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steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-10-2007 08:56 AM

Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
Hey all,

I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
(since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
ideas?

Thanks
Steve


jim beam 05-10-2007 09:17 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
steven.sciriha@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>

adjust the clutch cable and get into the habit of flooring the clutch -
you're supposed to anyway.

jim beam 05-10-2007 09:17 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
steven.sciriha@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>

adjust the clutch cable and get into the habit of flooring the clutch -
you're supposed to anyway.

steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-10-2007 09:58 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 10, 3:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:

> adjust the clutch cable and get into the habit of flooring the clutch -
> you're supposed to anyway.


by flooring i meant leaving an indent on the carpet/floorboard! I do
generally floor the pedal just not to that extent....



steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-10-2007 09:58 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 10, 3:17 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:

> adjust the clutch cable and get into the habit of flooring the clutch -
> you're supposed to anyway.


by flooring i meant leaving an indent on the carpet/floorboard! I do
generally floor the pedal just not to that extent....



Dan Beaton 05-10-2007 10:13 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
(steven.sciriha@gmail.com) writes:
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>


Shift cable bushings are far more likely as the cause of the problem.
They can be lubricated, which will extend their life (if done properly)
or they can be replaced (good for another 16 years!).
Dan

(This account is not used for email.)

Dan Beaton 05-10-2007 10:13 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
(steven.sciriha@gmail.com) writes:
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>


Shift cable bushings are far more likely as the cause of the problem.
They can be lubricated, which will extend their life (if done properly)
or they can be replaced (good for another 16 years!).
Dan

(This account is not used for email.)

Michael Pardee 05-10-2007 02:52 PM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
<steven.sciriha@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
>


This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems the be
the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should make a big
improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others swear by Redline MTL.

Mike




Michael Pardee 05-10-2007 02:52 PM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
<steven.sciriha@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> Hey all,
>
> I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutch cable
> (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> ideas?
>
> Thanks
> Steve
>
>


This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems the be
the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should make a big
improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others swear by Redline MTL.

Mike




steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-11-2007 03:40 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Hey all,

>
> > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> > Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> > problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> > other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> > things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutchcable
> > (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> > ideas?

>
> > Thanks
> > Steve

>
> This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems the be
> the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should make a big
> improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others swear by Redline MTL.
>
> Mike


cheers mike! will do so....

Steve


steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-11-2007 03:40 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
wrote:
> <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
>
> > Hey all,

>
> > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on it.
> > Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to 2nd...The
> > problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of driving...All the
> > other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its one of two
> > things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the clutchcable
> > (since the change seems easier when the clutch is floored)...any
> > ideas?

>
> > Thanks
> > Steve

>
> This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems the be
> the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should make a big
> improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others swear by Redline MTL.
>
> Mike


cheers mike! will do so....

Steve


~misfit~ 05-11-2007 07:37 PM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
steven.sciriha@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
> > <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > > Hey all,

> >
> > > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on
> > > it. Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to
> > > 2nd...The problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of
> > > driving...All the other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its
> > > one of two things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the
> > > clutchcable (since the change seems easier when the clutch is
> > > floored)...any ideas?

> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Steve

> >
> > This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems
> > the be the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should
> > make a big improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others
> > swear by Redline MTL.
> >
> > Mike

>
> cheers mike! will do so....
>
> Steve


I use Castrol VMX in my '85 City's gearbox. According to a couple mechanics
I've spoken with it's /the/ oil to use in transverse-mounted engine
gearboxes.
--
Shaun.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0



~misfit~ 05-11-2007 07:37 PM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
steven.sciriha@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> wrote:
> > <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > > Hey all,

> >
> > > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on
> > > it. Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to
> > > 2nd...The problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of
> > > driving...All the other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its
> > > one of two things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the
> > > clutchcable (since the change seems easier when the clutch is
> > > floored)...any ideas?

> >
> > > Thanks
> > > Steve

> >
> > This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems
> > the be the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should
> > make a big improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others
> > swear by Redline MTL.
> >
> > Mike

>
> cheers mike! will do so....
>
> Steve


I use Castrol VMX in my '85 City's gearbox. According to a couple mechanics
I've spoken with it's /the/ oil to use in transverse-mounted engine
gearboxes.
--
Shaun.

09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0



steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-14-2007 02:51 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 12, 1:37 am, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
> steven.scir...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> > wrote:
> > > <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...

>
> > > > Hey all,

>
> > > > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on
> > > > it. Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to
> > > > 2nd...The problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of
> > > > driving...All the other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its
> > > > one of two things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the
> > > > clutchcable (since the change seems easier when the clutch is
> > > > floored)...any ideas?

>
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Steve

>
> > > This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems
> > > the be the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should
> > > make a big improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others
> > > swear by Redline MTL.

>
> > > Mike

>
> > cheers mike! will do so....

>
> > Steve

>
> I use Castrol VMX in my '85 City's gearbox. According to a couple mechanics
> I've spoken with it's /the/ oil to use in transverse-mounted engine
> gearboxes.
> --
> Shaun.
>
> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I've also noticed that if I change gear (1st -> 2nd) at slower speeds
< 10 km/h it changes ok....only when at speeds approaching 20 km/h
does it get hard....

Steve


steven.sciriha@gmail.com 05-14-2007 02:51 AM

Re: Hard gear change 1st to 2nd
 
On May 12, 1:37 am, "~misfit~" <misfit6...@hooya.com.au> wrote:
> steven.scir...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On May 10, 8:52 pm, "Michael Pardee" <michaeltn...@cybertrails.com>
> > wrote:
> > > <steven.scir...@gmail.com> wrote in message

>
> > >news:1178801798.437665.273910@e51g2000hsg.googleg roups.com...

>
> > > > Hey all,

>
> > > > I have a 91 civic 3-door with 140k km (european) on
> > > > it. Im finding it increasingly hard to shift gear from 1st to
> > > > 2nd...The problem seems to go away after the 20-30 mins of
> > > > driving...All the other gear changes seem fine....Im thinking its
> > > > one of two things...time for a tranny oil change or adjusting the
> > > > clutchcable (since the change seems easier when the clutch is
> > > > floored)...any ideas?

>
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Steve

>
> > > This is a good time for a tranny oil change. First to second seems
> > > the be the first shift affected by low lube, and new oil should
> > > make a big improvement. Honda MTL is preferred, although others
> > > swear by Redline MTL.

>
> > > Mike

>
> > cheers mike! will do so....

>
> > Steve

>
> I use Castrol VMX in my '85 City's gearbox. According to a couple mechanics
> I've spoken with it's /the/ oil to use in transverse-mounted engine
> gearboxes.
> --
> Shaun.
>
> 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


I've also noticed that if I change gear (1st -> 2nd) at slower speeds
< 10 km/h it changes ok....only when at speeds approaching 20 km/h
does it get hard....

Steve



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