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Honda Civic SI Concept Information
If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's the MAY issue. The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to the article). -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... > > If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. > > Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any > magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com > > There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's > the MAY issue. > > The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has > 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to > the article). Are you sure those are the correct dates? November 2006 is when we would usually expect to see the 2007 model. Is this actually a 2007 model? Or a 2006 coming out in November 2005? |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... > > If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. > > Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any > magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com > > There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's > the MAY issue. > > The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has > 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to > the article). Are you sure those are the correct dates? November 2006 is when we would usually expect to see the 2007 model. Is this actually a 2007 model? Or a 2006 coming out in November 2005? |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
Higher horsepower will translate into poorer fuel economy. I think for the
moment at least the muscle car era could be temporarily on hold. In article <zUj7e.1193$051.826@news02.roc.ny> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> writes: >"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... >> >> If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. >> >> Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any >> magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com >> >> There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's >> the MAY issue. >> >> The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has >> 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to >> the article). > >Are you sure those are the correct dates? November 2006 is when we would >usually expect to see the 2007 model. > >Is this actually a 2007 model? Or a 2006 coming out in November 2005? |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
Higher horsepower will translate into poorer fuel economy. I think for the
moment at least the muscle car era could be temporarily on hold. In article <zUj7e.1193$051.826@news02.roc.ny> "Seth" <seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> writes: >"Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message >news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... >> >> If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. >> >> Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any >> magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com >> >> There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's >> the MAY issue. >> >> The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has >> 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to >> the article). > >Are you sure those are the correct dates? November 2006 is when we would >usually expect to see the 2007 model. > >Is this actually a 2007 model? Or a 2006 coming out in November 2005? |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"Bubba" <wdg@[204.52.135.1]> wrote in message
news:1vir51ts415j1tk7lsua42evsife2p844u@4ax.com... > Higher horsepower will translate into poorer fuel economy. I think for the > moment at least the muscle car era could be temporarily on hold. > I think that's pretty likely. The money people - the futures investors - believe we are in he opening stages of what they are calling a "superspike." Demand for oil is expected to rise rapidly as auto ownership soars in India and China, leading to prices as high as $100 per barrel for crude. Sales of SUVs are already tumbling. Add to this the advent of hybrids, which separate the issues of fuel economy and acceleration performance (like Honda's DualNote 2001 concept car), and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The new muscle cars will be hybrids. Mike |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"Bubba" <wdg@[204.52.135.1]> wrote in message
news:1vir51ts415j1tk7lsua42evsife2p844u@4ax.com... > Higher horsepower will translate into poorer fuel economy. I think for the > moment at least the muscle car era could be temporarily on hold. > I think that's pretty likely. The money people - the futures investors - believe we are in he opening stages of what they are calling a "superspike." Demand for oil is expected to rise rapidly as auto ownership soars in India and China, leading to prices as high as $100 per barrel for crude. Sales of SUVs are already tumbling. Add to this the advent of hybrids, which separate the issues of fuel economy and acceleration performance (like Honda's DualNote 2001 concept car), and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The new muscle cars will be hybrids. Mike |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
In article <zUj7e.1193$051.826@news02.roc.ny>, "Seth"
<seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... > > > > If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. > > > > Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any > > magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com > > > > There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's > > the MAY issue. > > > > The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has > > 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to > > the article). > > Are you sure those are the correct dates? You are right--I made a mistake. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2005. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
In article <zUj7e.1193$051.826@news02.roc.ny>, "Seth"
<seth_lermanNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote: > "Jason" <jason@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:jason-1304051747050001@pm4-broad-49.snlo.dialup.fix.net... > > > > If you were planning on buying a new Civic--WAIT. > > > > Buy the latest issue of "Honda Tuning" magazine. You can buy a copy at any > > magazine store. www.hondatuningmagzine.com > > > > There is picture of the concept car mentioned above in the magazine. It's > > the MAY issue. > > > > The article says that the new Civic will have 200 HP. My Accord only has > > 150 HP. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2006 (according to > > the article). > > Are you sure those are the correct dates? You are right--I made a mistake. The 2006 Civics will be for sale in November, 2005. -- NEWSGROUP SUBSCRIBERS MOTTO We respect those subscribers that ask for advice or provide advice. We do NOT respect the subscribers that enjoy criticizing people. |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
Michael Pardee wrote:
| and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The | new muscle cars will be hybrids. That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
Michael Pardee wrote:
| and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The | new muscle cars will be hybrids. That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"tomb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:uto7e.2234$t85.53@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com. .. > Michael Pardee wrote: > | and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably > | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The > | new muscle cars will be hybrids. > > That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. > > a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) homo |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"tomb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:uto7e.2234$t85.53@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com. .. > Michael Pardee wrote: > | and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably > | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The > | new muscle cars will be hybrids. > > That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. > > a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) homo |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"tomb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:uto7e.2234$t85.53@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com. .. > Michael Pardee wrote: > | and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably > | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The > | new muscle cars will be hybrids. > > That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. > > a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) > > I'm a conservative myself, and a skeptic of the Hubbert curve. (The "superspike" doesn't fit the curve at all.) I also feel it is just as well we haven't been conserving gasoline up to this point, because conserving a resource that is limited by production (as oil is in the contemporary sense) during times of plenty has the same effect as wasting it does during times of shortage. Because of the free-spending usage in our past we have room to conserve now. We have been using petroleum for fuel because it has been the cheapest and most plentiful fuel available. But we are clearly entering a watershed time. The problem is not that we are "running out of oil" - we've been doing that since the first barrel was pumped, and no amount of conservation will change the end of this path, only the rate. But world-wide demand will put rapidly rising pressure on production for probably a generation... maybe more. Production will inevitably increase (in complete defiance of Hubbert) but the economics and politics surrounding the increase won't be pretty. In 2002 my wife and I saw that whatever was going to happen to gas prices it wasn't going to be good. Gasoline was about $1.50 per gallon and the price was becoming unstable. We did the research and decided on our second new car in 30 years: a Toyota Prius. On newsgroups people were scoffing at the idea of ever recovering the premium over the equivalent Corolla by saving 40% of $1.50 gasoline. But the car we traded in (a Nissan 300ZX) got 20 mpg and the Prius gets 45-50 mpg, so gas prices have to rise to about $3.50 before we pay as much for gas as we did then. The effect is to make gas prices unimportant to our household and vacation budgets. I have been a proponent of hybridization since I heard about it around 20 years ago. It is only now becoming ready for prime time. The concept of using a 200 hp engine to drag a 5 passenger car around town or to cruise at freeway speeds is ludicrous. Sizing the engine for freeway hill climbs and using electric drive for the low power needs and to provide acceleration is a lot smarter. Mike |
Re: Honda Civic SI Concept Information
"tomb" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:uto7e.2234$t85.53@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com. .. > Michael Pardee wrote: > | and the era of cars with 200 hp engines is probably > | coming to a permanent end. They are simply becoming obsolete. The > | new muscle cars will be hybrids. > > That's right, about friggin' time we came to our senses. > > a Tree Hugger (driving an old Civic when I drive) > > I'm a conservative myself, and a skeptic of the Hubbert curve. (The "superspike" doesn't fit the curve at all.) I also feel it is just as well we haven't been conserving gasoline up to this point, because conserving a resource that is limited by production (as oil is in the contemporary sense) during times of plenty has the same effect as wasting it does during times of shortage. Because of the free-spending usage in our past we have room to conserve now. We have been using petroleum for fuel because it has been the cheapest and most plentiful fuel available. But we are clearly entering a watershed time. The problem is not that we are "running out of oil" - we've been doing that since the first barrel was pumped, and no amount of conservation will change the end of this path, only the rate. But world-wide demand will put rapidly rising pressure on production for probably a generation... maybe more. Production will inevitably increase (in complete defiance of Hubbert) but the economics and politics surrounding the increase won't be pretty. In 2002 my wife and I saw that whatever was going to happen to gas prices it wasn't going to be good. Gasoline was about $1.50 per gallon and the price was becoming unstable. We did the research and decided on our second new car in 30 years: a Toyota Prius. On newsgroups people were scoffing at the idea of ever recovering the premium over the equivalent Corolla by saving 40% of $1.50 gasoline. But the car we traded in (a Nissan 300ZX) got 20 mpg and the Prius gets 45-50 mpg, so gas prices have to rise to about $3.50 before we pay as much for gas as we did then. The effect is to make gas prices unimportant to our household and vacation budgets. I have been a proponent of hybridization since I heard about it around 20 years ago. It is only now becoming ready for prime time. The concept of using a 200 hp engine to drag a 5 passenger car around town or to cruise at freeway speeds is ludicrous. Sizing the engine for freeway hill climbs and using electric drive for the low power needs and to provide acceleration is a lot smarter. Mike |
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