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Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
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Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
blythe b wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-) Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00. If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken! Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags. |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0-
24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh. For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an all-in price). Do you know what detonates the bombs? Sodium azide, the same stuff they use to light off high-explosives. Auto dealership technicians have fun detonating surplus airbags in the parking lot. Sometimes they try to see how high the bags will go when ignited, which can be up to forty feet. Fun, wow! -- Tegger |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Tegger wrote:
> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- > 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html > > > The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal > requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at > the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck > everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you > put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh. > > For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is > available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an > all-in price). > > Do you know what detonates the bombs? Sodium azide, the same stuff they use > to light off high-explosives. Auto dealership technicians have fun > detonating surplus airbags in the parking lot. Sometimes they try to see > how high the bags will go when ignited, which can be up to forty feet. Fun, > wow! > > And yet only Honda seems to have decided to make them *shrapnel* bombs... |
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Crunchy frog, anyone? Have to keep those Monty Python episodes away
from Honda designers. Dave |
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"sci.space" <harrisonspace@gmail.com> wrote in news:29708244-0d10-40f8-
90f5-ed25a708db42@11g2000yqp.googlegroups.com: > Crunchy frog, anyone? Have to keep those Monty Python episodes away > from Honda designers. > > Dave You could take the bones out... ;^) -- Tegger |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Thus spake RickMerrill <Rick0.merrill@gmail.lessspam.com> :
>blythe b wrote: >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html > > >Maybe you should Shut your eyes upon impact? ;-) > >Also, remember to put your hands at 9:00 and 3:00. >If you put your hands at the old 10-2 and the airbag >fires off it has happened that the driver's thumbs were broken! Urban myth. The energy isn't enough to do more than remove your hands from the wheel. > >Hands now go at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock if you drive with airbags. 9 and 3 because you have much greater control. And shuffle steer. Although I have always driven my race cars "hands on" because you can "lose" them. Now I drive my Fit that way at speeds greater than about 6 mph to keep the fingers on the paddles. -- - dillon I am not invalid Patrick Swayze, now there was talent |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote: >blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- >24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html > > >The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal >requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly at >the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck >everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make sure you >put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. Sheesh. what he said >For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is >available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb or an >all-in price). must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :) J. |
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JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in
news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbdbtpe19q3bp4e1pvtl@4ax.com: > On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> > wrote: > >>blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- >>24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: >> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html >> >> >>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal >>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly >>at the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck >>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make >>sure you put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. >>Sheesh. > > what he said > > >>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is >>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb >>or an all-in price). > > must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :) > I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor) injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance companies. Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for disabling them. -- Tegger |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in >news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbdbtpe19q3bp4e1pvtl@4ax.com : > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> >> wrote: >> >>>blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- >>>24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html >>> >>> >>>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal >>>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly >>>at the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck >>>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make >>>sure you put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. >>>Sheesh. >> >> what he said >> >> >>>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is >>>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb >>>or an all-in price). >> >> must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :) >> > > >I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about >airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's >often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage >interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor) >injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance >companies. My wife's low speed accident resulted in some surprising structural damage, but a goodly chunk went to replacing the bags, seatbelts, pretnesioners and front windshield, which was totalled on the pax side but not the driver's side, which the body shop said is quite typical of airbag deployment. Technically, you're supposed to replace the bags every ten years. Yeah, sure. If you've done so, please leave a twenty under your front door mat. I'll be by tomorrow to replace it with two tens. > >Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for >disabling them. -- - dillon I am not invalid Patrick Swayze, now there was talent |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 20:39:58 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv>
wrote: > > >I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about >airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's >often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage >interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor) >injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance >companies. > >Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for >disabling them. One of my son's friends ran into a parked car...not much body damage, but the bags on both sides deployed. The insurance co. totalled the car based on the cost of replacing the airbags, the windshield, as well as the body damage. I saw the car...would have been an easy fix as far as the actual crash damage...oh, well... |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:c8ikd5lisp4bs8ql4oucru67v51a54pd8j@4ax.com: > > My wife's low speed accident resulted in some surprising structural > damage, but a goodly chunk went to replacing the bags, seatbelts, > pretnesioners and front windshield, which was totalled on the pax side > but not the driver's side, which the body shop said is quite typical > of airbag deployment. (this is also a reply to J.L.Hemmer's post) There are a couple of wrecking yards not far from my house. I regularly see trailers loaded with late-model wrecked cars going there. What I've noticed the last ten years or so is that most of those late-model cars being taken to the wreckers appear to have very little body damage, at least much less body damage than what I used to see in years past. I wonder if the cost of fixing SRS systems is resulting in far more vehicles being "totalled" with damage that would have been considered relatively cheap to repair before airbags came along? -- Tegger |
Re: Honda airbags that impale you with shards of metal
Can I buy a new Honda in Canada,
have the bombs removed, even get a few bucks for them, and drive the car legally for registration in California? Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason, or other complication? J. "Tegger" <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in message news:Xns9CA7A970FA9F0tegger@208.90.168.18... > JRStern <JRStern@foobar.invalid> wrote in > news:lemjd5d2fcg1o3gbdbtpe19q3bp4e1pvtl@4ax.com: > >> On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:44 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> >> wrote: >> >>>blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- >>>24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: >>> >>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html >>> >>> >>>The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky legal >>>requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, aimed directly >>>at the occupants. Then they require that big yellow labels be stuck >>>everywhere, warning you that the bombs will kill your kids so make >>>sure you put the little dears where the bombs can't reach them. >>>Sheesh. >> >> what he said >> >> >>>For those of you in Canada, bomb disablement is quite legal, and is >>>available at any garage for about $40 (don't know if that's per bomb >>>or an all-in price). >> >> must be all those conscientious objectors we sent them! :) >> > > > I was told that insurance companies up here have mixed feelings about > airbags. Bags are very expensive to replace after a collision, and there's > often collateral damage when the bags break windshields and damage > interiors, plus they cause a lot of minor (and sometimes not so minor) > injuries when they deploy. All that's very expensive for the insurance > companies. > > Up here there are neither rewards for having airbags nor penalties for > disabling them. > > > -- > Tegger > |
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"zzznot" <zzznot@invalid.net> wrote in message news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org... > Can I buy a new Honda in Canada, > have the bombs removed, even get a few > bucks for them, and drive the car legally > for registration in California? > > Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason, > or other complication? > > J. ///snipped/// In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such. DaveD |
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"Dave D" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in
news:4add6239@news.acsalaska.net: > > "zzznot" <zzznot@invalid.net> wrote in message > news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org... >> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada, >> have the bombs removed, even get a few >> bucks for them, and drive the car legally >> for registration in California? >> >> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason, >> or other complication? >> >> J. > ///snipped/// > > In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, > it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on > that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I > would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such. > A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and functioning SRS system. California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are satisfied. <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/> -- Tegger |
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Tegger wrote:
> "Dave D" <dtdodson@acsalaska.net> wrote in > news:4add6239@news.acsalaska.net: > >> >> "zzznot" <zzznot@invalid.net> wrote in message >> news:hbi6af$pcr$1@news.eternal-september.org... >>> Can I buy a new Honda in Canada, >>> have the bombs removed, even get a few >>> bucks for them, and drive the car legally >>> for registration in California? >>> >>> Or are prices higher in Canada for whatever reason, >>> or other complication? >>> >>> J. >> ///snipped/// >> >> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, >> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on >> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I >> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such. > A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and > functioning SRS system. It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada. > California's rules don't come into play until Federal NHTSA regs are satisfied. > <http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/> |
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net: > Tegger wrote: > >> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and >> functioning SRS system. > > It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada. OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988 (not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and functioning SRS system. -- Tegger |
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John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in
news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net: > Dave D wrote: >> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, >> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on >> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I >> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such. > > In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not > sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been > formalized. This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained in writing from the NHTSA. Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced osteoporosis. I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be vanishingly tiny. -- Tegger |
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Dave D wrote:
> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, it is > in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on that state's > past record, will not register such a modified car....I would check the laws > in Ca and the Feds before doing such. In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been formalized. A car that came equipped with airbags cannot legally be driven in the US if they've been removed. However, disabling them (or getting an 'off' switch wired in) does not make the car illegal to drive. Go ahead and drive to Canada to have the operation performed; California doesn't even have to know you did it. |
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Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in >news:7k6fl9F3910cjU1@mid.individual.net: > >> Tegger wrote: > >> >>> A new vehicle cannot be imported into the US without a present and >>> functioning SRS system. >> >> It isnt technically a new vehicle if it was bought in Canada. > > >OK, then let me be more precise: A vehicle manufactured after about 1988 >(not certain of exact year) for the non-US market may not be imported into >the US for the purpose of US registration without a complete and >functioning SRS system. Correct. More specificaly, it must meet all safety and emmissions requirements present at the time of its manufactor. If a car is being brought into the US "for off-road use only", a bond has to be posted. Mssrs Gates, Leno and Ellison have multiple cars that fall under this law, as do/did every Formula One team. -- - dillon I am not invalid Patrick Swayze, now there was talent |
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Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> :
>John David Galt <jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote in >news:hbl9t3$ic7$1@blue.rahul.net: > >> Dave D wrote: >>> In a word. NO! While it is not illegal to remove the bombs in Canada, >>> it is in the US, I believe, and I am sure that California, based on >>> that state's past record, will not register such a modified car....I >>> would check the laws in Ca and the Feds before doing such. >> >> In the US you can get federal permission to disable airbags; I'm not >> sure what the requirements are or whether they've even been >> formalized. > > > >This is technically correct. The last I read, permission must be obtained >in writing from the NHTSA. > >Permission is predicated upon the presence of some definite and specific >factor that would, in the opinion of the NHTSA's bureacrats, place the >applicant in some special danger from airbags that ordinary people would >not face. These factors would include advanced age, unusually small adult >body size, or some sort of physical infirmity, such as advanced >osteoporosis. > >I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be >vanishingly tiny. I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95 Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT. He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in. And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition. I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior to the weight disabler. -- - dillon I am not invalid Patrick Swayze, now there was talent |
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Dillon Pyron <invaliddmpyron@austin.rr.com> wrote in
news:013ud5pqi67p0kp1k5momd3p911kglem6d@4ax.com: > Thus spake Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> : > >> >>I imagine the number of officially-permitted SRS disablements must be >>vanishingly tiny. > > I have a friend who was driving his 6 year old daughter in his 95 > Miata. Miata provided a "disable" switch, which was approved by DOT. > He had to start the car, press the button and then she could get in. > And the disable was switched off whenever he turned off the ignition. > > I think many cars with only a front row were equipped with this prior > to the weight disabler. Regular-cab pickups had the same thing. Here's the text of an article by Car and Driver's Patrick Bedard on that subject: <http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26327> The actual article was up on C and D's site until very recently, but it seems to be gone now. This is all I can find. -- Tegger |
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Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in
news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18: > blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in > news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- > 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: > >> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html > > > The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky > legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, > aimed directly at the occupants. A bit dramatic, don't you think? They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity! |
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Thus spake Larrybud <larrybud2002@yahoo.com> :
>Tegger <invalid@invalid.inv> wrote in >news:Xns9CA5E7F826F79tegger@208.90.168.18: > >> blythe b <mbowman155@gmail.com> wrote in >> news:8e13a836-cfb6-4fb4-a6c0- >> 24e9291e3b81@l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com: >> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/31/hon...all/index.html >> >> >> The USA remains the only country in the world that has a wacky >> legal requirement that bombs be installed in car's interior, >> aimed directly at the occupants. > >A bit dramatic, don't you think? > >They also require a highly flammable liquid to be put in a tank in >the back... gallons of it!! Oh the humanity! The gasoline requies a source of ignition. The air bag HAS the source of ignition. And, contrary to the movies, gasoline is actually a little hard to set off. Yes, match. No, cigarette. No, bullet. Air bags have been confirmed to have killed stupid mechanics, car theives and junk yard scroungers. Note the word "stupid". -- - dillon I am not invalid "Always shoot first. At the very least you'll distract the guy enough to make the second one count" -- Lazurus Long |
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