Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

I have never really thought of the differences
between sprung and unsprung weight. What is the
effect (other than when I take fast corners and
it moves to the other side of the trunk) of
carrying a 50-70lb tool box in the trunk?

t

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

I have never really thought of the differences
between sprung and unsprung weight. What is the
effect (other than when I take fast corners and
it moves to the other side of the trunk) of
carrying a 50-70lb tool box in the trunk?

t

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com ...
> Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
> goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up weight by
> mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig rims on my Civic that
> have the weight molded on the outer part of the rim. It's 635kg. which is
> about 13lbs. pretty light. I recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well
> balanced and precision made.

635 kg = 77 lb

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com ...
> Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
> goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up weight by
> mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig rims on my Civic that
> have the weight molded on the outer part of the rim. It's 635kg. which is
> about 13lbs. pretty light. I recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well
> balanced and precision made.

635 kg = 77 lb

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
>>goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up weight by
>>mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig rims on my Civic that
>>have the weight molded on the outer part of the rim. It's 635kg. which is
>>about 13lbs. pretty light. I recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well
>>balanced and precision made.
>
>
> 635 kg = 77 lb
>
>
you two crack me up. tell me again, /how/ many pounds to the kilogram?
this is an all-metric honda n.g. & we need a laugh.

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

Brian Smith wrote:
> "hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com ...
>
>>Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
>>goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up weight by
>>mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig rims on my Civic that
>>have the weight molded on the outer part of the rim. It's 635kg. which is
>>about 13lbs. pretty light. I recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well
>>balanced and precision made.
>
>
> 635 kg = 77 lb
>
>
you two crack me up. tell me again, /how/ many pounds to the kilogram?
this is an all-metric honda n.g. & we need a laugh.

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:1113484531.d5baf3a4b5d75424a97426a74cdf34bd@t eranews...
>>
>> 635 kg = 77 lb
> you two crack me up. tell me again, /how/ many pounds to the kilogram?
> this is an all-metric honda n.g. & we need a laugh.

How is it an 'all metric honda ng'? I use Imperial measurements for my daily
usage, always have and always will. I was just pointing out his lack of a
decimal point.

Brian

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:1113484531.d5baf3a4b5d75424a97426a74cdf34bd@t eranews...
>>
>> 635 kg = 77 lb
> you two crack me up. tell me again, /how/ many pounds to the kilogram?
> this is an all-metric honda n.g. & we need a laugh.

How is it an 'all metric honda ng'? I use Imperial measurements for my daily
usage, always have and always will. I was just pointing out his lack of a
decimal point.

Brian

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

On 2005-04-14 Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada said:
>Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
>"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.co m...
>> Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
>> goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up
>>weight by mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig
>>rims on my Civic that have the weight molded on the outer part of
>>the rim. It's 635kg. which is about 13lbs. pretty light. I
>>recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well balanced and
>precision made.
>635 kg = 77 lb
635 kg * 2.2 lbs/kg = 1397 lbs. (TI-55 calculator converts it to 1399.9)
Truly light-weight, hi-performance wheels!
"Alf, would you bring the crane and help me get this wheel off?"


Tom Willmon
near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

Ya sai it won't fit? Blimey, Alf, get a bigger 'ammer!

Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

On 2005-04-14 Halifax@NovaScotia.Canada said:
>Newsgroups: alt.autos.honda
>"hondaman" <jeffscomp@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:I2l7e.3268$716.233@newssvr19.news.prodigy.co m...
>> Definetly get some lightweight wheels and as far as tires get the
>> goodyears if they will last a long time. You'll be giving up
>>weight by mounting them on lightweight rims. I have some Konig
>>rims on my Civic that have the weight molded on the outer part of
>>the rim. It's 635kg. which is about 13lbs. pretty light. I
>>recommend Konig for your wheels theyre well balanced and
>precision made.
>635 kg = 77 lb
635 kg * 2.2 lbs/kg = 1397 lbs. (TI-55 calculator converts it to 1399.9)
Truly light-weight, hi-performance wheels!
"Alf, would you bring the crane and help me get this wheel off?"


Tom Willmon
near Mountainair, (mid) New Mexico, USA

Ya sai it won't fit? Blimey, Alf, get a bigger 'ammer!

Net-Tamer V 1.12.0 - Registered

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

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> its performance, not it's performance. It's = it is

You caught me!

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Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"Howard Lester" <heylester@dakotacom.net> wrote in
news:115rdvmd281rhff@corp.supernews.com:

> its performance, not it's performance. It's = it is

You caught me!

-- CL.

+-----------------------------------------+
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| 401/728-1987 | 14 Cooke St |
| cl+at+ncdm+dot+com | Pawtucket RI 02860 |
+-----------------------------------------+

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @> wrote in message
news:ce6f1660052a391f59ac44bd3987797b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I have never really thought of the differences
> between sprung and unsprung weight. What is the
> effect (other than when I take fast corners and
> it moves to the other side of the trunk) of
> carrying a 50-70lb tool box in the trunk?
>
> t
>
Boy, this takes me back to the 60s....

Ride and suspension conformance to the road surface both improve as the
ratio of sprung to unsprung weight increases. Within the load limits of the
suspension, more weight in the trunk smooths the ride and helps hold the
tires on the pavement over bumps. Think of it as: the road makes your wheels
bounce and your wheels make your car bounce. The lighter the wheels the
poorer the energy transfer from the road interface to the car.

The emphasis on the unsprung weight is that it is easier to make a
difference, at least starting with stock. Aggressive selection of wheels and
tires can reduce unsprung weight by 50%. Increasing the sprung weight 100%
(same doubling of the ratio) is not likely to improve your handling and
ride! 60 lbs in a 3000 lb car is 2% difference, so the tool box won't make
the Honda ride like a Cadillac.

Bicycling enthusiasts are even more rabid, since spinning the wheel mass up
takes some leg power. The mantra is "an ounce on the wheel is worth a pound
on the frame." I don't know just how true that is, but you get the idea.

Mike

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"disallow" <loewen_t at yahoo.ca @> wrote in message
news:ce6f1660052a391f59ac44bd3987797b@localhost.ta lkaboutautos.com...
>I have never really thought of the differences
> between sprung and unsprung weight. What is the
> effect (other than when I take fast corners and
> it moves to the other side of the trunk) of
> carrying a 50-70lb tool box in the trunk?
>
> t
>
Boy, this takes me back to the 60s....

Ride and suspension conformance to the road surface both improve as the
ratio of sprung to unsprung weight increases. Within the load limits of the
suspension, more weight in the trunk smooths the ride and helps hold the
tires on the pavement over bumps. Think of it as: the road makes your wheels
bounce and your wheels make your car bounce. The lighter the wheels the
poorer the energy transfer from the road interface to the car.

The emphasis on the unsprung weight is that it is easier to make a
difference, at least starting with stock. Aggressive selection of wheels and
tires can reduce unsprung weight by 50%. Increasing the sprung weight 100%
(same doubling of the ratio) is not likely to improve your handling and
ride! 60 lbs in a 3000 lb car is 2% difference, so the tool box won't make
the Honda ride like a Cadillac.

Bicycling enthusiasts are even more rabid, since spinning the wheel mass up
takes some leg power. The mantra is "an ounce on the wheel is worth a pound
on the frame." I don't know just how true that is, but you get the idea.

Mike

Re: Handling/Ride: +Rubber/-Unsprung weight?
 

"Charles Lasitter" wrote

>
> > its performance, not it's performance. It's = it is
>
> You caught me!

Ah - I was worried about you -- you DO have a sense of humor! ;)