ignorant of basic fuel system operation. You must know injectors produce >>> a fine mist, and that if the injectors don't do that they have to be >>> cleaned or replaced. >> oh brother - where do we start with you michael? how about we start with >> the fact that gasoline is liquid. it takes time and energy to evaporate. >> add air to the mix, and the evaporation rate changes. and if it's sprayed >> onto cold metal, which it is until the engine warms up, a significant >> portion /remains/ liquid. that's why injection runs rich on cold engines. >> if it didn't, there'd be no need to do that! >> > > Stop waffling and show us the math. You claim the atmosphere is condensing, > which is contrary to the entire point of electronic fuel injection (if it is > condensing, the indefinite lag makes control of the mixture impossible). In > your fantasy world a carburetor would work every bit as well; just shove > gasoline down its throat and the engine runs when cold. You call it > "physics", so I want to see it. It's your screwball theory - defend it or > stop spouting nonsense. So far, everything you have asserted has only > illuminated your ignorance of automotive basics. If your vision of "spraying > the gasoline onto cold metal" were accurate the engine would already be > flooded, as anybody who has dealt with a flooded engine knows. > > You seem to have no idea what "rich" means in this context. The problem is > one of producing a combustible mixture at the plug in spite of the lower > vapor pressures at lower temperatures. To do that the mixture is shifted > toward the rich end, but there is not a lot of margin for movement; if the > mixture goes above 13.1:1 (from the nominal 14.7:1 > en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoichiometry) it won't burn - the engine is flooded. > From "The Physics Factbook" at > hypertextbook.com/facts/2003/ShaniChristopher.shtml "The mixture cannot burn > when it contains more than 7.6% gasoline because it is too rich to burn." > Ideal 6.8%, maximum 7.6%, or no more than an extra 12% or the engine > floods - that is what "rich" means in a gasoline engine. > > I'm still waiting for the physics you claim, professor, not hand waving > arguments. You are still off on that garbage about the injectors "spraying > onto cold metal" - which is strange, since you claim to have flow and > pattern tested injectors; you would not think such a stupid thing if you > even understood the significance of the pattern. You have not offered even > an explanation how the injector output, even if it were a stream, would end > up on the intake wall instead of being summarily sucked into the cylinders > as it must be for EFI to operate. > > Mike > > http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... > > http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg > From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric alignment of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors which will control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the area of the intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with carburetor engines and single-point injection systems, manifold-wall fuel condensation in multipoint injection systems is reduced significantly." I heard that somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed that out to you and you arrogantly waved it off, preferring to insult me instead. It appears the best you can do is discredit your own contentions. You have also failed to address the problems of getting vapors past the throttle, the air filter and the intake plumbing, and into the ambient air in sufficient concentration to produce the "strong smell" that started this whole thread.. You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands around. Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the basis of your argument? Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> >> http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg >> >> > From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric > alignment of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors > which will control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the > area of the intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with > carburetor engines and single-point injection systems, manifold-wall > fuel condensation in multipoint injection systems is reduced > significantly." I heard that somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed > that out to you and you arrogantly waved it off, preferring to insult me > instead. It appears the best you can do is discredit your own > contentions. You have also failed to address the problems of getting > vapors past the throttle, the air filter and the intake plumbing, and > into the ambient air in sufficient concentration to produce the "strong > smell" that started this whole thread.. > > You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands > around. Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the > basis of your argument? No, he cannot. He's just talking out of his ass, and doesn't know what he's saying. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Ahhhhhhh!: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/relieve.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
jim beam foamed:
> dude, you're being an ass. Mr. Pot, meet Mrs. Kettle! Jim, why is it that damn near every thread you wade into becomes a shitstorm? You are the only person who routinely gets involved in mudslinging of this sort. Everyone else shares their opinion without judgment, and we usually get along just fine. What's your problem? -Moo |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Dan C wrote: > On Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:27:46 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote: > > >>"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >>news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> >>>http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg >>> >>> >> >>From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric >>alignment of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors >>which will control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the >>area of the intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with >>carburetor engines and single-point injection systems, manifold-wall >>fuel condensation in multipoint injection systems is reduced >>significantly." I heard that somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed >>that out to you and you arrogantly waved it off, preferring to insult me >>instead. It appears the best you can do is discredit your own >>contentions. You have also failed to address the problems of getting >>vapors past the throttle, the air filter and the intake plumbing, and >>into the ambient air in sufficient concentration to produce the "strong >>smell" that started this whole thread.. >> >>You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands >>around. Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the >>basis of your argument? > > > No, he cannot. He's just talking out of his ass, and doesn't know what > he's saying. > But, but, but... His ass supplies all the feces he tosses around here! <G> JT |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg >> > > From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric alignment > of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors which will > control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the area of the > intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with carburetor engines and > single-point injection systems, manifold-wall fuel condensation in > multipoint injection systems is reduced significantly." I heard that > somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed that out to you and you arrogantly > waved it off, preferring to insult me instead. It appears the best you can > do is discredit your own contentions. You have also failed to address the > problems of getting vapors past the throttle, the air filter and the intake > plumbing, and into the ambient air in sufficient concentration to produce > the "strong smell" that started this whole thread.. > > You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands around. > Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the basis of your > argument? > > Mike > > now let's see: 1. i explain the wetting situation, but the drama queen goes nuclear with "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that destroys his Fit and possibly his home". 2. i cite a text book corroborating precisely what i explained, but based on the above, it's apparently too hard to understand. and yet i am the one with the problem! ridiculous. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 07:52:17 -0800, jim beam wrote:
> and yet i am the one with the problem! Yes. > ridiculous. You are. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Ahhhhhhh!: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/relieve.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:SpKdnd5Qe4uuBS_UnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg >>> >> >> From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric >> alignment of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors >> which will control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the >> area of the intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with carburetor >> engines and single-point injection systems, manifold-wall fuel >> condensation in multipoint injection systems is reduced significantly." I >> heard that somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed that out to you and >> you arrogantly waved it off, preferring to insult me instead. It appears >> the best you can do is discredit your own contentions. You have also >> failed to address the problems of getting vapors past the throttle, the >> air filter and the intake plumbing, and into the ambient air in >> sufficient concentration to produce the "strong smell" that started this >> whole thread.. >> >> You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands >> around. Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the >> basis of your argument? >> >> Mike > > now let's see: > > 1. i explain the wetting situation, but the drama queen goes nuclear > with "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that destroys his Fit and > possibly his home". > > 2. i cite a text book corroborating precisely what i explained, but > based on the above, it's apparently too hard to understand. > > and yet i am the one with the problem! ridiculous. > > So in answer to my question, after four opportunities you can *not* present the "physics" you have been babbling about. You are a fraud. You aren't keeping up with the subject at all. Your points were disproven by the source you cited as detailed in the last post (did you even read the page you posted?) You haven't tried to explain how the remnant of vapor in the manifold is supposed to get out, or quantify the amount in the manifold, or answer *any* relevant question posed. You ridiculed the evaluation of a professional, just because you didn't like what he had to say. Your myth is busted but you still think you must save face rather than admit an error like normal people do. You are indeed the one with the problems - you are unable to keep up with even this simple subject, instead rambling and blustering with every post, just as you did this time. You use bullying taunts (as you just did again) to try to deflect examination of your errors - an even uglier problem that does not speak well of your present mental capacity. Those are really huge problems you have. I hope you are just drunk when you post, because it is really sad to think of you having those deficiencies when sober. Take care of yourself. Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com>
wrote: > 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled > it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. > When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was > this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little > blue thermometer was still on)? > -- > > - dillon I am not invalid > > Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only > Gold I'm thinking of. > > Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
<brownt@flash.net> wrote in message news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled > it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. > When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was > this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little > blue thermometer was still on)? > -- > > - dillon I am not invalid > > Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only > Gold I'm thinking of. > > Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. ================================================= That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective observation that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the cold engine exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:SpKdnd5Qe4uuBS_UnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >>> news:vt-dnbDKIYf-RTLUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>>> http://i40.tinypic.com/n4zfhw.jpg >>>> >>> From the last two paragraphs on that page, "Defining the geometric >>> alignment of fuel sprays... will allow the selection of fuel injectors >>> which will control or minimize manifold wall fuel condensation in the >>> area of the intake duct and the intake valves." "Compared with carburetor >>> engines and single-point injection systems, manifold-wall fuel >>> condensation in multipoint injection systems is reduced significantly." I >>> heard that somewhere before... oh, right! I pointed that out to you and >>> you arrogantly waved it off, preferring to insult me instead. It appears >>> the best you can do is discredit your own contentions. You have also >>> failed to address the problems of getting vapors past the throttle, the >>> air filter and the intake plumbing, and into the ambient air in >>> sufficient concentration to produce the "strong smell" that started this >>> whole thread.. >>> >>> You insisted you had "physics" and you are still waving your hands >>> around. Can you or can you not present the physics you insist is the >>> basis of your argument? >>> >>> Mike >> now let's see: >> >> 1. i explain the wetting situation, but the drama queen goes nuclear >> with "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that destroys his Fit and >> possibly his home". >> >> 2. i cite a text book corroborating precisely what i explained, but >> based on the above, it's apparently too hard to understand. >> >> and yet i am the one with the problem! ridiculous. >> >> > > So in answer to my question, after four opportunities you can *not* present > the "physics" you have been babbling about. You are a fraud. it's in the book cite i gave you!!! if you don't see or understand that, it's not my fault! > > You aren't keeping up with the subject at all. Your points were disproven by > the source you cited as detailed in the last post (did you even read the > page you posted?) You haven't tried to explain how the remnant of vapor in > the manifold is supposed to get out, or quantify the amount in the manifold, > or answer *any* relevant question posed. You ridiculed the evaluation of a > professional, no, i ridicule the "interpreted" version you give - the one you filtered through your lack of understanding. > just because you didn't like what he had to say. Your myth is > busted but you still think you must save face rather than admit an error > like normal people do. wow. utter lack of comprehension! > > You are indeed the one with the problems - you are unable to keep up with > even this simple subject, instead rambling and blustering with every post, > just as you did this time. You use bullying taunts (as you just did again) > to try to deflect examination of your errors - an even uglier problem that > does not speak well of your present mental capacity. Those are really huge > problems you have. I hope you are just drunk when you post, because it is > really sad to think of you having those deficiencies when sober. Take care > of yourself. whatever you say. don't bother with an engineering career though mike - you're out of your depth. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> <brownt@flash.net> wrote in message > news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> > wrote: >> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >> blue thermometer was still on)? >> -- >> >> - dillon I am not invalid >> >> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >> Gold I'm thinking of. >> >> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. > > There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly > burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't > clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. > > I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. > > ================================================= > > That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective observation > that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the cold engine > exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. > > Mike > > what a weak-ass climb-down! |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:PJidnb-OlLYgby7UnZ2dnUVZ_oWWnZ2d@speakeasy.net... > > whatever you say. don't bother with an engineering career though mike - > you're out of your depth. Too late - I was a senior communications field engineer for a Fortune 100 company from about 1990 to about 2005. Now a senior IS field tech for the same company; more challenging, more troubleshooting, pays better, get stranded in some of the most beautiful places in Northern Arizona. Among other duties, I determine where microwave system troubles originate and go there with what I expect to need to correct the problem - which can include damage from lightning strikes - and I have to make it happen better than 9 times out of 10. I describe the job as "taking Computer Age skills to the end of Bronze Age roads in any weather at any time of day or night." I have been a troubleshooter professionally since August 10, 1970, after I got my FCC First Class Radiotelephone license at age 17, and as an amateur since I was 14 years old. I have done essentially all the maintenance on the cars in my family since moving to Arizona in 1974, taking most of them beyond the 20 year mark. (BTW, I have never in my life had a grade lower than an A on any physics test.) Your qualifications? |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:PJidnb6OlLZ3by7UnZ2dnUVZ_oULAAAA@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> <brownt@flash.net> wrote in message >> news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >> On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> >> wrote: >>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>> -- >>> >>> - dillon I am not invalid >>> >>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >>> Gold I'm thinking of. >>> >>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. >> >> There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly >> burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't >> clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. >> >> I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. >> >> ================================================= >> >> That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective >> observation that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the >> cold engine exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. >> >> Mike > > what a weak-ass climb-down! > Do you have something intelligent to say? Write like a man or go away. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:PJidnb6OlLZ3by7UnZ2dnUVZ_oULAAAA@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> <brownt@flash.net> wrote in message >>> news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >>> On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> >>> wrote: >>>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>>> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >>>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >>>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>>> -- >>>> >>>> - dillon I am not invalid >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >>>> Gold I'm thinking of. >>>> >>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. >>> There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly >>> burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't >>> clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. >>> >>> I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. >>> >>> ================================================= >>> >>> That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective >>> observation that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the >>> cold engine exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. >>> >>> Mike >> what a weak-ass climb-down! >> > > Do you have something intelligent to say? Write like a man or go away. > > something intelligent like "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that destroys his Fit and possibly his home"? that kind of a man? |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:PJidnb-OlLYgby7UnZ2dnUVZ_oWWnZ2d@speakeasy.net... >> whatever you say. don't bother with an engineering career though mike - >> you're out of your depth. > > Too late - I was a senior communications field engineer for a Fortune 100 > company from about 1990 to about 2005. Now a senior IS field tech for the > same company; more challenging, more troubleshooting, pays better, get > stranded in some of the most beautiful places in Northern Arizona. Among > other duties, I determine where microwave system troubles originate and go > there with what I expect to need to correct the problem - which can include > damage from lightning strikes - and I have to make it happen better than 9 > times out of 10. I describe the job as "taking Computer Age skills to the > end of Bronze Age roads in any weather at any time of day or night." I have > been a troubleshooter professionally since August 10, 1970, after I got my > FCC First Class Radiotelephone license at age 17, and as an amateur since I > was 14 years old. I have done essentially all the maintenance on the cars in > my family since moving to Arizona in 1974, taking most of them beyond the 20 > year mark. (BTW, I have never in my life had a grade lower than an A on any > physics test.) Your qualifications? > > dude, i have the first class comms licence books on my desk right now. passing that stuff at 14 is not exactly a landmark of academic achievement. i'll stop there. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:SKqdnTmhlpN5mSnUnZ2dnUVZ_heWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:PJidnb-OlLYgby7UnZ2dnUVZ_oWWnZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>> whatever you say. don't bother with an engineering career though mike - >>> you're out of your depth. >> >> Too late - I was a senior communications field engineer for a Fortune 100 >> company from about 1990 to about 2005. Now a senior IS field tech for the >> same company; more challenging, more troubleshooting, pays better, get >> stranded in some of the most beautiful places in Northern Arizona. Among >> other duties, I determine where microwave system troubles originate and >> go there with what I expect to need to correct the problem - which can >> include damage from lightning strikes - and I have to make it happen >> better than 9 times out of 10. I describe the job as "taking Computer Age >> skills to the end of Bronze Age roads in any weather at any time of day >> or night." I have been a troubleshooter professionally since August 10, >> 1970, after I got my FCC First Class Radiotelephone license at age 17, >> and as an amateur since I was 14 years old. I have done essentially all >> the maintenance on the cars in my family since moving to Arizona in 1974, >> taking most of them beyond the 20 year mark. (BTW, I have never in my >> life had a grade lower than an A on any physics test.) Your >> qualifications? > > dude, i have the first class comms licence books on my desk right now. > passing that stuff at 14 is not exactly a landmark of academic > achievement. > > i'll stop there. > At 17. You talk a big game but never take the field. Since 2/3 of applicants failed the test the first time around it isn't as trivial as you make it out to be. Actually, element 3 (not element 4) was the one that got most people. Several questions in the real test had more than one right answer: In a transmitting tetrode, when the plate is tuned to resonance the (A) plate current rises (B) screen current rises (C) cathode current drops (D) grid current drops. I remember it because it was the most esoteric question on the test, and my favorite. The answer was (C); although B was also correct it is not used as an indication of resonance because it can be the result of other operating conditions. (A is simply wrong, D is an indication of improper neutralization.) But I'm sure you would have breezed through, what with your superior abilities and all. BTW - if the book still refers to first and second class licenses you should retire it, even if it is the classic study guide "Electronic Communication" by my friend in the San Leandro Amateur Radio Club, Robert Shrader. The "class" licenses were replaced by General Radiotelephone licenses around 1985, when only the international classes of stations were retained as requiring them. The bottom line is: before I was old enough to buy tobacco, but smart enough not to, I was licensed to be employed as chief engineer at any radio or television broadcast station or any other transmitting site in the US. So, again, what are your qualifications? What are you hiding? |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:SKqdnTmhlpN5mSnUnZ2dnUVZ_heWnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >>> news:PJidnb-OlLYgby7UnZ2dnUVZ_oWWnZ2d@speakeasy.net... >>>> whatever you say. don't bother with an engineering career though mike - >>>> you're out of your depth. >>> Too late - I was a senior communications field engineer for a Fortune 100 >>> company from about 1990 to about 2005. Now a senior IS field tech for the >>> same company; more challenging, more troubleshooting, pays better, get >>> stranded in some of the most beautiful places in Northern Arizona. Among >>> other duties, I determine where microwave system troubles originate and >>> go there with what I expect to need to correct the problem - which can >>> include damage from lightning strikes - and I have to make it happen >>> better than 9 times out of 10. I describe the job as "taking Computer Age >>> skills to the end of Bronze Age roads in any weather at any time of day >>> or night." I have been a troubleshooter professionally since August 10, >>> 1970, after I got my FCC First Class Radiotelephone license at age 17, >>> and as an amateur since I was 14 years old. I have done essentially all >>> the maintenance on the cars in my family since moving to Arizona in 1974, >>> taking most of them beyond the 20 year mark. (BTW, I have never in my >>> life had a grade lower than an A on any physics test.) Your >>> qualifications? >> dude, i have the first class comms licence books on my desk right now. >> passing that stuff at 14 is not exactly a landmark of academic >> achievement. >> >> i'll stop there. >> > > At 17. You talk a big game but never take the field. Since 2/3 of applicants > failed the test the first time around it isn't as trivial as you make it out > to be. Actually, element 3 (not element 4) was the one that got most people. > Several questions in the real test had more than one right answer: In a > transmitting tetrode, when the plate is tuned to resonance the (A) plate > current rises (B) screen current rises (C) cathode current drops (D) grid > current drops. I remember it because it was the most esoteric question on > the test, and my favorite. The answer was (C); although B was also correct > it is not used as an indication of resonance because it can be the result of > other operating conditions. (A is simply wrong, D is an indication of > improper neutralization.) But I'm sure you would have breezed through, what > with your superior abilities and all. > > BTW - if the book still refers to first and second class licenses you should > retire it, even if it is the classic study guide "Electronic Communication" > by my friend in the San Leandro Amateur Radio Club, Robert Shrader. /WOW/!!!! oh, wait, i'm not impressed. > The > "class" licenses were replaced by General Radiotelephone licenses around > 1985, when only the international classes of stations were retained as > requiring them. The bottom line is: before I was old enough to buy tobacco, > but smart enough not to, I was licensed to be employed as chief engineer at > any radio or television broadcast station or any other transmitting site in > the US. you're a service tech. whoopee. > > So, again, what are your qualifications? What are you hiding? wouldn't you like to know! |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:27ednRxbkel8ninUnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> news:PJidnb6OlLZ3by7UnZ2dnUVZ_oULAAAA@speakeasy.ne t... >>> Michael Pardee wrote: >>>> <brownt@flash.net> wrote in message >>>> news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >>>> On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>>>> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >>>>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >>>>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> - dillon I am not invalid >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >>>>> Gold I'm thinking of. >>>>> >>>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. >>>> There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly >>>> burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't >>>> clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. >>>> >>>> I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. >>>> >>>> ================================================= >>>> >>>> That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective >>>> observation that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the >>>> cold engine exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. >>>> >>>> Mike >>> what a weak-ass climb-down! >>> >> >> Do you have something intelligent to say? Write like a man or go away. > > something intelligent like "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that > destroys his Fit and possibly his home"? that kind of a man? > No - you are still thinking like a teenage girl. This is not about your petty personal hangups, it is about automobiles. If you read almost any other contributor's posts you will get the idea. Your perspective is grossly abnormal - most guys stop thinking like that in their mid teens - and your obsession with personal issues is just plain creepy. Like I said, write like a man or go away. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message news:loKdnUr7_JUOjinUnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> >> So, again, what are your qualifications? What are you hiding? > > wouldn't you like to know! > That says it all. You have no qualifications whatsoever. We suspected as much but at least we heard it from you. That explains why you refused (were unable?) to stay on topic and squirmed whenever the topic became in the least technical. It also explains why the big bluff of having "physics" but never delivering. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:27ednRxbkel8ninUnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >>> news:PJidnb6OlLZ3by7UnZ2dnUVZ_oULAAAA@speakeasy.ne t... >>>> Michael Pardee wrote: >>>>> <brownt@flash.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:746e1443-4276-4342-975c-ca135f72abc4@q18g2000vbn.googlegroups.com... >>>>> On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >>>>>> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >>>>>> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >>>>>> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >>>>>> blue thermometer was still on)? >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> - dillon I am not invalid >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >>>>>> Gold I'm thinking of. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. >>>>> There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly >>>>> burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't >>>>> clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. >>>>> >>>>> I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. >>>>> >>>>> ================================================= >>>>> >>>>> That's a possibility. We have been going on a rather subjective >>>>> observation that it was a strong gasoline smell, but if it was just the >>>>> cold engine exhaust he was smelling you are spot on. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>> what a weak-ass climb-down! >>>> >>> Do you have something intelligent to say? Write like a man or go away. >> something intelligent like "if tomorrow the OP reports a fire that >> destroys his Fit and possibly his home"? that kind of a man? >> > > No - you are still thinking like a teenage girl. so being a girl is supposed to be a bad and demeaning thing? what a cocksucker! > This is not about your > petty personal hangups, it is about automobiles. wow, not only are you a drama queen, you're demeaning, sexist /and/ delusional! > > If you read almost any other contributor's posts you will get the idea. Your > perspective is grossly abnormal - most guys stop thinking like that in their > mid teens - and your obsession with personal issues is just plain creepy. > Like I said, write like a man or go away. a "man" like you??? what a ing idiot. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:loKdnUr7_JUOjinUnZ2dnUVZ_qHinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> So, again, what are your qualifications? What are you hiding? >> wouldn't you like to know! >> > > That says it all. You have no qualifications whatsoever. We suspected as > much but at least we heard it from you. That explains why you refused (were > unable?) to stay on topic and squirmed whenever the topic became in the > least technical. It also explains why the big bluff of having "physics" but > never delivering. > > wow, look at the idiot trying to start a fight he won't win! do you want to lose a penis measuring contest as well? |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:VfCdndsK7sP8hinUnZ2dnUVZ_uGdnZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > > wow, look at the idiot trying to start a fight he won't win! do you want > to lose a penis measuring contest as well? > That is the most bizarre and meaningless thing you have written here yet, and that is really saying something. I don't know exactly what your problem is - the source of your intellectual and social dysfunctions - but I hope it is something you can straighten out. If it is a substance problem you can kick it; the real world is nowhere near as ugly as the one you are showing us. If you are suffering from bipolar disorder a doctor may be able to help. All I am sure of is that you are currently one seriously messed up individual. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message
news:FYydnU_SAdrXiinUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... > Michael Pardee wrote: >> Like I said, write like a man or go away. > > a "man" like you??? what a ing idiot. > Apparently you can't. Go away. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On 3/8/09 11:06 PM, in article _-ydnap1P6IyCCnUnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@sedona.net, "Michael Pardee" <null@null.org> wrote: > "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message > news:FYydnU_SAdrXiinUnZ2dnUVZ_trinZ2d@speakeasy.ne t... >> Michael Pardee wrote: >>> Like I said, write like a man or go away. >> >> a "man" like you??? what a ing idiot. >> > Apparently you can't. Go away. > > Surely you've noticed by now that he is incapable of letting anybody else get the last word on anything. Just kill-file the old fart and let it go. |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Michael Pardee wrote:
> "jim beam" <retard-trap@bad.example.net> wrote in message >> wow, look at the idiot trying to start a fight he won't win! do you want >> to lose a penis measuring contest as well? ROLLING ON THE FLOOR!! ---------------------- LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!! WOW!!! That was the most entertaining example of Net Kookery I've witnessed in some time. With Vulcan logic like that, who needs an opponent?! > That is the most bizarre and meaningless thing you have written here yet, > and that is really saying something. Understatement. Of. The. Year. The score is 108-0 .... at the end of the first quarter. Maybe it's time to dust off the "Mercy Rule" Michael. :) The continuing slaughter, while entertaining, is so one sided as to be cruel. > I don't know exactly what your problem > is - the source of your intellectual and social dysfunctions - but I hope it > is something you can straighten out. If it is a substance problem you can > kick it; the real world is nowhere near as ugly as the one you are showing > us. If you are suffering from bipolar disorder a doctor may be able to help. > All I am sure of is that you are currently one seriously messed up > individual. Roids, maybe? He reminds me of a certain punk-assed 17 year old football jock I had the misfortune of sharing a class with. A legend in his own mind, suffering chronic testosterone poisoning, who had taken one too many shots to the head. Still LAMO! :) Thanks Jim! |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
"Greg Campbell" <nospam@null.net> wrote in message
news:Lrctl.57899$Rg3.419@newsfe17.iad... > > Roids, maybe? > He reminds me of a certain punk-assed 17 year old football jock I had the > misfortune of sharing a class with. A legend in his own mind, suffering > chronic testosterone poisoning, who had taken one too many shots to the > head. > Roids are something I don't know anything about. I have known alcoholics in my family when I was a kid, and have recent experience with a cocaine addict of 30 years' standing, and a meth freak who has let up in recent years (both in my in-laws extended family). The effect of cocaine is the one that I find easiest to recognize when it gets bad - nothing else I've seen produces the lurid and grandiose language with self-adulation. I think that is why I've emt recovering alcoholids and recovering speed freaks but no recovering coke heads - they think they are walking down a red carpet with flashbulbs going off around them while in reality the people around them are wondering when they last brushed their teeth - if ever. Alcoholics tend to know they are screwed up but try not to acknowledge it. I still don't know for sure "jim's" problem isn't medical - either mental retardation from childhood or bipolar disorder from the typical adolescent / early adulthood time frame. If it is bipolar, it isn't as bad as most I've had occasional contact with. Either way, I don't condemn people who were dealt a bad hand in terms of their health, but nobody needs to be such a jerk. The oddest thing was his use of "drama queen" - I have only heard the term used by shrewish women, flamboyant gay men ( the "Bitch!" crowd) and coke addicts. Men who can face the world just never think such a thing... it's too weird. If he is one of the first two groups (we don't know the true sex or sexual orientation of anybody online) it explains but does not forgive the insult, but in light of his inability to understand simple definitions or simple technical writing I suspect something is taking over his life. Mike |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
On Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:20:52 -0700, Michael Pardee wrote:
> "Greg Campbell" <nospam@null.net> wrote in message > news:Lrctl.57899$Rg3.419@newsfe17.iad... >> >> Roids, maybe? >> He reminds me of a certain punk-assed 17 year old football jock I had >> the misfortune of sharing a class with. A legend in his own mind, >> suffering chronic testosterone poisoning, who had taken one too many >> shots to the head. >> > Roids are something I don't know anything about. I have known alcoholics > in my family when I was a kid, and have recent experience with a cocaine > addict of 30 years' standing, and a meth freak who has let up in recent > years (both in my in-laws extended family). The effect of cocaine is the > one that I find easiest to recognize when it gets bad - nothing else > I've seen produces the lurid and grandiose language with self-adulation. > I think that is why I've emt recovering alcoholids and recovering speed > freaks but no recovering coke heads - they think they are walking down a > red carpet with flashbulbs going off around them while in reality the > people around them are wondering when they last brushed their teeth - if > ever. Alcoholics tend to know they are screwed up but try not to > acknowledge it. > > I still don't know for sure "jim's" problem isn't medical - either > mental retardation from childhood or bipolar disorder from the typical > adolescent / early adulthood time frame. If it is bipolar, it isn't as > bad as most I've had occasional contact with. Either way, I don't > condemn people who were dealt a bad hand in terms of their health, but > nobody needs to be such a jerk. The oddest thing was his use of "drama > queen" - I have only heard the term used by shrewish women, flamboyant > gay men ( the "Bitch!" crowd) and coke addicts. Men who can face the > world just never think such a thing... it's too weird. If he is one of > the first two groups (we don't know the true sex or sexual orientation > of anybody online) it explains but does not forgive the insult, but in > light of his inability to understand simple definitions or simple > technical writing I suspect something is taking over his life. So, in a nutshell, you're saying that "jim" is a gay cokehead, probably bipolar, possibly retarded, and stupid? I'd have to agree. -- "Ubuntu" -- an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me". The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org Ahhhhhhh!: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/relieve.jpg |
Re: Gas smell after very short run?
Thus spake brownt@flash.net :
>On Feb 25, 10:41 am, Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpy...@austin.rr.com> >wrote: >> 08 Fit. We left it sitting in the dirveway for a while, and I pulled >> it in in the evening. The engine probably ran for 45 seconds, max. >> When I got out, there was the strongsmellof unburned gasoline. Was >> this just a startup artifact, or maybe a coldrun(the funky little >> blue thermometer was still on)? >> -- >> >> - dillon I am not invalid >> >> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only >> Gold I'm thinking of. >> >> Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. > >There is a difference between the smell of RAW gasoline and partly >burned exhaust fumes that go through a cold converter that doesn't >clean them up. I think the OP was smelling the latter. > >I think some of you have been on a wild goose chase for quite awhile. To settle this, yeah, it's just a matter of it running too fat for just a moment. My guy at Howdy said that it usually happens when the temperatures drop rapidly, like it did that day. From the upper 70s at 2 pm to the mid 40s by 8pm. "Strong smell" was too much of an overstatement. Oh yeah, I have not seen any liquid on the driveway or in the garage that could be attributable to anything except A/C discharge. So, I guess my garage might flood, but it won't burn down. -- - dillon I am not invalid Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and Olympic Gold isn't the only Gold I'm thinking of. Hi, I'm Michael Phelps and when I'm on Maui, Wowwie. |
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