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WeeBit 07-08-2005 10:31 AM

Honda Civic
 
A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or 1999 I
can't remember which it is. The car has a manual transmission in it. I am
disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive one
because years ago I had a car with one.

My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to pull the
manual transmission out of it and put a automatic transmission in. How
complicated is this? Is it more work and money to switch this? Is it even
worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims its a
piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to know if someone
is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00 and could
care less about the buyer?



mopa 07-08-2005 11:13 AM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Damn, a 1999 or 2000 for $1,300 is a complete steal, what is wrong with
the car in the first place? I paid $2000 and I have a 1993 Civic.

Anyways, your question is if he should remove the stick, and change it
to an automatic. Well, if your son really wants the civic, he is much
better off keeping it a manual. Trust me, i always drove automatic, and
then bought a stick for the first time, and knew nothing about it, and
now I am in love. I will never buy another automatic as long as I
live... at least I hope...

If he changes out the transmission, it will cost around $3,000 or so
and I honestly think it would be a huge mistake. If you can get the car
for $1,300 you got the best deal in the world, and why take the chance
of ruining it?

How old is your son anyways? (I am 24), and if he is a teenager, he
will enjoy the manual so much more, and in the long run manuals suck
less gas, and cost less to fix.


mopa 07-08-2005 11:13 AM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Damn, a 1999 or 2000 for $1,300 is a complete steal, what is wrong with
the car in the first place? I paid $2000 and I have a 1993 Civic.

Anyways, your question is if he should remove the stick, and change it
to an automatic. Well, if your son really wants the civic, he is much
better off keeping it a manual. Trust me, i always drove automatic, and
then bought a stick for the first time, and knew nothing about it, and
now I am in love. I will never buy another automatic as long as I
live... at least I hope...

If he changes out the transmission, it will cost around $3,000 or so
and I honestly think it would be a huge mistake. If you can get the car
for $1,300 you got the best deal in the world, and why take the chance
of ruining it?

How old is your son anyways? (I am 24), and if he is a teenager, he
will enjoy the manual so much more, and in the long run manuals suck
less gas, and cost less to fix.


WeeBit 07-08-2005 11:27 AM

Re: Honda Civic
 
mopa wrote:
: Damn, a 1999 or 2000 for $1,300 is a complete steal, what is wrong
: with the car in the first place? I paid $2000 and I have a 1993 Civic.
:
: Anyways, your question is if he should remove the stick, and change it
: to an automatic. Well, if your son really wants the civic, he is much
: better off keeping it a manual. Trust me, i always drove automatic,
: and then bought a stick for the first time, and knew nothing about
: it, and now I am in love. I will never buy another automatic as long
: as I live... at least I hope...
:
: If he changes out the transmission, it will cost around $3,000 or so
: and I honestly think it would be a huge mistake. If you can get the
: car for $1,300 you got the best deal in the world, and why take the
: chance of ruining it?
:
: How old is your son anyways? (I am 24), and if he is a teenager, he
: will enjoy the manual so much more, and in the long run manuals suck
: less gas, and cost less to fix.

He is the same age as you. It will cost 100.00 for the person putting it
in and what ever the cost of the transmission. he is doing this for me not
himself. I am disabled. Some days I am driving one handed so as you can
see, it has to be automatic. I don't know if anything is wrong with this
car. He is the one buying it. I will give him a call later and get the
specs on it. It is sitting in someones yard with a for sale sign on it.



WeeBit 07-08-2005 11:27 AM

Re: Honda Civic
 
mopa wrote:
: Damn, a 1999 or 2000 for $1,300 is a complete steal, what is wrong
: with the car in the first place? I paid $2000 and I have a 1993 Civic.
:
: Anyways, your question is if he should remove the stick, and change it
: to an automatic. Well, if your son really wants the civic, he is much
: better off keeping it a manual. Trust me, i always drove automatic,
: and then bought a stick for the first time, and knew nothing about
: it, and now I am in love. I will never buy another automatic as long
: as I live... at least I hope...
:
: If he changes out the transmission, it will cost around $3,000 or so
: and I honestly think it would be a huge mistake. If you can get the
: car for $1,300 you got the best deal in the world, and why take the
: chance of ruining it?
:
: How old is your son anyways? (I am 24), and if he is a teenager, he
: will enjoy the manual so much more, and in the long run manuals suck
: less gas, and cost less to fix.

He is the same age as you. It will cost 100.00 for the person putting it
in and what ever the cost of the transmission. he is doing this for me not
himself. I am disabled. Some days I am driving one handed so as you can
see, it has to be automatic. I don't know if anything is wrong with this
car. He is the one buying it. I will give him a call later and get the
specs on it. It is sitting in someones yard with a for sale sign on it.



JeB 07-08-2005 12:49 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:31:10 -0400, "WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com>
wrote:

>A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or 1999 I
>can't remember which it is. The car has a manual transmission in it. I am
>disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive one
>because years ago I had a car with one.
>
>My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to pull the
>manual transmission out of it and put a automatic transmission in. How
>complicated is this? Is it more work and money to switch this? Is it even
>worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims its a
>piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to know if someone
>is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00 and could
>care less about the buyer?
>


a '99-'00 Civic will sell for MUCH more than that unless it's only
being sold as a parts car for some reason.

I'd imagine switching from manual to automatic will cost more than
it's worth.


JeB 07-08-2005 12:49 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005 10:31:10 -0400, "WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com>
wrote:

>A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or 1999 I
>can't remember which it is. The car has a manual transmission in it. I am
>disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive one
>because years ago I had a car with one.
>
>My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to pull the
>manual transmission out of it and put a automatic transmission in. How
>complicated is this? Is it more work and money to switch this? Is it even
>worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims its a
>piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to know if someone
>is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00 and could
>care less about the buyer?
>


a '99-'00 Civic will sell for MUCH more than that unless it's only
being sold as a parts car for some reason.

I'd imagine switching from manual to automatic will cost more than
it's worth.


Michael Pardee 07-08-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
"WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com> wrote in message
news:d15ff$42ce8e2c$d8601b4a$17300@ALLTEL.NET...
>A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or 1999 I
> can't remember which it is. The car has a manual transmission in it. I
> am
> disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive one
> because years ago I had a car with one.
>
> My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to pull the
> manual transmission out of it and put a automatic transmission in. How
> complicated is this? Is it more work and money to switch this? Is it
> even
> worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims its a
> piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to know if
> someone
> is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00 and
> could
> care less about the buyer?
>
>

It is a *very big* deal to change from a manual to an automatic - don't even
think about it. I'm not sure, but I believe the wiring harness and the ECU
are different between the two. Besides the transmission, it requires a
controller computer. The radiator has to be changed because the existing one
does not have a heat exchanger for the auto transmission fluid - you get the
idea. Once the manual transmission comes out, the odds of it ever getting
back on the road again are small.

If the car really is a great deal at $1300 (why is it so low, anyway?) it
would make far more sense to buy then resell it and use any profit toward a
car that already has an automatic transmission. Personally, I wouldn't touch
it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.

Mike



Michael Pardee 07-08-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
"WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com> wrote in message
news:d15ff$42ce8e2c$d8601b4a$17300@ALLTEL.NET...
>A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or 1999 I
> can't remember which it is. The car has a manual transmission in it. I
> am
> disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive one
> because years ago I had a car with one.
>
> My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to pull the
> manual transmission out of it and put a automatic transmission in. How
> complicated is this? Is it more work and money to switch this? Is it
> even
> worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims its a
> piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to know if
> someone
> is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00 and
> could
> care less about the buyer?
>
>

It is a *very big* deal to change from a manual to an automatic - don't even
think about it. I'm not sure, but I believe the wiring harness and the ECU
are different between the two. Besides the transmission, it requires a
controller computer. The radiator has to be changed because the existing one
does not have a heat exchanger for the auto transmission fluid - you get the
idea. Once the manual transmission comes out, the odds of it ever getting
back on the road again are small.

If the car really is a great deal at $1300 (why is it so low, anyway?) it
would make far more sense to buy then resell it and use any profit toward a
car that already has an automatic transmission. Personally, I wouldn't touch
it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.

Mike



WeeBit 07-08-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Michael Pardee wrote:
: "WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com> wrote in message
: news:d15ff$42ce8e2c$d8601b4a$17300@ALLTEL.NET...
:: A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or
:: 1999 I can't remember which it is. The car has a manual
:: transmission in it. I am
:: disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive
:: one because years ago I had a car with one.
::
:: My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to
:: pull the manual transmission out of it and put a automatic
:: transmission in. How complicated is this? Is it more work and
:: money to switch this? Is it even
:: worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims
:: its a piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to
:: know if someone
:: is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00
:: and could
:: care less about the buyer?
::
::
: It is a *very big* deal to change from a manual to an automatic -
: don't even think about it. I'm not sure, but I believe the wiring
: harness and the ECU are different between the two. Besides the
: transmission, it requires a controller computer. The radiator has to
: be changed because the existing one does not have a heat exchanger
: for the auto transmission fluid - you get the idea. Once the manual
: transmission comes out, the odds of it ever getting back on the road
: again are small.
:
: If the car really is a great deal at $1300 (why is it so low,
: anyway?) it would make far more sense to buy then resell it and use
: any profit toward a car that already has an automatic transmission.
: Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Something's not
: right.
:
: Mike

This is what I thought Mike. Thank you. ...and thanks goes out to everyone
else too.



WeeBit 07-08-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Michael Pardee wrote:
: "WeeBit" <notMYemail@home.com> wrote in message
: news:d15ff$42ce8e2c$d8601b4a$17300@ALLTEL.NET...
:: A friend of my son has a Honda Civic for sale. 2000 Honda Civic or
:: 1999 I can't remember which it is. The car has a manual
:: transmission in it. I am
:: disabled I cannot drive a manual transmission. I know how to drive
:: one because years ago I had a car with one.
::
:: My question is The car was offered for $1,300.00 My son wants to
:: pull the manual transmission out of it and put a automatic
:: transmission in. How complicated is this? Is it more work and
:: money to switch this? Is it even
:: worth the trouble? I asked my son the same questions. He claims
:: its a piece of cake. I know he is not car savvy. I just need to
:: know if someone
:: is telling him right. Or if someone is just out to make $1,300.00
:: and could
:: care less about the buyer?
::
::
: It is a *very big* deal to change from a manual to an automatic -
: don't even think about it. I'm not sure, but I believe the wiring
: harness and the ECU are different between the two. Besides the
: transmission, it requires a controller computer. The radiator has to
: be changed because the existing one does not have a heat exchanger
: for the auto transmission fluid - you get the idea. Once the manual
: transmission comes out, the odds of it ever getting back on the road
: again are small.
:
: If the car really is a great deal at $1300 (why is it so low,
: anyway?) it would make far more sense to buy then resell it and use
: any profit toward a car that already has an automatic transmission.
: Personally, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. Something's not
: right.
:
: Mike

This is what I thought Mike. Thank you. ...and thanks goes out to everyone
else too.



jim beam 07-08-2005 08:26 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Michael Pardee wrote:
<snip>
>Personally, I wouldn't touch
> it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.


maybe, but for only $1300, there's plenty of room to fix an awful lot of
"not right". but i agree with your general position - it's /way/ too
much of a deal to convert. just buy a car that's already got the auto.


jim beam 07-08-2005 08:26 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
Michael Pardee wrote:
<snip>
>Personally, I wouldn't touch
> it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.


maybe, but for only $1300, there's plenty of room to fix an awful lot of
"not right". but i agree with your general position - it's /way/ too
much of a deal to convert. just buy a car that's already got the auto.


Michael Pardee 07-08-2005 10:03 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:08WdnYpOcbVPhFLfRVn-sg@speakeasy.net...
> Michael Pardee wrote:
> <snip>
> >Personally, I wouldn't touch
>> it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.

>
> maybe, but for only $1300, there's plenty of room to fix an awful lot of
> "not right". but i agree with your general position - it's /way/ too much
> of a deal to convert. just buy a car that's already got the auto.
>

It could be a decent project car. I'd expect to replace the engine at least
(my instincts are telling me the head is warped or crashed and I wouldn't be
surprised to find it had been run on tap water in the cooling system), but
buying a matching parts car that had been wrecked could make it worthwhile.

Of course, that's for gearheads like us. For somebody wanting to buy a car
to actually *drive* sometime soon, I doubt $1300 is the price we would
expect to pay.

Mike



Michael Pardee 07-08-2005 10:03 PM

Re: Honda Civic
 
"jim beam" <nospam@example.net> wrote in message
news:08WdnYpOcbVPhFLfRVn-sg@speakeasy.net...
> Michael Pardee wrote:
> <snip>
> >Personally, I wouldn't touch
>> it with a ten foot pole. Something's not right.

>
> maybe, but for only $1300, there's plenty of room to fix an awful lot of
> "not right". but i agree with your general position - it's /way/ too much
> of a deal to convert. just buy a car that's already got the auto.
>

It could be a decent project car. I'd expect to replace the engine at least
(my instincts are telling me the head is warped or crashed and I wouldn't be
surprised to find it had been run on tap water in the cooling system), but
buying a matching parts car that had been wrecked could make it worthwhile.

Of course, that's for gearheads like us. For somebody wanting to buy a car
to actually *drive* sometime soon, I doubt $1300 is the price we would
expect to pay.

Mike




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