Help Please - Honda Civic 1.7 CTDi Engine Fault - limited revs
 

Hi,

Just when I'm skint my super reliable 2002 Honda CTDi has developed a fault.
Five minutes after starting from cold when accelerating around a wide bend
in 3rd gear the engine warning lamp came on. The accelerator will not lift
the revs above about 2200 rpm. This condition is now constant and is true
when in gear or in neutral.

Are the limited revs likely to be a symptom of some fault or is the control
unit limiting the revs because it knows something is wrong somewhere ? I'm
assuming the turbo has failed.

Are there any simple tests I can do to try and diagnose what the problem is
and how to fix it ?

Thanks In Advance,

Bob

Re: Help Please - Honda Civic 1.7 CTDi Engine Fault - limited revs
 

"12" <1@2.com> wrote in news:RZednZrOOqje6YbVnZ2dnUVZ8qydnZ2d@bt.com:

> Hi,
>
> Just when I'm skint my super reliable 2002 Honda CTDi has developed a
> fault. Five minutes after starting from cold when accelerating around
> a wide bend in 3rd gear the engine warning lamp came on. The
> accelerator will not lift the revs above about 2200 rpm. This
> condition is now constant and is true when in gear or in neutral.
>
> Are the limited revs likely to be a symptom of some fault or is the
> control unit limiting the revs because it knows something is wrong
> somewhere ? I'm assuming the turbo has failed.
>
> Are there any simple tests I can do to try and diagnose what the
> problem is and how to fix it ?
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> Bob
>
>
>

it sounds like the engine is in "limp home" mode,and there's something very
wrong. You can get the OBD-2 codes read for free at many auto parts stores.
That is where you must begin.
Telling us the mileage,auto or manual tranny,and any recent repairs or
service will be of help,too.Also WHERE you are,like what country.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Re: Help Please - Honda Civic 1.7 CTDi Engine Fault - limited revs
 

>
> it sounds like the engine is in "limp home" mode,and there's something
very
> wrong. You can get the OBD-2 codes read for free at many auto parts
stores.
> That is where you must begin.
> Telling us the mileage,auto or manual tranny,and any recent repairs or
> service will be of help,too.Also WHERE you are,like what country.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Hi again, I'm in the UK, the car was buillt at the Honda plant at Swindon.
It is a Honda Civic manual transmission ,diesel, 1.7 CTDi. (I'm struggling
to find a workshop manual for it on the internet or anywhere else) It was
registered on the road 2003 and has done just under 71000 miles. Three weeks
ago it fully passed it's MOT (roadworthy checks + emission checks). Fuel
filter was changed at the last but one service so one is due at the next.

Looks like it was in limp home mode. It's changed now though - after leaving
it overnight the engine warning lamp is still on when the car is running but
the car will now happily rev as normal. Presumably there is still something
wrong.

With little other info I'm assuming it's an exhaust detector fault of some
sort. Getting free fault codes read is a bit tricky over here - presumably
manufactureres have their own interface and comms codes or is there an
industry standard (eg connector pinouts and codes etc ?) Might it be
possible to get software and a laptop interface lead to connect to it ?

There is a section of the exhaust pipe that looks like it might be a CAT
converter (it's about 8 inches long with metal thin strips, cross platted
around the outside.) When tapped it has a slight rattling sound from
inside. (Hmmm $$$ £££ ?). Is there an emission detector after the CAT
(assuming it is one ???) I have had a good look underneath and can find
nothing so assuming there is some form of emission sensor it must be close
to the exhaust manifold (???)

My next step is to look for any detector and test it and try and get any
fault codes read (without spending a fortune on labour charges). I read
somewhere on the newsgroup about the car's computer forgetting any fault
code conditions after the car has been started three times - sound like a
myth or crap design ? I wondered, if it is true, if that is why the revs are
now ok.

Thanks for the advice/suggestions - any further to be offered would be most
gratefully received.

Regards,

Bob

Re: Help Please - Honda Civic 1.7 CTDi Engine Fault - limited revs
 

12 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just when I'm skint my super reliable 2002 Honda CTDi has developed a fault.
> Five minutes after starting from cold when accelerating around a wide bend
> in 3rd gear the engine warning lamp came on. The accelerator will not lift
> the revs above about 2200 rpm. This condition is now constant and is true
> when in gear or in neutral.
>
> Are the limited revs likely to be a symptom of some fault or is the control
> unit limiting the revs because it knows something is wrong somewhere ? I'm
> assuming the turbo has failed.
>
> Are there any simple tests I can do to try and diagnose what the problem is
> and how to fix it ?
>
> Thanks In Advance,
>
> Bob
>
>

filters matter. especially if you have cold weather.

what is the malfunction code from the computer?

Re: Help Please - Honda Civic 1.7 CTDi Engine Fault - limited revs
 

12 wrote:

>>it sounds like the engine is in "limp home" mode,and there's something
>
> very
>
>>wrong. You can get the OBD-2 codes read for free at many auto parts
>
> stores.
>
>>That is where you must begin.
>>Telling us the mileage,auto or manual tranny,and any recent repairs or
>>service will be of help,too.Also WHERE you are,like what country.
>>
>>--
>>Jim Yanik
>>jyanik
>>at
>>kua.net
>
>
> Hi again, I'm in the UK, the car was buillt at the Honda plant at Swindon.
> It is a Honda Civic manual transmission ,diesel, 1.7 CTDi. (I'm struggling
> to find a workshop manual for it on the internet or anywhere else) It was
> registered on the road 2003 and has done just under 71000 miles. Three weeks
> ago it fully passed it's MOT (roadworthy checks + emission checks). Fuel
> filter was changed at the last but one service so one is due at the next.
>
> Looks like it was in limp home mode. It's changed now though - after leaving
> it overnight the engine warning lamp is still on when the car is running but
> the car will now happily rev as normal. Presumably there is still something
> wrong.
>
> With little other info I'm assuming it's an exhaust detector fault of some
> sort. Getting free fault codes read is a bit tricky over here - presumably
> manufactureres have their own interface and comms codes or is there an
> industry standard (eg connector pinouts and codes etc ?) Might it be
> possible to get software and a laptop interface lead to connect to it ?
>
> There is a section of the exhaust pipe that looks like it might be a CAT
> converter (it's about 8 inches long with metal thin strips, cross platted
> around the outside.) When tapped it has a slight rattling sound from
> inside. (Hmmm $$$ ＃� ?). Is there an emission detector after the CAT
> (assuming it is one ???) I have had a good look underneath and can find
> nothing so assuming there is some form of emission sensor it must be close
> to the exhaust manifold (???)
>
> My next step is to look for any detector and test it and try and get any
> fault codes read (without spending a fortune on labour charges). I read
> somewhere on the newsgroup about the car's computer forgetting any fault
> code conditions after the car has been started three times - sound like a
> myth or crap design ? I wondered, if it is true, if that is why the revs are
> now ok.
>
> Thanks for the advice/suggestions - any further to be offered would be most
> gratefully received.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Hmmm,
Pull the error code first and start from there. Honda has ISO interface
connector.
I use my own OBD II code reader with my notebook computer USB port. Hand
held simple code reader is not that expensive.

uk civic 1.7ctdi turbo fault at 50-60,000 miles
 

hi there,i had the same problem last year intermittantly over the course of 8 months.
eventually after checking all connections around the engine bay for silly faults, i stuck it in to the dealer and they told me there and then that my turbo was gone!! at 50,000 miles, not inpressed.
they fitted a brand new turbo, and with labour charge, was £330.(£110 for the turbo assembly, and the rest on labour.) a lot of money, but half what i was expecting.
i ve been told by honda that the new turbo is a modified design and does not have the same fault.
the original turbos on some batches of civics use a crap design of brass or bronze bush instead of bearings. mine was totally gone and the spindle was very loose to the point that it jammed, although always looking after the turbo by letting it idle before and after use etc.
cheers.james.

may i also add that honda uk have then told me that they have an extended warranty out on this turbo fault up until the car reaches 7 years old, so i got my £330 back no hassle. v v v happy! i love the dealership, very helpful.so go get it done before it reaches 7.
any queries, contact honda uk as my dealer was not aware of the warranty at the time.
there is also an ext warranty out on the aircon condensor, ,all 2002, 2003 and some 2004 cars.until the car is 6 years old, again, the dealer was not aware, but i have it in writing from honda uk, so its going in next week, so we ll see.cheers, james